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    Campaign Finance Reform

    Would you support reform that banned all fiscal donations for anyone who was not an:

    -Individual, and

    -U.S. Citizen

    -A Resident of the Jurisdiction the Candidate will Represent

    I.e. No Corporate donations. No Union Donations. No group donations. No foreign donations. No donating to politicians in other jurisdictions you have no right to vote for/against.

    In other words, the only way a politician can get a donation, is from an individual person (with a verified social security number and citizenship) living within their represented jurisdiction, and then for a limited maximum (say, $100).

    This reform would not limit any individual persons free speech rights, they could donate to whomever they support the same as every other individual. They could also donate their time and effort for the campaign (action is speech).

    It would eliminate business and it's flipside, unions and non-profits, from directly contributing (churches too), but those groups could still suggest to their members/employees which politicians best represented their interests, and the individuals could choose to donate if they wished.

    Because tbh, until such time as both corporate and union corruption (and lets not lie here, the way it is today, both sides buy their politicians) is ended, the system will continue to favor the big companies and big unions/groups who fund the politicians that win.

    Thoughts? Pro? Con?

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    As a brief PS, if I had total power over all, the above would go hand-in-hand with two other policies:

    1. A End to Business Taxation, which we all know the comsumer pays indirectly, and would eliminat ethe "no taxation without representation" argument.

    2. The implementation of a "Flat" or "Fair" tax system, no exceptions/exclusions (other than the poverty line), via a National Sales Tax or one of the other ideas floated to simply/equalize taxation. States and local jurisdictions would still be free to have ther wn taxation, as today (and you, the taxpayer, free to move if you hated them).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    As a brief PS, if I had total power over all, the above would go hand-in-hand with two other policies:

    1. A End to Business Taxation, which we all know the comsumer pays indirectly, and would eliminat ethe "no taxation without representation" argument.

    2. The implementation of a "Flat" or "Fair" tax system, no exceptions/exclusions (other than the poverty line), via a National Sales Tax or one of the other ideas floated to simply/equalize taxation. States and local jurisdictions would still be free to have ther wn taxation, as today (and you, the taxpayer, free to move if you hated them).
    Wait, so you're looking to become dictator so you can implement true democracy?

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    Im all for it.
    But no politician will ever agree to this and legally i dont think this is possible.

    But for once im 100% in agreement with the Fish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Would you support reform that banned all fiscal donations for anyone who was not an:

    -Individual, and

    -U.S. Citizen

    -A Resident of the Jurisdiction the Candidate will Represent

    I.e. No Corporate donations. No Union Donations. No group donations. No foreign donations. No donating to politicians in other jurisdictions you have no right to vote for/against.

    In other words, the only way a politician can get a donation, is from an individual person (with a verified social security number and citizenship) living within their represented jurisdiction, and then for a limited maximum (say, $100).

    This reform would not limit any individual persons free speech rights, they could donate to whomever they support the same as every other individual. They could also donate their time and effort for the campaign (action is speech).

    It would eliminate business and it's flipside, unions and non-profits, from directly contributing (churches too), but those groups could still suggest to their members/employees which politicians best represented their interests, and the individuals could choose to donate if they wished.

    Because tbh, until such time as both corporate and union corruption (and lets not lie here, the way it is today, both sides buy their politicians) is ended, the system will continue to favor the big companies and big unions/groups who fund the politicians that win.

    Thoughts? Pro? Con?
    Love it. But unfortunately it's a pipe dream.

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    TERM LIMITS

    There is NO REASON for us to have a "political class" of Senators and representatives with Union/COrporate backing that get elected over and over again for decades. This is one of the things that is killing us. These guys stay there too long, and become deaf to their constituents and surrounded by the echo chamber and start to believe that they are actually smart and infallible.

    That crap needs to go.

    Institute term limits, reform campaign financing, institute a flat tax, eliminate lobbying....and while you're at it, a healthy dose of Tort reform as well as an end to "Nation Building" and foreign aid/intervention aside from humanitarian aid would be nice.

    Secure our borders properly, institute a One Year amnesty program for illegals to get registered as part of the system (with a ZERO TOLERANCE to crime) after which if you get caught and are unregistered, you are OUT.

    Pass a balanced budget amendment coupled with making Government Debt to foreign powers ILLEGAL.

    And if we do wage war, we wage it with all the power and fury we can muster as a superpower. And then leave.

    That would be a good start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    ...unions and non-profits, from directly contributing (churches too), but those groups could still suggest to their members/employees which politicians best represented their interests...
    Any non-profit or church that directly or indirectly "suggests" what candidate to vote for should lose their tax free status immediately.

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    Great thread, unfortunately it's all fantasy. The people who will have to enable these policies are the one's directly benefiting from these policies not existing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Great thread, unfortunately it's all fantasy. The people who will have to enable these policies are the one's directly benefiting from these policies not existing.
    Wrong. WE are the people that can enable these kinds of policies.

    How? If we stop letting ourselves be distracted by the constant and purposeful pull back and forth between Dems and Reps. They use each other and they use us. Don't be fooled. You are a sheep. Time to start thinking outside the box. There are viable options, and they're gaining momentum. Get on the bus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kennyo7 View Post
    But for once im 100% in agreement with the Fish
    +2!

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Wrong. WE are the people that can enable these kinds of policies.

    How? If we stop letting ourselves be distracted by the constant and purposeful pull back and forth between Dems and Reps. They use each other and they use us. Don't be fooled. You are a sheep. Time to start thinking outside the box. There are viable options, and they're gaining momentum. Get on the bus.
    I'm willing to support any candidate willing to support the policies War outlined, but where is he/she?

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    Without term limits campaign finance reform is likely to benifit incumbents or those with enough personal wealth to self finance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JetPotato View Post
    Wrong. WE are the people that can enable these kinds of policies.

    How? If we stop letting ourselves be distracted by the constant and purposeful pull back and forth between Dems and Reps. They use each other and they use us. Don't be fooled. You are a sheep. Time to start thinking outside the box. There are viable options, and they're gaining momentum. Get on the bus.
    +100000000000000000000

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    I'm willing to support any candidate willing to support the policies War outlined, but where is he/she?
    You should read Ron Paul's book "The Revolution". Seriously, give it a chance.

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