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    Sen. Gillibrand: U.S. should exit Afghanistan

    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s...exit_afgh.html

    Washington -- U.S. Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand today called for the United States to end its military involvement in Afghanistan and begin withdrawing troops by July 1.

    Gillibrand, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said the prospect for long-term U.S. success in Afghanistan has been "undermined by a corrupt Afghanistan government" and Afghan President Hamid Karzai has proven to be "a very unreliable partner" with the U.S.

    "The bottom line is the United States cannot afford an open-ended war in Afghanistan," Gillibrand said in a conference call with reporters this afternoon.

    She added, "“It is time for Afghanistan to take responsibility for its own security and its own future.”

    Gillibrand made her comments after she heard testimony today from Gen. David Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, who appeared before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

    Petraeus told senators that the Pentagon is open to keeping troops and bases in Afghanistan past 2014 if Karzai agrees.

    During his visit to Capitol Hill, Petraeus told lawmakers that Karzai will likely announce next week which Afghan provinces and districts will be handed back to Afghan government control by the summer.

    Gillibrand said she is an original co-sponsor of a bill authored by Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif.,that would require the U.S. to begin redeploying its troops in Afghanistan by July 1, with completion by 2014.

    The legislation would put the weight of Congress behind a similar proposal made by President Barack Obama to begin drawing down American troops this summer. Gillibrand said the legislation would require Obama to submit a plan to Congress by July 31 for the phased redeployment of U.S. combat forces. The plan would have to include a completion date.

    New York's junior senator said she will also make a formal request for Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton and Defense Secretary Robert Gates to negotiate a strategic redeployment agreement similar to the one used to withdraw U.S. forces from Iraq.

    Over the past decade, American taxpayers have spent a total of $336 billion to pay for the war and provided $11 billion in aid to Afghanistan, according to Gillibrand.

    She said about $124 billion more for the Afghanistan war effort is expected to be approved in the coming months by Congress.

    More than 1,600 troops from New York state, including 98 who live in Central New York, are currently deployed in Afghanistan. Gillibrand visited some of the troops, including those from Fort Drum near Watertown, during a congressional delegation tour of Afghanistan in November.

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    I'm not going to comment on the substance of the suggestion either way; I just want to point out that Gillebrand has repeatedly proven to be an absolute useless twat, good for nothing more than her nose being firmly planted in the ass of Charles Schumer. The fact that anyone would start a thread based on her "position" on anything is absolutely hilarious to me. No offense to the OP intended (seriously), just my opinion and observations as a New York resident.

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    AG has too many minerals, including Lithium (Li) which the next gen battery technology is based upon (Li - Air). Li-Air will replace gasoline as the preferred auto mobile fuel

    With China holding a large and firm hand upon rare-earth minerals and ever squeezing more tightly, we will be in AG for a great deal of time.

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    And Iraq... and Germany ... and Bulgaria... and Italy ... and South Korea ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    AG has too many minerals, including Lithium (Li) which the next gen battery technology is based upon (Li - Air). Li-Air will replace gasoline as the preferred auto mobile fuel

    With China holding a large and firm hand upon rare-earth minerals and ever squeezing more tightly, we will be in AG for a great deal of time.
    And that is the bottom line. $$$$$$$$$$$

    No bed time stories about freedom and democracy. If that was the goal then there would not be a desire to prop up ruthless dictators around the world.

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    No Blood for Batteries.

    I look forward to the Protest "End the Illegal War, No Blood for Batteries" signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    No Blood for Batteries.

    I look forward to the Protest "End the Illegal War, No Blood for Batteries" signs.
    lolz..."no blood for batteries"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    AG has too many minerals, including Lithium (Li) which the next gen battery technology is based upon (Li - Air). Li-Air will replace gasoline as the preferred auto mobile fuel

    With China holding a large and firm hand upon rare-earth minerals and ever squeezing more tightly, we will be in AG for a great deal of time.
    China doesn't hold a firm hand on rare-earth minerals they are the low cost producer. Big difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    China doesn't hold a firm hand on rare-earth minerals they are the low cost producer. Big difference.
    China is the dominant player in REE's



    "China has been increasing hoarding of rare earth minerals, sending costs across a range of industries skyrocketing," said Senators Charles Schumer of New York, Debbie Stabenow of Michigan, Robert Casey of Pennsylvania, and Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island.

    In a letter sent to Secretaries Geithner and Salazar Tuesday, the senators accused China's "anticompetitive practices" of exacerbating "global supply problems at a time when world demand continues to climb. We proposed the United States stop helping China enhance its dominant position in rare earth materials."
    http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/view/...ail&pid=102055

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    No Blood for Batteries.

    I look forward to the Protest "End the Illegal War, No Blood for Batteries" signs.
    Yeah exactly. What have Afghanistan and the Taliban ever done to us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TerminatorJet View Post
    Yeah exactly. What have Afghanistan and the Taliban ever done to us?
    Perhaps you should ask the Saudi nationals who partook in 9/11?

    Oh, wait....

    The People of Afganistan did nothing, the Taliban only slightly more. It's ok, the blood of American Soldiers on on your Prius, you warmongering torture supporting, gitmo'lovin blood-for-batteries war profiteer environmentalist!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Perhaps you should ask the Saudi nationals who partook in 9/11?

    Oh, wait....

    The People of Afganistan did nothing, the Taliban only slightly more. It's ok, the blood of American Soldiers on on your Prius, you warmongering torture supporting, gitmo'lovin blood-for-batteries war profiteer environmentalist!
    Funny how things look when the truth finally floats to the top

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Perhaps you should ask the Saudi nationals who partook in 9/11?

    Oh, wait....

    The People of Afganistan did nothing, the Taliban only slightly more. It's ok, the blood of American Soldiers on on your Prius, you warmongering torture supporting, gitmo'lovin blood-for-batteries war profiteer environmentalist!
    You mean the same Saudi Nationals that the Bush family is close friends with? That James Baker defended in a lawsuit brought forth by families of 9/11 victims?

    Yep, the Taliban did slightly more, like give refuge and protection to the world's biggest terrorist who helped finance and plan 9/11. Why do anything about them?

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    Quote Originally Posted by shakin318 View Post
    I'm not going to comment on the substance of the suggestion either way; I just want to point out that Gillebrand has repeatedly proven to be an absolute useless twat, good for nothing more than her nose being firmly planted in the ass of Charles Schumer. The fact that anyone would start a thread based on her "position" on anything is absolutely hilarious to me. No offense to the OP intended (seriously), just my opinion and observations as a New York resident.
    +(current US deficit)

    Her picture is in the dictionary under "vacuous". Seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Perhaps you should ask the Saudi nationals who partook in 9/11?
    I'll answer that for you in my best CBTNY voice

    Saudi's? We didn't bomb Austria in WW2, did we. AUSTRIA!! NA! NA! Auuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu-STRIA!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    China is the dominant player in REE's





    http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/view/...ail&pid=102055
    China produces 97% of these elements for one reason only, their price is so cheap. There is no shortage of the availability of these materials if people are willing to pay substantially more for them.

    It's an extremely small market under 2Billion annually and the US which was the worlds producer can't produce these at a competitive price, we can produce the worlds needed supply at a price the world can't afford however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyler Durden View Post
    Wait, isn't this about the Return on Investment?

    Is burning $34BIL a year too steep a price to keep a vise grip on al queda?
    Last edited by WestCoastOffensive; 03-18-2011 at 02:33 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    China produces 97% of these elements for one reason only, their price is so cheap. There is no shortage of the availability of these materials if people are willing to pay substantially more for them.

    It's an extremely small market under 2Billion annually and the US which was the worlds producer can't produce these at a competitive price, we can produce the worlds needed supply at a price the world can't afford however.
    The price has gone up quite a bit over the past few months since China imposed their will of restraint upon the market.

    No matter what the reason, they are still the dominant player in the market for now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    The price has gone up quite a bit over the past few months since China imposed their will of restraint upon the market.

    No matter what the reason, they are still the dominant player in the market for now
    China will be facing big pressure from a rising standard of living.

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