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    Mods, please do not merge. This AP story just broke 24 minutes ago and should be an eye opener for the people that believed the governor wanted to strip collective bargaining from the unions.....in order to balance the budget.

    Wisconsin gov. pranked by caller posing as donor
    By RYAN J. FOLEY, Associated Press
    24 mins ago

    .MADISON, Wis. A prank caller pretending to be billionaire conservative businessman David Koch was able to have a lengthy conversation with Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker about his strategy to cripple public employee unions, the governor's office confirmed Wednesday.

    On the call, Walker joked about bringing a baseball bat to a meeting with Democratic leaders, said it would "be outstanding" to be flown out to California by Koch for a good time after the battle is over, and said he expected the anti-union movement to spread across the country.

    Audio was posted on the Buffalo Beast, a left-leaning website based in New York, and quickly spread across the Internet.

    Democrats ripped Walker's comments on the call on the Assembly floor Wednesday morning, saying they had nothing to do with his assertion that legislation stripping public employees' collective bargaining rights is needed to help solve a looming budget deficit.

    "That's why we must fight it! That is why people must come to the Capitol and fight this!" Rep. Jon Richards of Milwaukee yelled as thousands of protesters inside the rotunda roared in approval. "This isn't about balancing the budget, this is about a political war."

    Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie confirmed Walker took the call, which will only heighten widespread suspicions that brothers David and Charles Koch are pulling strings in Wisconsin's battle as part of a conservative agenda to limit the unions' power.

    The governor's plan would take away the ability of state and local public employees to collectively bargain for working conditions, benefits, or any other than their base salaries. Unions could not collect mandatory dues and would face a vote of its members every year to stay in existence.

    The plan has set off more than a week of demonstrations at the Capitol, and prompted Wisconsin Senate Democrats to flee the state to block its passage. Similar ideas are being pushed in some other states with Republican governors.

    The man pretending to be Koch said, "You're the first domino."

    "Yep, this is our moment," Walker said.

    The brothers own Koch Industries, Inc., which is the largest privately-owned company in America and has significant operations in Wisconsin. Its political action committee gave $43,000 to Walker's campaign, and donated heavily to the Republican Governors' Association, which funded ads attacking Walker's opponent in last year's election.


    The Kochs also give millions to support Americans For Prosperity, which launched a $320,000 television ad campaign in favor of Walker's legislation on Wednesday and already has a website, standwithwalker.com, where more than 60,000 have signed a petition supporting his plan.

    On the call, Walker talks about speaking with Democratic Sen. Tim Cullen, one of the Democrats hiding in Illinois to stop the bill, and telling Cullen he would not budge. After Walker said he would be willing to meet with Democratic leaders, the caller said he would bring "a baseball bat." Walker laughed and responded that he had "a slugger with my name on it."

    The caller suggested he was thinking about "planting some troublemakers" among the protesters, and Walker said he had thought about doing that but declined. Walker said the protests eventually would die because the media would stop covering them.

    At the end of the call, the prankster says: "I'll tell you what Scott, once you crush these bastards, I'll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time."

    "Alright, that would be outstanding. Thanks for all the support and helping us move the cause forward. We appreciate it and we're doing the just and right thing for the right reasons and it's all about getting our freedoms back," Walker said.

    The caller: "Absolutely. And you know, we have a little bit of vested interest as well" and laughs.


    "That's just it. The bottom line is, we're going to get the world movement here because it's the right thing to do."

    Walker ends the call by saying, "thanks a million."


    Cullen called the call an "astounding confirmation of what we've been saying for a couple weeks now."

    "This bill is about the money," he said. "This bill is about destroying public employee unions."

    Cullen said he felt the call "displays a level of partisanship and pettiness on the side of the governor I don't think is going to sit well with the public."

    Werwie, the governor's spokesman, said the phone call "shows that the governor says the same thing in private as he does in public and the lengths that others will go to disrupt the civil debate Wisconsin is having."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110223/...t_unions/print
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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    Mods, please do not merge. This AP story just broke 24 minutes ago and should be an eye opener for the people that believed the governor wanted to strip collective bargaining from the unions.....in order to balance the budget.

    Wisconsin gov. pranked by caller posing as donor
    By RYAN J. FOLEY, Associated Press
    24 mins ago

    .MADISON, Wis. A prank caller pretending to be billionaire conservative businessman David Koch was able to have a lengthy conversation with Wisconsin Gov. Scott Walker about his strategy to cripple public employee unions, the governor's office confirmed Wednesday.

    On the call, Walker joked about bringing a baseball bat to a meeting with Democratic leaders, said it would "be outstanding" to be flown out to California by Koch for a good time after the battle is over, and said he expected the anti-union movement to spread across the country.

    Audio was posted on the Buffalo Beast, a left-leaning website based in New York, and quickly spread across the Internet.

    Democrats ripped Walker's comments on the call on the Assembly floor Wednesday morning, saying they had nothing to do with his assertion that legislation stripping public employees' collective bargaining rights is needed to help solve a looming budget deficit.

    "That's why we must fight it! That is why people must come to the Capitol and fight this!" Rep. Jon Richards of Milwaukee yelled as thousands of protesters inside the rotunda roared in approval. "This isn't about balancing the budget, this is about a political war."

    Walker spokesman Cullen Werwie confirmed Walker took the call, which will only heighten widespread suspicions that brothers David and Charles Koch are pulling strings in Wisconsin's battle as part of a conservative agenda to limit the unions' power.

    The governor's plan would take away the ability of state and local public employees to collectively bargain for working conditions, benefits, or any other than their base salaries. Unions could not collect mandatory dues and would face a vote of its members every year to stay in existence.

    The plan has set off more than a week of demonstrations at the Capitol, and prompted Wisconsin Senate Democrats to flee the state to block its passage. Similar ideas are being pushed in some other states with Republican governors.

    The man pretending to be Koch said, "You're the first domino."

    "Yep, this is our moment," Walker said.

    The brothers own Koch Industries, Inc., which is the largest privately-owned company in America and has significant operations in Wisconsin. Its political action committee gave $43,000 to Walker's campaign, and donated heavily to the Republican Governors' Association, which funded ads attacking Walker's opponent in last year's election.


    The Kochs also give millions to support Americans For Prosperity, which launched a $320,000 television ad campaign in favor of Walker's legislation on Wednesday and already has a website, standwithwalker.com, where more than 60,000 have signed a petition supporting his plan.

    On the call, Walker talks about speaking with Democratic Sen. Tim Cullen, one of the Democrats hiding in Illinois to stop the bill, and telling Cullen he would not budge. After Walker said he would be willing to meet with Democratic leaders, the caller said he would bring "a baseball bat." Walker laughed and responded that he had "a slugger with my name on it."

    The caller suggested he was thinking about "planting some troublemakers" among the protesters, and Walker said he had thought about doing that but declined. Walker said the protests eventually would die because the media would stop covering them.

    At the end of the call, the prankster says: "I'll tell you what Scott, once you crush these bastards, I'll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time."

    "Alright, that would be outstanding. Thanks for all the support and helping us move the cause forward. We appreciate it and we're doing the just and right thing for the right reasons and it's all about getting our freedoms back," Walker said.

    The caller: "Absolutely. And you know, we have a little bit of vested interest as well" and laughs.


    "That's just it. The bottom line is, we're going to get the world movement here because it's the right thing to do."

    Walker ends the call by saying, "thanks a million."


    Cullen called the call an "astounding confirmation of what we've been saying for a couple weeks now."

    "This bill is about the money," he said. "This bill is about destroying public employee unions."

    Cullen said he felt the call "displays a level of partisanship and pettiness on the side of the governor I don't think is going to sit well with the public."

    Werwie, the governor's spokesman, said the phone call "shows that the governor says the same thing in private as he does in public and the lengths that others will go to disrupt the civil debate Wisconsin is having."

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110223/...t_unions/print
    lol- so what??

    Walker was offered a vacation after this is over and he responded "outstanding"??

    what about the dims that have hightailed it out of town for their vacation the past week?? or the teachers that are on "sick leave" protesting???

    as far as a "political agenda" - is that a surprise?? are you going to sit here and claim the dims who left town, the unions, the teachers or ayatollah obama himself do not have a "political agenda" in this or have not shown their political agenda???

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    I don't see anything in this at all? Makes him look like he's totally doing this on principles he believes in and was elected to do. All he really said was it's the right thing to do. Sounds like a fail by the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Come Back to NY View Post
    lol- so what??

    Walker was offered a vacation after this is over and he responded "outstanding"??

    what about the dims that have hightailed it out of town for their vacation the past week?? or the teachers that are on "sick leave" protesting???

    as far as a "political agenda" - is that a surprise?? are you going to sit here and claim the dims who left town, the unions, the teachers or ayatollah obama himself do not have a "political agenda" in this or have not shown their political agenda???


    Just substitute a (D) next to the governor's name and you will see why its troubling. The point is not 'gee, other people do it so its okay'....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    I don't see anything in this at all? Makes him look like he's totally doing this on principles he believes in and was elected to do. All he really said was it's the right thing to do. Sounds like a fail by the left.
    really

    The caller suggested he was thinking about "planting some troublemakers" among the protesters, and Walker said he had thought about doing that but declined. Walker said the protests eventually would die because the media would stop covering them.

    At the end of the call, the prankster says: "I'll tell you what Scott, once you crush these bastards, I'll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time."

    "Alright, that would be outstanding. Thanks for all the support and helping us move the cause forward. We appreciate it and we're doing the just and right thing for the right reasons and it's all about getting our freedoms back," Walker said.

    The caller: "Absolutely. And you know, we have a little bit of vested interest as well" and laughs.

    "That's just it. The bottom line is, we're going to get the world movement here because it's the right thing to do."

    Walker ends the call by saying, "thanks a million."

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    if the billionaire were Soros instead of Koch and the governor was a D instead of R people would be crazy mad around here.

    there is no difference between these two parties. We fight like cats and dogs but really let's be honest... a billion dollars gets you an instant audience with any one of these hookers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by intelligentjetsfan View Post
    really

    The caller suggested he was thinking about "planting some troublemakers" among the protesters, and Walker said he had thought about doing that but declined. Walker said the protests eventually would die because the media would stop covering them.

    At the end of the call, the prankster says: "I'll tell you what Scott, once you crush these bastards, I'll fly you out to Cali and really show you a good time."

    "Alright, that would be outstanding. Thanks for all the support and helping us move the cause forward. We appreciate it and we're doing the just and right thing for the right reasons and it's all about getting our freedoms back," Walker said.

    The caller: "Absolutely. And you know, we have a little bit of vested interest as well" and laughs.

    "That's just it. The bottom line is, we're going to get the world movement here because it's the right thing to do."

    Walker ends the call by saying, "thanks a million."
    I don't see anything wrong with his response, nothing.

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    Walker compared his stand to that taken by President Ronald Reagan when he fired the nation's air-traffic controllers during a labor dispute in 1981.

    "That was the first crack in the Berlin Wall and led to the fall of the Soviets," Walker said on the recording.

    -http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

    I actually agree with Walkers ultimate goal of busting unions for state employees but the things he says and his logic are just asinine at times and show how deluded conservatives really are. Reagan firing the air traffic controllers led to the end of the Soviet Union? Really? What kind of right-wing retard history lesson is that?

    I thought the inherent flaws of communism toppled the Soviet Union (really it just transformed it into a dictatorial oligarchy) but I guess it was Reagan making speeches and firing air traffic controllers.

    The planting troublemakers in the pro-union crowds thing cracks me up. Hes a turd. I agree with him on this one issue but he is otherwise a total clown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TerminatorJet View Post
    Walker compared his stand to that taken by President Ronald Reagan when he fired the nation's air-traffic controllers during a labor dispute in 1981.

    "That was the first crack in the Berlin Wall and led to the fall of the Soviets," Walker said on the recording.

    -http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_wisconsin_budget_unions

    I actually agree with Walkers ultimate goal of busting unions for state employees but the things he says and his logic are just asinine at times and show how deluded conservatives really are. Reagan firing the air traffic controllers led to the end of the Soviet Union? Really? What kind of right-wing retard history lesson is that?

    I thought the inherent flaws of communism toppled the Soviet Union (really it just transformed it into a dictatorial oligarchy) but I guess it was Reagan making speeches and firing air traffic controllers.

    The planting troublemakers in the pro-union crowds thing cracks me up. Hes a turd. I agree with him on this one issue but he is otherwise a total clown.
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    when "Koch" offers to fly Walker out to Cali, and show him a good time... that's not entirely legal. Saying "outstanding" is ok but actually doing it constitutes an ethics violation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    I don't see anything wrong with his response, nothing.
    I don't get it either. I think the OP is just drawing the conclusions that he wants to draw (crushing unions is a right-wing conspiracy, etc and so forth).

    This is the platform Walker ran on and this is what he's doing. He's trying his best to right the fiscal sinking ship in Wisconsin. This is not a nationwide movement to destroy unions, give me a break.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    when "Koch" offers to fly Walker out to Cali, and show him a good time... that's not entirely legal.
    Tell me, is calling in to the Governor's Office under false pretences and utilizing a form of identity theft, and then recording that call without the Governor's knowledge or consent, is that legal, do you think?

    Saying "outstanding" is ok but actually doing it constitutes an ethics violation.
    It certainly could be, one would have to check the Wisconsin code to know.

    If nothing else, it makesthe Governor look like a moron for being so easily decieved at this of all times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauliec View Post
    I don't get it either. I think the OP is just drawing the conclusions that he wants to draw (crushing unions is a right-wing conspiracy, etc and so forth).

    This is the platform Walker ran on and this is what he's doing. He's trying his best to right the fiscal sinking ship in Wisconsin. This is not a nationwide movement to destroy unions, give me a break.
    This is CLEARLY about union busting. The unions have already agreed to everything, other than giving up their right to collective bargaining, which Walker DID NOT campaign on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    If nothing else, it makesthe Governor look like a moron for being so easily decieved at this of all times.
    Him and his staff. I doubt there's a direct line to the Governor's office, you probably have to go through an assistant first.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    This is CLEARLY about union busting. The unions have already agreed to everything, other than giving up their right to collective bargaining, which Walker DID NOT campaign on.
    Do you believe it's a nationwide right-wing conspiracy, funded by the nefarious Koch brothers and agreed upon by Republicans across the country?

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    I don't see the Gov doing anything egregious here.

    No secret that he's wants to bust the union, or at least bend them. If that's what you have a problem with then so be it, but it's not like he's sending out thugs to beat up the unions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauliec View Post
    Do you believe it's a nationwide right-wing conspiracy, funded by the nefarious Koch brothers and agreed upon by Republicans across the country?
    I don't think it's a conspiracy, I think it's what they believe, and they for the most part are pretty open about it. Walker has gone too far. He wants his cake and he wants to eat it to. Not even Chris Christie has gone this far, and he won't, he said he wouldn't go after collective bargaining on Morning Joe this morning. The fact is the unions in Wisconsin agreed to Walkers budget demands. He should declare victory. Going after their right to collective bargain is not about Wisconsin's budget, it's about destroying unions. You simply can not not deny that.
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    By the way, just because he campaigned on it (Which Walker DID NOT do when it comes to collective bargaining) does not mean the people should shutup an accept it. Obama campaigned on healthcare reform. He actually campaigned on a public option, which he never got. Did that stop Tea Party from. voicing their opinion?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    By the way, because he campaigned on it (Which Walker DID NOT do when it comes to collective bargaining) means he has free will to do it, is bogus. Obama campaigned on healthcare reform. He actually campaigned on a public option, which he never got. Did that stop Tea Party for voicing their opinion?
    No, but people are acting surprised that they didn't see this coming.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pauliec View Post
    Do you believe it's a nationwide right-wing conspiracy, funded by the nefarious Koch brothers and agreed upon by Republicans across the country?
    Naw. Not a right wing conspiracy.

    But definitely not the "grassroots" movement it's made out to be. It's about as grassroots as a Kos Kiddie convention...

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