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    The Washington Post: The Muslim Brotherhood

    [QUOTE]Democracy supporters should not fear the Muslim Brotherhood

    By Abdel Moneim Abou el-Fotouh
    Wednesday, February 9, 2011

    Like Egyptians from all walks of life, we in the Muslim Brotherhood are taking part in the popular uprising to depose a repressive dictator. The overwhelming majority of Egyptians demand the immediate ouster of Hosni Mubarak and his regime.

    Once this basic demand is met, we seek to share in the debate sweeping the country and to be part of the resolution, which we hope will culminate in a democratic form of government. Egyptians want freedom from tyranny, a democratic process and an all-inclusive dialogue to determine our national goals and our future, free of foreign intervention.

    We are mindful, however, as a nonviolent Islamic movement subjected to six decades of repression, that patent falsehoods, fear mongering and propaganda have been concocted against us in Mubarak's palaces the past 30 years and by some of his patrons in Washington. Lest partisan interests in the United States succeed in aborting Egypt's popular revolution, we are compelled to unequivocally deny any attempt to usurp the will of the people. Nor do we plan to surreptitiously dominate a post-Mubarak government. The Brotherhood has already decided not to field a candidate for president in any forthcoming elections. We want to set the record straight so that any Middle East policy decisions made in Washington are based on facts and not the shameful - and racist - agendas of Islamophobes.

    Contrary to fear-mongering reports, the West and the Muslim Brotherhood are not enemies. It is a false dichotomy to posit, as some alarmists are suggesting, that Egypt's choices are either the status quo of the Mubarak regime or a takeover by "Islamic extremists." First, one must make a distinction between the ideological and political differences that the Brotherhood may have with the United States. For Muslims, ideological differences with others are taught not to be the root cause of violence and bloodshed because a human being's freedom to decide how to lead his or her personal life is an inviolable right found in basic Islamic tenets, as well as Western tradition. Political differences, however, can be a matter of existential threats and interests, and we have seen this play out, for example, in the way the Mubarak regime has violently responded to peaceful demonstrators.

    We fully understand that the United States has political interests in Egypt. But does the United States understand that the sovereign state of Egypt, with its 80 million people, has its own interests? Whatever the U.S. interests are in Egypt, they cannot trump Egyptian needs or subvert the will of the people without consequences. Such egotism is a recipe for disaster. With a little altruism, the United States should not hesitate to reassess its interests in the region, especially if it genuinely champions democracy and is sincere about achieving peace in the Middle East.

    Looking forward, the Brotherhood is just one group among a diverse array of growing political factions and trends in Egypt, soon to compete with mutual respect in fair and free elections. We have participated in the "political process" such as it was under Mubarak's dictatorship. In the decades of his rule, we have embraced diversity and democratic values. In keeping with Egypt's pluralistic society, we have demonstrated moderation in our agenda and have responsibly carried out our duties to our electoral base and Egyptians at large.

    Our track record of responsibility and moderation is a hallmark of our political credentials, and we will build on it. For instance, it is our position that any future government we may be a part of will respect all treaty obligations made in accordance with the interests of the Egyptian people.

    Because we are an Islamic movement and the vast majority of Egypt is Muslim, some will raise the issue of sharia law. While this is not on anyone's immediate agenda, it is instructive to note that the concept of governance based on sharia is not a theocracy for Sunnis since we have no centralized clergy in Islam. For us, Islam is a way of life adhered to by one-fifth of the world's population. Sharia is a means whereby justice is implemented, life is nurtured, the common welfare is provided for, and liberty and property are safeguarded. In any event, any transition to a sharia-based system will have to garner a consensus in Egyptian society.

    The people of Egypt will decide their representatives, their form of democratic government and the role of Islam in their lives. For now, as we verge on national liberation from tyranny, Egyptians in Tahrir "Freedom" Square and all over the country are hoping Americans will stand by them in this crucial hour.

    Abdel Moneim Abou el-Fotouh, the author of "A Witness to the History of Egypt's Islamic Movement," is secretary general of the Arab Medical Union and a member of the Muslim Brotherhood. He served on the group's guidance council for 25 years. [/QUOTE]

    Seems relveant to current events.

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    I have read some internet articles on the Brotherhood, they don't seem to be as extreme as some portray them to be (Hannity) in fact Bin Laden broke with the group over a decade because of their peaceful stance. We will have to wait and see!

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    From Wikipedia...

    [I]The Scorpion and the Frog [/I]is a fable of unknown author, attributed to various West African and European folktales, and often misidentified with Aesop's Fables, although only variants appear therein.

    The story is about a scorpion asking a frog to carry him across a river. The frog is afraid of being stung, but the scorpion reassures him that if it stung, the frog would sink and the scorpion would drown as well. The frog then agrees; nevertheless, in mid-river, the scorpion stings him, dooming them both.

    When asked why, the scorpion explains, "I'm a scorpion; it's my nature."



    The fable's premise is the basis of the plot of the [I]Star Trek: Voyager[/I] episode "Scorpion", in which Chakotay describes the fable to Captain Janeway as a warning not to trust the Borg. A fox is substituted for the frog.

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    There are A LOT worse groups that can take hold of Egypt than the Muslim Brotherhood.... a lot

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    [QUOTE=FreshBaked 24 7;3956720]There are A LOT worse groups that can take hold of Egypt than the Muslim Brotherhood.... a lot[/QUOTE]

    That's not saying much...these folks aren't exactly a freedom-democracy- woman's rights loving type of group.

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    A Muslim brother from the 'hood favoring the Muslim Brotherhood-
    [B][I]quelle surprise[/I][/B]

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    [QUOTE=PatriotReign;3956790]That's not saying much...these folks aren't exactly a freedom-democracy- woman's rights loving type of group.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah but they arn't a bomb the US/war with Israel kinda group either, I could give two f*cks about anything else, and if a strong constitution is placed that makes them a true democracy it won't matter

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    [QUOTE=FreshBaked 24 7;3956863]Yeah but they arn't a bomb the US/war with Israel kinda group either,[/QUOTE]

    Actually, they are. :erm:

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    [QUOTE=quantum;3957423]Actually, they are. :erm:[/QUOTE]

    When have they ever been violent? They've been apart of the egyptian government, the same government that was our "ally" for all these years and not one violent act

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    According to our Director of National Intelligence, testifying before Congress:

    "The term 'Muslim Brotherhood' ... is an umbrella term for a variety of movements, in the case of Egypt, a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and has decried Al Qaeda as a perversion of Islam," Clapper said.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;3957449]According to our Director of National Intelligence, testifying before Congress:

    "The term 'Muslim Brotherhood' ... is an umbrella term for a variety of movements, in the case of Egypt, a very heterogeneous group, largely secular, which has eschewed violence and has decried Al Qaeda as a perversion of Islam," Clapper said.[/QUOTE]

    When people complain and scream "Well if extremism and fringe groups aren't the real voice of Islam then where is that 'large moderate' group we always hear about speaking out against them?!?!?!" It's referred to the Muslim Brotherhood, they're the moderate group we've been waiting for to grow some teeth and stand up.

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    [QUOTE=FreshBaked 24 7;3957460]the Muslim Brotherhood, they're the moderate group we've been waiting for.[/QUOTE]

    We'll see, won't we?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;3957491]We'll see, won't we?[/QUOTE]

    Well yeah of course, anything can happen for better or worse, I'm just commenting that things could be a lot worse. The fact that the 18 days of protest were both popular and peaceful is enough to be a tiny bit optimistic... but it's never that simple in the middle east

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    For the uninformed out there, and you know who you are, just a few
    tidbits:

    MB are unindicted co-conspirators to terror along with ISNA CAIR and
    other cult front groups.
    Hamas is a wing of MB.
    MB has always been linked to murder and tyranny.
    Their credo is ďAllah is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; [COLOR=black]Jihad [/COLOR]is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;3958458]Allah is our objective; the Quran is our constitution, the Prophet is our leader; Jihad is our way; and death for the sake of Allah is the highest of our aspirations."[/QUOTE]

    I've heard exactly this, a hundred times, on the radio.

    What the source for this claim? Just curious, I have to assume it's their own website, right?

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