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    Top 40 All time draft busts - non QB's

    [I][B]Well it's time to revisit the proverbial draft busts from 1978 forward per Mel Kiper. Within the first couple of his picks are Gholston and D-Rob. Imagine for a second if either of those two players actually panned out to be what we thought they would be when we drafted them? In the case of D-Rob...he showed some flashes - but his left knee was always an issue - and that alone probably stopped him from being a serviceable DT in a 4-3 scheme for a lot of NFL teams....Gholston is still young enough that a miracle could happen and the lights go on upstairs for some lucky team, but I doubt it. Ryan is one of the best defensive coaches in the league...he has a solid track history in coaching guys up...if he couldn't do it, a coach with a little less patience and no large cap penalty to face if he releases him will not.

    It's no surprise here that the most athletic of all NFL positions the WR spot is featured here more than any other position.[/B][/I]

    Last week, I wrote about draft busts at the quarterback position, admitting how much I liked Andre Ware, Joey Harrington and several others in the process. Many asked, so I'll follow that up with a look at the guys I consider the biggest busts at positions other than quarterback. Again, these are the guys who were in the league during the time I have evaluated. It really wouldn't be fair to go outside of that range.

    I put out my first draft guide in 1978, so it will encapsulate the period since then. We'll consider only guys drafted within the top ten picks. After that, is there an exact criteria? Not really. Overall performance matters, and some guys fell prey to injuries. In some cases, the arc matters -- did a guy show flashes and build up hope only to disappear? In other cases, hype factors in. No evaluator is immune to a little bit of overexcitement on a player. Finally, very recent players aren't considered. They could still find a way back. In the end, it's a subjective list, but a conversation-starter, I'm sure. Here you go; 40 to chew on ...

    Vernon Gholston, OLB, No. 6 overall to New York Jets in 2008
    Finally time to call it what it is. Amazing physical skills, but not even Rex Ryan could save him.

    Troy Williamson, WR, No. 7 overall to Minnesota in 2005
    An absolute burner, but just 87 career receptions.

    Reggie Williams, WR, No. 9 overall to Jacksonville in 2004
    Should have done more, given immense physical skills. The high point was 2006.

    Charles Rogers, WR, No. 2 overall to Detroit in 2003
    Just 36 career receptions. What might have happened had he stayed healthy?

    Dewayne Robertson, DT, No. 4 overall to New York Jets in 2003
    Only 16 sacks in his career for a guy we though would really penetrate and be a menace.

    Johnathan Sullivan, DT, No. 6 overall to New Orleans in 2003
    Out of the game in just three years, Sullivan had a ton of ability and could really move.

    Mike Williams, OT, No. 4 overall to Buffalo in 2002
    An absolute mammoth at 370-plus pounds, Williams got starts but never lived up.

    Ryan Sims, DT, No. 6 overall to Kansas City in 2002
    Played in 105 career games but never was able to produce to the level we thought he would.

    David Terrell, WR, No. 8 overall to Chicago in 2001 Loved the hype but couldn't take criticism and was very inconsistent for the Bears.

    Koren Robinson, WR, No. 9 overall to Seattle in 2001
    A talented but troubled guy, Robinson came in with immense skills but couldn't get out of his own way.

    Jamal Reynolds, DE, No. 10 overall to Green Bay in 2001
    Three total sacks for a guy who had Pro Bowl talent based on what he did for Florida State.

    Courtney Brown, DE, No. 1 overall to Cleveland in 2000
    Just never put it all together. Had 19 career sacks but seemed destined to do that in a year.

    Peter Warrick, WR, No. 4 overall to Cincinnati in 2000
    A 79-catch season in 2003 doesn't scream "bust," but Warrick was never the guy we saw in college.

    David Boston, WR, No. 8 overall to Arizona in 1999
    Was not a pure bust, with one monster season, but out of the NFL by 27 years old. Steroids suspension and attitude questions.

    Curtis Enis, RB, No. 5 overall to Chicago in 1998
    Maxed out at 287 yards in a season and finished his career with fewer than 500. Ouch.

    Tommy Knight, CB, No. 9 overall to Arizona in 1997
    Three career INTs for a guy who looked to be a Pro Bowl corner when he went in the top 10.

    Lawrence Phillips, RB, No. 6 overall to St. Louis Rams in 1996
    Talent was never the question. Phillips torched his career with off-the-field troubles.

    Ki-Jana Carter, RB, No. 1 overall to Cincinnati in 1995 Got hurt before he ever got started. Never eclipsed 500 yards in a season.

    Michael Westbrook, WR, No. 4 overall to Washington in 1995
    Stuck around long enough for 285 catches but was never the star the Skins thought he'd be.

    Mike Mamula, DE, No. 7 overall to Philadelphia in 1995
    Not a total bust as some think, Mamula finished with 31.5 sacks. But the hype didn't help.

    J.J. Stokes, WR, No. 10 to San Francisco in 1995
    Hung around the league a long time but never the difference-maker he was at UCLA.

    Trev Alberts, OLB, No. 5 overall to Indianapolis in 1994
    Not much to say: 29 career games, 49 career tackles. Injuries got in the way.

    Eric Curry, DE, No. 6 overall to Tampa Bay in 1993
    Just 12.5 career sacks for a guy who was a monster at Alabama.

    [+] EnlargeSteve Emtman
    Gary Newkirk/AllsportPoor health robbed Steve Emtman of the dominance he maintained in college.

    Steve Emtman, DT, No. 1 overall to Indianapolis in 1992
    Injuries robbed Emtman of what he could have become, but he was still a statistical bust. Unstoppable while at Washingtion, an all-timer.

    Bruce Pickens, CB, No. 3 overall to Atlanta in 1991 You don't expect to miss when you get a cornerback this high, but Atlanta did with Pickens.

    Keith McCants, DE/OLB, No. 4 overall to Tampa Bay in 1990 Just 13.5 career sacks for a player Bama fans will fondly remember for what he did in that program.

    Sammie Smith, RB, No. 9 overall to Miami in 1989
    Smith played with a bruising style for FSU but wasn't explosive enough in the NFL.

    Brent Fullwood, RB, No. 4 overall to Green Bay in 1987
    He actually got a Pro Bowl nod in 1989 but just 1,702 career rushing yards.

    Mike Junkin, ILB, No. 5 overall to Cleveland in 1987 Played in just 20 career games. The last Duke player to go in Round 1.

    Reggie Rogers, DE, No. 7 overall to Detroit in 1987
    Involved in a tragic car accident early in his career, he washed out of the league. Problems followed him.

    Jon Hand, DE, No. 4 overall to Indianapolis in 1986
    Not a total bust by any means, with 35.5 career sacks. But by no means the player we expected.

    Anthony Bell, OLB, No. 5 overall to the St. Louis Cardinals in 1986
    He actually started 65 career games, but Bell was never an impact player at four career stops.

    Brian Jozwiak, OT, No. 7 overall to Kansas City in 1986
    A hip injury ended his career early. A great player at West Virginia, Jozwiak was done quickly.

    Mossy Cade, CB, No. 6 overall to San Diego in 1984
    Convicted of sexual assault after a couple uneventful years with San Diego, he never made it back.

    Ricky Hunley, ILB, No. 7 overall to Cincinnati in 1984 A star at Arizona, Hunley sat out his first year and bounced around. Has had a long career in coaching.

    Leonard Coleman, CB, No. 8 overall to Indianapolis in 1984
    Played in 49 career games and picked off six passes. But not a great career given his talent.

    David Verser, WR, No. 10 overall to Cincinnati in 1981
    Just 23 career catches to go with an unspectacular career as a kick returner.

    Tom Cousineau, ILB, No. 1 overall to Buffalo in 1979
    He was kind of an undersized guy, even in 1979, and his career didn't match his work in Columbus.

    Ken MacAfee, TE, No. 7 overall to San Francisco in 1978
    A star in South Bend at tight end, MacAfee didn't want to play guard, and ended up a dentist instead.

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    Some of these players aren't busts. It's as if the author of the article was lazy and didn't want to look for actual busts.

    Mel Kiper should sit down and go over year by year. There are at least 10 guys on this list who should be replaced. You could easily put players like Lawrence Maroney on here, if you're going to include David Boston and the like.

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    Why isn't Brian Bosworth on that list?

    C'mon, Mel! I thought you knew Football? geez....

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    [QUOTE=Vin;3988847]Why isn't Brian Bosworth on that list?

    C'mon, Mel! I thought you knew Football? geez....[/QUOTE]

    Exactly.

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    And not one Pat bust?? How about Kenneth Sims the first player picked in 82?? Or Chris Singleton the 8th pick in 1990?? :yes:

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    Some of the statistics are just wrong. Curtis Enis had almost 500 yards in his rookie year, and just short of 1,000 in year two.

    [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/curtisenis/profile?id=ENI540972"]Curtis Enis @ NFL.com[/URL]

    Where's Mel getting these from?

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    [QUOTE=John_0515;3988852]Some of the statistics are just wrong. Curtis Enis had almost 500 yards in his rookie year, and just short of 1,000 in year two.

    [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/curtisenis/profile?id=ENI540972"]Curtis Enis @ NFL.com[/URL]

    Where's Mel getting these from?[/QUOTE]

    [img]http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/slides/photos/000/799/121/wtf-mel-kiper_display_image.jpg?1300635960[/img]

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    [QUOTE=John_0515;3988852]Some of the statistics are just wrong. Curtis Enis had almost 500 yards in his rookie year, and just short of 1,000 in year two.

    [URL="http://www.nfl.com/players/curtisenis/profile?id=ENI540972"]Curtis Enis @ NFL.com[/URL]

    Where's Mel getting these from?[/QUOTE]

    And David Boston made all pro as many times as Cumar..:D

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    No Blair Thomas? He never recovered from the MNF Chicago Bears fumble game..

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    [QUOTE=Savage69;3988857]And David Boston made all pro as many times as Cumar..:D[/QUOTE]

    Curtis was a 5 x Pro Bowler.

    Boston made it that many times?

    I'm not a CuMar basher, and I don't know if this is a knock on Curtis or making a point in the thread.

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    Lavar Arrington could easily be on this list as well. Mel Kiper made this list on a cocktail napkin at some bar. Notice there are no Baltimore players on here. :rolleyes:

    Travis Taylor WR
    Duane Starks CB - another guy who played for a long time and didn't live up to his high pick (comparing him to players on that list).

    Also, he conveniently left off QBs, of which Kyle Boller would be one of the biggest busts on the list.
    Last edited by John_0515; 03-27-2011 at 12:30 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Savage69;3988850]And not one Pat bust?? How about Kenneth Sims the first player picked in 82?? Or Chris Singleton the 8th pick in 1990?? :yes:[/QUOTE]

    No, no, players like Katzenmoyer weren't busts, they just didn't fit into the NE system. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=John_0515;3988872]Curtis was a 5 x Pro Bowler.

    Boston made it that many times?

    I'm not a CuMar basher, and I don't know if this is a knock on Curtis or making a point in the thread.[/QUOTE]

    I said All Pro not pro bowler.. Big difference my Martinette friend..:yes: Hell Gastineau was a 5 time Pro Bowler and a 3 time All Pro..
    Last edited by Savage69; 03-27-2011 at 01:01 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Savage69;3988900]I said All Pro not pro bowler.. Big difference my Martinette friend..:yes: Hell Gastineau was a 5 time Pro Bowler and a 3 time All Pro..[/QUOTE]

    My bad. 2 x all pro. Not an easy task.

    Nevertheless, Boston should br replaced on this list.

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    Where's Tony Mandarich. Drafted #2 in 1989 by Green Bay.

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    [QUOTE=Long Suffering Jets Fan;3988933]Where's Tony Mandarich. Drafted #2 in 1989 by Green Bay.[/QUOTE]

    It's clear at this point that, despite a poor attempt, a better list of 40 non-QB first round busts is not that hard to come up with.

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    [B]Why isn't Reggie Bush on this list?[/B]

    Does anyone remember the hypestorm that surrounded that guy before 2006? There were scouts saying he was the best prospect they've seen in years. That he was the next Ladainian Tomlinson and people were laughing at the Texans for drafting Mario Williams.

    Bush hasn't rushed for 1,000 yards ONCE in the NFL. He's had more than 1,000 yards combined from LOS (excluding kick return bs) one time in 2006. Less than 4.0 ypc for 3 out of the 5 years he's been in the NFL and this past season he played in just half of the Saints' games for a total of 308 yards combined.

    It's safe to say Reggie Bush sucks and is a worse bust than guys like David Boston and Lavarr Arrington who at least had some success and were even elite even if it was for a short period of time. He's more famous now for having plowed fat hoe Kim Kardashian.

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    [QUOTE=Vin;3988847]Why isn't Brian Bosworth on that list?

    C'mon, Mel! I thought you knew Football? geez....[/QUOTE]

    and where are CARL McADAMS, Carl Barzolakis-sp and Alex Van Dyke?

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    [QUOTE=TerminatorJet;3988961][B]Why isn't Reggie Bush on this list?[/B]

    Does anyone remember the hypestorm that surrounded that guy before 2006? There were scouts saying he was the best prospect they've seen in years. That he was the next Ladainian Tomlinson and people were laughing at the Texans for drafting Mario Williams.

    Bush hasn't rushed for 1,000 yards ONCE in the NFL. He's had more than 1,000 yards combined from LOS (excluding kick return bs) one time in 2006. Less than 4.0 ypc for 3 out of the 5 years he's been in the NFL and this past season he played in just half of the Saints' games for a total of 308 yards combined.

    It's safe to say Reggie Bush sucks and is a worse bust than guys like David Boston and Lavarr Arrington who at least had some success and were even elite even if it was for a short period of time. He's more famous now for having plowed fat hoe Kim Kardashian.[/QUOTE]

    No, he's good. He's definitely lived up to all his hype. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=John_0515;3988884]No, no, players like Katzenmoyer weren't busts, they just didn't fit into the NE system. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Chris Singleton played for years, no he never approached his draft value. But to think they traded down from 3 and could have had Cortez Kennedy. But Sullivan was bankrupt and could not afford to sign him.

    Ken Sims was a solid player, but no way #1 type value.

    Where the hell is Johny lam Jones?

    As far as katz and maroney these are guys that were picked in the 20s.

    Eugene Chung is a bust

    Ki Jana Carter is not.

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