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  1. #41
    If Ayers is there at 30 and it's between him and Phil Taylor, it will be interesting to see what Rex decides to do.

  2. #42
    I think half you guys are nuts ... Ayers is a 3 down linebacker that can cover and blitz .. His 40 time doesn't matter look at the game tape he chases from sideline to sideline and makes plays and also plays inside in nickel coverage..

    He's a safe pick and will be a player that produces.. You can pick a De /olb Tweener in the later rounds..

    If he s there ill take him unless some one else drops..

  3. #43
    I'm not big on Ayers. He didn't rush the passer too much so his stats don't matter to me, but from the videos I've watched of him, he is a poor tackler and struggles mightily to get off blocks.

    I wouldn't be angry about it, but his tape just hasn't impressed me.

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by hollywoodjet View Post
    I think half you guys are nuts ... Ayers is a 3 down linebacker that can cover and blitz .. His 40 time doesn't matter look at the game tape he chases from sideline to sideline and makes plays and also plays inside in nickel coverage..

    He's a safe pick and will be a player that produces.. You can pick a De /olb Tweener in the later rounds..

    If he s there ill take him unless some one else drops..
    The bolded part is one of my most hated lines in draft discussions. As i said before I don't know enough about Ayers to have a firm opinion but the key is for him to be a very good pass rusher because that is what we need out of an olb. If he is an excellent pass rusher I'm all for it. If he's average then we had those type of players the last few years.

  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by Beerfish View Post
    The bolded part is one of my most hated lines in draft discussions. As i said before I don't know enough about Ayers to have a firm opinion but the key is for him to be a very good pass rusher because that is what we need out of an olb. If he is an excellent pass rusher I'm all for it. If he's average then we had those type of players the last few years.
    He is a excellent pass rusher when he gets down in a 3 point stance he does a good job.. Are there better pass rushers in this draft sure are but they will be gone.. Like a previous poster said he looks alot like mo Lewis that he can do everything pretty well.. I just think he's a solid pick with little bust potential...

    When guys call for Allen Bailey and Phil Taylor and Brooks Reed I just shake my Head .. There red flags are way bigger than Ayers..

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    But I wonder how the NY media and fans will deal with another first round pick who produces no stats. Unless he's picking 6 and running to the house they will say he's a bust.
    Part of the reason he's getting 1st round consideration is because he was/is a playmaker.

  7. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by hollywoodjet View Post
    I think half you guys are nuts ... Ayers is a 3 down linebacker that can cover and blitz .. His 40 time doesn't matter look at the game tape he chases from sideline to sideline and makes plays and also plays inside in nickel coverage..

    He's a safe pick and will be a player that produces.. You can pick a De /olb Tweener in the later rounds..

    If he s there ill take him unless some one else drops..
    drafting at the end of the first rd is tough, Do you go with the safe pick or the potential pick that is more likely to bust. The jest always seem to go potential. (remember how many centers get drafted in the first, even if mangold was not considered a risk it certainly was not a sexy pick when the jets already had a center)

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    The only issue with Bailey is how valuable are 3-4 DE's? Does anyone actually see Bailey as a double digit sack guy on a 3 man front? I know we play both fronts but I just have trouble envisioning Bailey who is rated by most draft sites as a low second round guy as a potential double digit sack guy.

    Now lets look at the OLBs that will be asked to primarily sack the QB. is Sheard or Reed, or even Houston as highly touted as Hughes was last year? Hughes basically did nothing. So there is a pattern that dictates that converted OLBs are going to take a long while to develop, if ever.

    We already have Pace and Thomas that have proven that they can get to the QB occasionally. By adding a do it all LB like Ayers prevents us from having Harris, Pace, Thomas, and Scott from chasing down Opposing QBs check down which will give Rex's blitzers an extra second that could be the difference between a sack and a converted 3rd and long.

    Something else, how long do you think it will take Brady and co. To figure a way to beat the middle zone coverage that worked so well in the playoffs. Just like from year 1 and 2, Rex is going to have to keep adjusting his Defense.

  9. #49
    The guys on here looking for the guy that's going to be a pass rushing force and be available at #30 need to wake up. We're picking 30th, not 3rd. Clay Matthews had 54 tackles and 4 sacks his senior year at USC (giving him a total of 5 sacks in his college career). I watched a lot of USC. I knew he was good, exceptionally good for a walk on. But even the most ardent USC fan never would have imagined he would as good as he's been for the Packers.

    We would be incredibly fortunate to find a pass rusher of Calvin Pace's caliber at #30. Ayers already knows how to do everything he would be asked to do in our defense. Say we take Houston, if he's there (I think he will be). He's not going to be rushing the passer every time he's on the field. What happens when he's dropped into coverage?

    Double digit sacks from a 3-4 OLB? There were 8 of those guys last year. 8 guys, from how many years of drafts that are represented in the league right now? Ware, Hali, Wake, Matthews, Woodley, Harrison, Suggs, Phillips. Dumervil missed last year, you can add him to the list to make 9. Now, from this list of guys, how many were projected to be great edge rushers? Ware, Hali, Matthews, and Suggs. All of them were gone by pick #30. Woodley was a mid 2nd rounder; Phillips and Dumervil were 4th rounders; Harrison and Wake were undrafted.

    I've got a good memory, and the overwhelming majority of these pass rush specialists that get drafted turn out to be worthless. I feel like you hit on a lower percentage of pass rushers than any other position. The jump in offensive line and quarterback play from college to the pros is so massive....I don't feel like getting sacks in college is a significant indicator of your ability to do it in the NFL. Besides being athletically superior, there are many blown protections, QBs hold onto the ball too long, the backs aren't as good in protection, etc. Go have a look through the draft histories, you'll have forgotten just how many of these guys there are.

    There are lots of guys that rack up the sacks in college. If all you want is a situational pass rusher, take one later in the draft. I'd prefer my first round draft picks to be able to do more than one thing. If any of these guys projected to be gamechanging pass rushers, they wouldn't be there at the bottom of the 1st round.

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    The guys on here looking for the guy that's going to be a pass rushing force and be available at #30 need to wake up. We're picking 30th, not 3rd. Clay Matthews had 54 tackles and 4 sacks his senior year at USC (giving him a total of 5 sacks in his college career). I watched a lot of USC. I knew he was good, exceptionally good for a walk on. But even the most ardent USC fan never would have imagined he would as good as he's been for the Packers.

    We would be incredibly fortunate to find a pass rusher of Calvin Pace's caliber at #30. Ayers already knows how to do everything he would be asked to do in our defense. Say we take Houston, if he's there (I think he will be). He's not going to be rushing the passer every time he's on the field. What happens when he's dropped into coverage?

    Double digit sacks from a 3-4 OLB? There were 8 of those guys last year. 8 guys, from how many years of drafts that are represented in the league right now? Ware, Hali, Wake, Matthews, Woodley, Harrison, Suggs, Phillips. Dumervil missed last year, you can add him to the list to make 9. Now, from this list of guys, how many were projected to be great edge rushers? Ware, Hali, Matthews, and Suggs. All of them were gone by pick #30. Woodley was a mid 2nd rounder; Phillips and Dumervil were 4th rounders; Harrison and Wake were undrafted.

    I've got a good memory, and the overwhelming majority of these pass rush specialists that get drafted turn out to be worthless. I feel like you hit on a lower percentage of pass rushers than any other position. The jump in offensive line and quarterback play from college to the pros is so massive....I don't feel like getting sacks in college is a significant indicator of your ability to do it in the NFL. Besides being athletically superior, there are many blown protections, QBs hold onto the ball too long, the backs aren't as good in protection, etc. Go have a look through the draft histories, you'll have forgotten just how many of these guys there are.

    There are lots of guys that rack up the sacks in college. If all you want is a situational pass rusher, take one later in the draft. I'd prefer my first round draft picks to be able to do more than one thing. If any of these guys projected to be gamechanging pass rushers, they wouldn't be there at the bottom of the 1st round.
    Very good post.

    IIRC when DeMarcus Ware got drafted Parcells said he drafted him to be an OLB first...and that skillset goes beyond "get a few sacks."

  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    The guys on here looking for the guy that's going to be a pass rushing force and be available at #30 need to wake up. We're picking 30th, not 3rd. Clay Matthews had 54 tackles and 4 sacks his senior year at USC (giving him a total of 5 sacks in his college career). I watched a lot of USC. I knew he was good, exceptionally good for a walk on. But even the most ardent USC fan never would have imagined he would as good as he's been for the Packers.

    We would be incredibly fortunate to find a pass rusher of Calvin Pace's caliber at #30. Ayers already knows how to do everything he would be asked to do in our defense. Say we take Houston, if he's there (I think he will be). He's not going to be rushing the passer every time he's on the field. What happens when he's dropped into coverage?

    Double digit sacks from a 3-4 OLB? There were 8 of those guys last year. 8 guys, from how many years of drafts that are represented in the league right now? Ware, Hali, Wake, Matthews, Woodley, Harrison, Suggs, Phillips. Dumervil missed last year, you can add him to the list to make 9. Now, from this list of guys, how many were projected to be great edge rushers? Ware, Hali, Matthews, and Suggs. All of them were gone by pick #30. Woodley was a mid 2nd rounder; Phillips and Dumervil were 4th rounders; Harrison and Wake were undrafted.

    I've got a good memory, and the overwhelming majority of these pass rush specialists that get drafted turn out to be worthless. I feel like you hit on a lower percentage of pass rushers than any other position. The jump in offensive line and quarterback play from college to the pros is so massive....I don't feel like getting sacks in college is a significant indicator of your ability to do it in the NFL. Besides being athletically superior, there are many blown protections, QBs hold onto the ball too long, the backs aren't as good in protection, etc. Go have a look through the draft histories, you'll have forgotten just how many of these guys there are.

    There are lots of guys that rack up the sacks in college. If all you want is a situational pass rusher, take one later in the draft. I'd prefer my first round draft picks to be able to do more than one thing. If any of these guys projected to be gamechanging pass rushers, they wouldn't be there at the bottom of the 1st round.
    Excellent Post!! This should be a Sticky

    Who wouldn't sign up for a Mo Lewis at #30?

  12. #52
    Quote Originally Posted by JB1089 View Post
    The guys on here looking for the guy that's going to be a pass rushing force and be available at #30 need to wake up. We're picking 30th, not 3rd. Clay Matthews had 54 tackles and 4 sacks his senior year at USC (giving him a total of 5 sacks in his college career). I watched a lot of USC. I knew he was good, exceptionally good for a walk on. But even the most ardent USC fan never would have imagined he would as good as he's been for the Packers.

    We would be incredibly fortunate to find a pass rusher of Calvin Pace's caliber at #30. Ayers already knows how to do everything he would be asked to do in our defense. Say we take Houston, if he's there (I think he will be). He's not going to be rushing the passer every time he's on the field. What happens when he's dropped into coverage?

    Double digit sacks from a 3-4 OLB? There were 8 of those guys last year. 8 guys, from how many years of drafts that are represented in the league right now? Ware, Hali, Wake, Matthews, Woodley, Harrison, Suggs, Phillips. Dumervil missed last year, you can add him to the list to make 9. Now, from this list of guys, how many were projected to be great edge rushers? Ware, Hali, Matthews, and Suggs. All of them were gone by pick #30. Woodley was a mid 2nd rounder; Phillips and Dumervil were 4th rounders; Harrison and Wake were undrafted.

    I've got a good memory, and the overwhelming majority of these pass rush specialists that get drafted turn out to be worthless. I feel like you hit on a lower percentage of pass rushers than any other position. The jump in offensive line and quarterback play from college to the pros is so massive....I don't feel like getting sacks in college is a significant indicator of your ability to do it in the NFL. Besides being athletically superior, there are many blown protections, QBs hold onto the ball too long, the backs aren't as good in protection, etc. Go have a look through the draft histories, you'll have forgotten just how many of these guys there are.

    There are lots of guys that rack up the sacks in college. If all you want is a situational pass rusher, take one later in the draft. I'd prefer my first round draft picks to be able to do more than one thing. If any of these guys projected to be gamechanging pass rushers, they wouldn't be there at the bottom of the 1st round.
    Good post and probably true, the fact remains that in many peoples minds the difference between beening a top 5 or 6 D and a totally dominant team is that pass rusher. I agree with you about the 1st round pick philosophy though, best all around player. I just hope we do end up drafting at least one if not two pass rushing olb types in this draft.

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by Come Back to NY View Post
    but its a youtube clip... btw- can you name me one a college defender/NFL prospect that's never missed a tackle??

    answering your questions- they used him a lot differently in 2010, lining him up around the field and using him out of a three point stance....he's starting to get a rep from some that he's a guy that gets by on natural talent- definitely not something encouraging at this point....

    that said its funny that some who claim they know think that getting a pass rusher automatically improves the pass rush...its like saying getting a good running back automoatically improves your running game or getting a good receiver automatically improves the passing game despite a leaky offensive line, QB that can't throw, etc...

    as stated in another thread- if the Jets take Ayers in round one he almost instantaneously becomes their best coverage LB- as big a sore point on the defense as anything else....

    something to ponder- if there are two different LB's available @30 are the Jets better off selecting someone with great stat sacks or a LB that's proven himself making plays in reverse??
    Thanks CBNY..

    Let me ask this about another OLB prospect..What is the word on Greg Romeus? How is he checking out, healthwise? And any word on the Jets thoughts on him? Have they or plan to speak to him? Might be a good option in Round 4 or 5..

  14. #54
    in most years no you don't find a sack master at 30... in this draft tho, it might be the best DE crop for 10 years. I think it's possible. A guy like Sheard or Reed could be that player. In other drafts they might not even be there... rise up.

  15. #55

    Thumbs down

    Ayers is not the answer for us at OlB. He is only effective with his hand down rushing the passer or playing a only one gap aggresively. He is bad in space and too easily gets eaten up by the first big body that comes at him. No thanks! He is a 4-3 guy all the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Thanks CBNY..

    Let me ask this about another OLB prospect..What is the word on Greg Romeus? How is he checking out, healthwise? And any word on the Jets thoughts on him? Have they or plan to speak to him? Might be a good option in Round 4 or 5..
    i heard a month ago he was ahead of schedule- but you never know- look at da'quan bowers yesterday.....romeus has back and knee issues...imo he's a 4-3/DE and not a 3-4/OLB...

  17. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by Come Back to NY View Post
    i heard a month ago he was ahead of schedule- but you never know- look at da'quan bowers yesterday.....romeus has back and knee issues...imo he's a 4-3/DE and not a 3-4/OLB...
    Thanks...I've read a few sites that thought he could play in a 4-3 or 3-4...I can understand the 3-4 concern considering his injuries...

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by TheMo View Post
    Don't let everyone convince you of this. Just remember there are only 29 players that can go before the Jets get a chance to pick. At some point one of these prospects will have to be there. I think Ayers will be there b/c he just isn't flashy enough/lacks the crazy sack production. I think he is probably the best of the bunch minus Miller. Quinn has health concerns and has never dropped back into coverage, Houston has motor/IQ questions. I stopped mentioning him when he ran like molasses cause I thought I had misjudged his film. But yea I think he'll still be around.
    Very true we'll get a quality player within reach. As usual some teamswill reach and a decent player will be sitting there for us. Besidez like u said only 29 picks before ours lets not panic

  19. #59
    Akeem Ayers could be in the mix to be chosen in the first round because of his outstanding athleticism, but he could be another player who doesnít have success right away. Front office men question the UCLA linebackerís instincts and ability to understand a complex defense quickly.

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-9962.html

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by C Mart View Post
    Akeem Ayers could be in the mix to be chosen in the first round because of his outstanding athleticism, but he could be another player who doesnít have success right away. Front office men question the UCLA linebackerís instincts and ability to understand a complex defense quickly.

    http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/...litz-9962.html
    Seems like he made a lot of plays vs the run, rushing the passer, and in coverage for a player that lacks instincts.

    Push comes to shove, if he is there I hope we take him.

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