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Thread: Wisconsin, England, NY & NJ...the LEFT is on the run

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    Wisconsin, England, NY & NJ...the LEFT is on the run

    everywhere you look, the infantile left is reacting with sometimes violent protests because the gravy train is coming to an end...In England, the leader of the Labor Party is a guy named Ed Milliband, who's father was a Marxist- yes, he's the prime minister-in waiting if David Cameron loses.

    NJ teachers unions...Wisconsin public employee's...New York has it's own beaut in one of the worst politicians in the country- Sheldon Silver. I can't believe the miracle that has been our Democratic governor Cuomo...who somehow "gets it".

    things are looking up, IMO

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    You should be just as upset that the Corporate WELFARE is not on the wane. You appear to over look that these guys get away with moving jobs overseas on the American taxpayer's back.

    You should be just as upset about the tax breaks (WELFARE) for the rich.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    You should be just as upset that the Corporate WELFARE is not on the wane. You appear to over look that these guys get away with moving jobs overseas on the American taxpayer's back.

    You should be just as upset about the tax breaks (WELFARE) for the rich.
    Right. Tax breaks and welfare are so similar. Get a clue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    You should be just as upset that the Corporate WELFARE is not on the wane. You appear to over look that these guys get away with moving jobs overseas on the American taxpayer's back.

    You should be just as upset about the tax breaks (WELFARE) for the rich.
    Capital is like water...it flows to where it is least resistant.

    High tax rates and labor rates in the US cause this. Lower Corp rates and jobs will appear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    Lower Corp rates and jobs will appear.
    They don't pay them anyway. What's the difference? Is Motorola gonna have more US jobs if their taxes are less than zero? Zero isn't enough for them.

    Jeez. Picky picky...

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    They don't pay them anyway. What's the difference? Is Motorola gonna have more US jobs if their taxes are less than zero? Zero isn't enough for them.

    Jeez. Picky picky...
    No, but think of all the accountants they could get rid of. You know, the ones who don't want a Motorola pension, healthcare benefits, or a matching 401K. I think the Bard got it wrong. "Kill all the accountants" might have been even smarter than killing all the lawyers. I'm not sure which group is worse.

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    Corporate Lobbyists: Our corporate taxes are TOO high. That's unfair. We're mad!!

    Everyone else: Ummm...you guys paid ZERO in taxes by having a PO Box in the Caribbean. That seems pretty f*cking low to me.

    Corporate Lobbyists: Yeah. Well. Umm. Yea. SHUT UP, Anti-American, troop hating, freedom killers!!! We love America, unlike you. Look at that fireman over there. He gets healthcare!!! Doesn't that make you angry?!?!

    Everyone else: Er. Not really. He did run into burning buildings to save people's lives. I'm pretty sure that's at least worth some trips to the doctor.

    Corporate Lobbyists: F*ck that guy. And look at that lazy piece of sh*t lady over there!!

    Everyone else: Who? Mrs. Whitney? My daughters 4th grade teacher?

    Corporate Lobbyists: Yeah. That b*tch. She is ruining our fine country with her retirement and doctor's visits.

    Everyone else: Are you on crack?

    Corporate Lobbyists: SHE'S DESTROYING AMERICA AND YOU'RE JUST GONNA SIT THERE???

    Everyone else:
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    It's comical. Take your companies and make everyone live where you claim your HQ's are located. Have fun and when sh@t breaks bad don't come back to the good ol' USA. If it is soo much better there, go and live there. Pretty simple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    You should be just as upset that the Corporate WELFARE is not on the wane. You appear to over look that these guys get away with moving jobs overseas on the American taxpayer's back.

    You should be just as upset about the tax breaks (WELFARE) for the rich.
    BINGO

    Don't worry Dawgg, they'll get upset. They will get upset as soon as Fox News and talk radio makes it an issue and gives it equal air time.

    And that should happen any day now

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    Quote Originally Posted by long island leprechaun View Post
    I think the Bard got it wrong. "Kill all the accountants" might have been even smarter than killing all the lawyers. I'm not sure which group is worse.
    Huh?

    I'm sorry. I think you'll have to explain that one. I don't get it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    You should be just as upset that the Corporate WELFARE is not on the wane.
    Corporations do not pay taxes. Their customers do, in a very basic "pass on the costs" way.

    So why tax them at all? It's an excellent example of how our system of taxation is vastly and needlessly overcomplicated. Such a system, protected by both major parties, only serves to support special interests and coproate profitism.

    End Corporate Taxation, implement the Flat Tax (or a variation on it, Consuption Tax for example), and end all the mass-confusion and loophole making once and for all.

    End of the day, people who support Corporate Taxation support the very system and abuses they claim to be out to stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Corporations do not pay taxes. Their customers do, in a very basic "pass on the costs" way.
    So....if we cut all corporate taxes, are they going to reduce prices on everything?


    Maybe if we do that and eliminate the UAW, cars will only cost 5 grand. That would be awesome. And hilarious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    They don't pay them anyway. What's the difference? Is Motorola gonna have more US jobs if their taxes are less than zero? Zero isn't enough for them.

    Jeez. Picky picky...
    Companies have moved thousands of jobs overseas because of high corporate tax. Those jobs also no longer pay taxes in the US. Motorola along with almost every major corporation in this country will have more jobs in the US if US tax rates are made competitive. US tax rates are insanely high and it has cost us US jobs and US taxable salaries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Companies have moved thousands of jobs overseas because of high corporate tax. Those jobs also no longer pay taxes in the US. Motorola along with almost every major corporation in this country will have more jobs in the US if US tax rates are made competitive. US tax rates are insanely high and it has cost us US jobs and US taxable salaries.
    OK. Lets do it then.

    But if the f*ckers don't reduce the prices of their plastic crap...let's send a Tomahawk missile into their Cayman Island post office box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Companies have moved thousands of jobs overseas because of high corporate tax. Those jobs also no longer pay taxes in the US. Motorola along with almost every major corporation in this country will have more jobs in the US if US tax rates are made competitive. US tax rates are insanely high and it has cost us US jobs and US taxable salaries.
    Isn't there risks for all of these countries who rely on these foreign countries? What if they just say hey FU we will take this and good day? I am willing to be the corporations will run back to the USA and ask for help because they "really" are American corporations. They want all the benefits without paying their share. They want the American consumer and will exploit any and everyone for their profits. It may seem pretty cool right now, but what goes around comes around. You want the benefits of the USA without paying for it.

    If one of these companies' HQ's gets destroyed by a terrorist, the U.S. should not even blink. No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    But if the f*ckers don't reduce the prices of their plastic crap...let's send a Tomahawk missile into their Cayman Island post office box.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    OK. Lets do it then.

    But if the f*ckers don't reduce the prices of their plastic crap...let's send a Tomahawk missile into their Cayman Island post office box.
    Here is an idea PK, tell me what you think:

    1. Don't buy from over-priced sellers. Prices will fall as the market shifts.

    2. Open up a competitor, who does charge less for the same product. Busienss will come to you.

    Why is it the first inclination is to demand X, Y, Z instead of the individual doing X, Y, Z themselves?

    Why not fix taxes, and let the market (i.e. all of us) figure it out on it's own, who will succeed and who won't?

    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    They want all the benefits without paying their share.
    For once, I'd love to see a Liberal actually define (specificly) the meaning of "Fair Share". It seems to be a constantly moving target, to suit whatever new amount a Lib wants the State to take from one to give to others.

    They want the American consumer and will exploit any and everyone for their profits.
    "Exploit", lol.

    So when you walk into say, A Wal-Mart, they tie you down and force you to buy X at gunpoint eh?

    Standard issue BS, no personal responsabillity, no accountabillity for your own choices.

    No one (other than the Government) can "exploit" you if you do not permit them to.

    You want the benefits of the USA without paying for it.
    Like the 50% or so of US "taxpayers" who pay no net income taxes, for example? Or the illegals (12-20 million of them) who pay little to no taxes?

    Oh, right, sorry, forgot this was a "evil company touched me in bad places" thread. Please, continue to tell us teh sad tale of your exploitation by Wal-mart.

    If one of these companies' HQ's gets destroyed by a terrorist, the U.S. should not even blink. No?
    Unless they are in Libya, amirite?

    Hey, maybe we should just make all companies be owned by the People, by Government! That would fix all this ssilly freedom stuff, and we'd live in a Utopian dream of fairness and equallity then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    Isn't there risks for all of these countries who rely on these foreign countries? What if they just say hey FU we will take this and good day? I am willing to be the corporations will run back to the USA and ask for help because they "really" are American corporations. They want all the benefits without paying their share. They want the American consumer and will exploit any and everyone for their profits. It may seem pretty cool right now, but what goes around comes around. You want the benefits of the USA without paying for it.

    If one of these companies' HQ's gets destroyed by a terrorist, the U.S. should not even blink. No?
    We have the highest corporate tax rates in the World. The World, higher then the European Socialist countries.

    We also get the benifit of corporate profits that are made abroad I guess you don't like that either.

    So far NYC based corporations have taken the brunt of terrorist attacks.

    Guess what when public multinationals make money their shareholders make money in the form of Cap gains or interest. Those are also taxed. I guess you hope that comes around as well?

    Take a look at GM where do you think their profits come from the US or China?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Here is an idea PK, tell me what you think:

    1. Don't buy from over-priced sellers. Prices will fall as the market shifts.

    2. Open up a competitor, who does charge less for the same product. Busienss will come to you.

    Why is it the first inclination is to demand X, Y, Z instead of the individual doing X, Y, Z themselves?

    Why not fix taxes, and let the market (i.e. all of us) figure it out on it's own, who will succeed and who won't?



    For once, I'd love to see a Liberal actually define (specificly) the meaning of "Fair Share". It seems to be a constantly moving target, to suit whatever new amount a Lib wants the State to take from one to give to others.



    "Exploit", lol.

    So when you walk into say, A Wal-Mart, they tie you down and force you to buy X at gunpoint eh?

    Standard issue BS, no personal responsabillity, no accountabillity for your own choices.

    No one (other than the Government) can "exploit" you if you do not permit them to.



    Like the 50% or so of US "taxpayers" who pay no net income taxes, for example? Or the illegals (12-20 million of them) who pay little to no taxes?

    Oh, right, sorry, forgot this was a "evil company touched me in bad places" thread. Please, continue to tell us teh sad tale of your exploitation by Wal-mart.



    Unless they are in Libya, amirite?

    Hey, maybe we should just make all companies be owned by the People, by Government! That would fix all this ssilly freedom stuff, and we'd live in a Utopian dream of fairness and equallity then!
    Exploiting other countries labor force, you know China?

    Utopian dream? I forgot you are the only one to put words in others' mouths.

    Flat tax would be considered a Utopian dream, but you constantly bring it up like it is the only right way.

    I guess when another country knows a U.S company is protected by the U.S. it means nothing?

    Paying their share is horrible!!!! IRS code is joke right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    Exploiting other countries labor force, you know China?

    Utopian dream? I forgot you are the only one to put words in others' mouths.

    Flat tax would be considered a Utopian dream, but you constantly bring it up like it is the only right way.

    I guess when another country knows a U.S company is protected by the U.S. it means nothing?

    Paying their share is horrible!!!! IRS code is joke right?
    They are being asked to pay a stupid high uncompetitive rate. The Socialist Presidents own bipartisan commission recomended a huge cut in the corporate tax.

    It's costing the US jobs which costs the US taxable income, health benifits, homeowners and other good stuff. It raises prices. It keeps corporations from repatriating dollars and investing them off shore which costs us future jobs.

    This BS about corporations paying their fair share is just more nonesense. The tax code has become a football for the left to transfer wealth to their constituents and the Right to transfer wealth to their constituents. Nobody is calling for anyone to pay their fair share, everyone is calling for someone else to pay their share.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Here is an idea PK, tell me what you think:

    1. Don't buy from over-priced sellers. Prices will fall as the market shifts.

    2. Open up a competitor, who does charge less for the same product. Busienss will come to you.

    Why is it the first inclination is to demand X, Y, Z instead of the individual doing X, Y, Z themselves?

    Why not fix taxes, and let the market (i.e. all of us) figure it out on it's own, who will succeed and who won't?
    Any plans in the Republican controlled house to end corporate taxes?

    I'd be cool with that.

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