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    Defector admits WMDs in Iraq was a Lie (UK Guardian)

    Posted: Tue Feb 15, 2011 5:16 pm Post subject: Defector admits WMDs in Iraq was a lie

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011...-lies-iraq-war

    The defector who convinced the White House that Iraq had a secret biological weapons programme has admitted for the first time that he lied about his story, then watched in shock as it was used to justify the war.

    Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, codenamed Curveball by German and American intelligence officials who dealt with his claims, has told the Guardian that he fabricated tales of mobile bioweapons trucks and clandestine factories in an attempt to bring down the Saddam Hussein regime, from which he had fled in 1995.

    "Maybe I was right, maybe I was not right," he said. "They gave me this chance. I had the chance to fabricate something to topple the regime. I and my sons are proud of that and we are proud that we were the reason to give Iraq the margin of democracy."

    The admission comes just after the eighth anniversary of Colin Powell's speech to the United Nations in which the then-US secretary of state relied heavily on lies that Janabi had told the German secret service, the BND. It also follows the release of former defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld's memoirs, in which he admitted Iraq had no weapons of mass destruction programme.

    The careers of both men were seriously damaged by their use of Janabi's claims, which he now says could have been – and were – discredited well before Powell's landmark speech to the UN on 5 February 2003.

    The former CIA chief in Europe Tyler Drumheller describes Janabi's admission as "fascinating", and said the emergence of the truth "makes me feel better". "I think there are still a number of people who still thought there was something in that. Even now," said Drumheller.

    In the only other at length interview Janabi has given he denied all knowledge of his supposed role in helping the US build a case for invading Saddam's Iraq.

    In a series of meetings with the Guardian in Germany where he has been granted asylum, he said he had told a German official, who he identified as Dr Paul, about mobile bioweapons trucks throughout 2000. He said the BND had identified him as a Baghdad-trained chemical engineer and approached him shortly after 13 March of that year, looking for inside information about Saddam's Iraq.

    "I had a problem with the Saddam regime," he said. "I wanted to get rid of him and now I had this chance."

    He portrays the BND as gullible and so eager to tease details from him that they gave him a Perry's Chemical Engineering Handbook to help communicate. He still has the book in his small, rented flat in Karlsruhe, south-west Germany.

    "They were asking me about pumps for filtration, how to make detergent after the reaction," he said. "Any engineer who studied in this field can explain or answer any question they asked."

    Janabi claimed he was first exposed as a liar as early as mid-2000, when the BND travelled to a Gulf city, believed to be Dubai, to speak with his former boss at the Military Industries Commission in Iraq, Dr Bassil Latif.

    The Guardian has learned separately that British intelligence officials were at that meeting, investigating a claim made by Janabi that Latif's son, who was studying in Britain, was procuring weapons for Saddam.

    That claim was proven false, and Latif strongly denied Janabi's claim of mobile bioweapons trucks and another allegation that 12 people had died during an accident at a secret bioweapons facility in south-east Baghdad.

    The German officials returned to confront him with Latif's version. "He says, 'There are no trucks,' and I say, 'OK, when [Latif says] there no trucks then [there are none],'" Janabi recalled.

    He said the BND did not contact him again until the end of May 2002. But he said it soon became clear that he was still being taken seriously.

    He claimed the officials gave him an incentive to speak by implying that his then pregnant Moroccan-born wife may not be able to travel from Spain to join him in Germany if he did not co-operate with them. "He says, you work with us or your wife and child go to Morocco."

    The meetings continued throughout 2002 and it became apparent to Janabi that a case for war was being constructed. He said he was not asked again about the bioweapons trucks until a month before Powell's speech.

    After the speech, Janabi said he called his handler at the BND and accused the secret service of breaking an agreement that they would not share anything he had told them with another country. He said he was told not to speak and placed in confinement for around 90 days.

    With the US now leaving Iraq, Janabi said he was comfortable with what he did, despite the chaos of the past eight years and the civilian death toll in Iraq, which stands at more than 100,000.

    "I tell you something when I hear anybody – not just in Iraq but in any war – [is] killed, I am very sad. But give me another solution. Can you give me another solution?

    "Believe me, there was no other way to bring about freedom to Iraq. There were no other possibilities."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    So...
    He owes us about 50 billion dollars.




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    Quote Originally Posted by 32green View Post
    He owes us about 50 billion dollars.




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    Dicky C and Wolfy will rise up and take responsiblity.

    Sadly we have over 4000 dead soldiers and tens of thousands wounded thanks to Iraq, money who needs money?

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    Well that's something.

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    ...and now you know why we shouldn't trust Republicans with much of anything. They're naive and stupid...

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    This is about as shocking as when Ricky Martin came out

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32green View Post
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    and then a hearfelt phone call to the families of the soldiers who never came back.

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    Send Bush and Cheney to jail

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Freedom is on the march. Open arms. Cakewalk. 6 weeks. Stand up, stand down. Do the hokey pokey. Turn yourself around.

    That's what it's all.




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    ...and now you know why we shouldn't trust Republicans with much of anything. They're naive and stupid...
    Arrghh!!!! Republican!!! WHARGLE!!! WHARGLE!!!!


    Arrghh!!!! Conservative!!! WHARGLE!!! WHARGLE!!!!

    Arrgh!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    Send Bush and Cheney to jail
    and let george "slam dunk" tenet remain free....

    The defector, Rafid Ahmed Alwan al-Janabi, who was code-named “Curveball” by the Central Intelligence Agency and German intelligence officials, told the British newspaper The Guardian on Tuesday that he had concocted his tale that Iraq was hiding mobile bioweapons laboratories. He did so, he said, in hopes that his lies would lead to the eventual overthrow of the Iraqi ruler.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/16/wo...ball.html?_r=2

    another shining moment for the CIA/FBI.....

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    While I am a big believer in the Trust but Verify philosophy, I refuse to engage in a lot of second guessing. Saddam was a crazed killer in a dark alley with his finger in his pocket pointing it at us like it was a gun. What were we supposed to do? Wait to see if he fired to find out if he really had a gun?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SONNY WERBLIN View Post
    While I am a big believer in the Trust but Verify philosophy, I refuse to engage in a lot of second guessing. Saddam was a crazed killer in a dark alley with his finger in his pocket pointing it at us like it was a gun. What were we supposed to do? Wait to see if he fired to find out if he really had a gun?
    I would hope our commander and chief would be a little bit more sure about what he's doing when he puts our men and women in harms way.
    Last edited by Tyler Durden; 02-16-2011 at 10:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    I would hope our commander and chief would be a little bit more sure about what's doing when he puts our men and women in harms way.
    That is a valid point of view, but certainty is weighed against risks and hindsight is 20/20. IMO far too many people ignore the risks, like smallpox, which were on the table at the time.

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    Saddam Hussein was the weapon of mass destruction. They should have chopped that coksuker up into little pieces.

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    It should also be reminded, that Iraq/Saddam DID have many WMD's.

    Chemical and Biological.

    With that said, it remains dissapointing that the claimed reason (Nuke WMD's) either never existed, or were easily removed across the borders. No matter how you slice it, it's a black eye for the U.S. intelligences services, right up through U.S. leadership at the time.

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    What are they going to say about this war in the history books? Obviously 9/11 led the U.S. into Afghanistan, Saddam invading Kuwait led to the first Gulf War...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    What are they going to say about this war in the history books? Obviously 9/11 led the U.S. into Afghanistan, Saddam invading Kuwait led to the first Gulf War...
    Probably that it was launched for bad/inaccurate causes, but toppled a clearly "bad" tyrant, and (hopefully) resulted in some good things long term for the People of Iraq.

    Thats really all we can hope for at this point, that despite the fact that the intel/cause may have been severely flawed, that the ends result (a free, democratic Iraq, we hope) turns out to have been worth the costs.

    Hard to be that optimisitic, of course, all things considered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    What are they going to say about this war in the history books? Obviously 9/11 led the U.S. into Afghanistan, Saddam invading Kuwait led to the first Gulf War...
    Other than WWII very few wars have clear justification. What do the history books say about WWI, Korea, Vietnam, the Mexican/American War, etc? And while 9/11 led to Afghanistan, why have we remained there after removing the Taliban and chasing the terrorists into Paksitan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    What are they going to say about this war in the history books? Obviously 9/11 led the U.S. into Afghanistan, Saddam invading Kuwait led to the first Gulf War...
    See: Nam, Viet

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    It should also be reminded, that Iraq/Saddam DID have many WMD's.

    Chemical and Biological.
    We could've just checked our receipts then:

    Quote Originally Posted by Robert Novak
    An eight-year-old Senate report confirms that disease-producing and poisonous materials were exported, under U.S. government license, to Iraq from 1985 to 1988 during the Iran-Iraq war. Furthermore, the report adds, the American-exported materials were identical to microorganisms destroyed by United Nations inspectors after the Gulf War. The shipments were approved despite allegations that Saddam used biological weapons against Kurdish rebels and (according to the current official U.S. position) initiated war with Iran



    We'll just chalk it up to......er.......job security?

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