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    10 years and nothing has changed

    Either we nuke the place or come home. Afghanistan is a waste of time and money.

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/02/world/asia/02afghanistan.html?hp[/url]


    [QUOTE]Afghan Mob Kills 10 United Nations Workers


    KABUL, Afghanistan — Protesters angered by the burning of a Koran by a fringe American pastor in Florida mobbed offices of the United Nations in northern Afghanistan on Friday, killing ten foreign staff members and beheading two of the victims, according to an Afghan police spokesman. Five Afghans were also killed.


    The attack began when hundreds of demonstrators, some of them armed, poured out of mosques after Friday Prayer and headed to the headquarters of the United Nations in the northern city of Mazar-i-Sharif. They disarmed the guards and overran the compound, according to Lal Mohammad Ahmadzai, spokesman for Gen. Daoud Daoud, the Afghan National Police commander for northern Afghanistan.

    A spokesman for the United Nations Assistance Mission in Afghanistan, Kieran Dwyer, said the attack had occurred during a demonstration. “We can confirm there have been casualties, including U.N. personnel, but the situation on the ground remains very confusing,” he said. He added that Staffan de Mistura, the chief of the United Nations mission in Afghanistan, was en route to Mazar-i-Sharif.

    Tolo TV news in Kabul reported that the head of the United Nations mission in the city was among the victims, but that could not be confirmed.

    Mirwais Zabi, director of the public health hospital in Mazar-i-Sharif, said 24 wounded Afghan civilians and five dead Afghan civilians were brought to the hospital, with more wounded expected. Other reports said that the Afghan dead included some of the guards.

    Mr. Ahmadzai, the police spokesman, said the crowd was angry about the burning of the Koran by Pastor Terry Jones on Mar. 20. Mr. Jones had caused an international uproar by threatening to burn the Koran last Sept. 11, and demonstrations at the time led to deaths throughout Afghanistan, but on a small scale. Mr. Jones subsequently had publicly promised not to burn a Koran, but then went ahead last month, after holding a mock trial of the Koran at his fringe church in Gainesville, Fla.

    [B]After disarming the United Nations compound’s guards, the crowd surged inside. Eight of the foreign staffers, whose nationalities were not known immediately, were killed by gunfire, and two others were captured and then beheaded, Mr. Ahmadzai said.[/B] He added that 15 people had so far been arrested for their part in the attack, and that the Afghan authorities had brought the situation under control.

    [B]Elsewhere in Afghanistan, six American soldiers have been killed in a single operation in eastern Afghanistan on Wednesday and Thursday, a spokesman for the international coalition said Friday. [/B]
    “I can confirm that six coalition soldiers have been identified as US soldiers, and were all killed as part of the same operation, but in three separate incidents,” said Maj. Tim James.

    The operation, a helicopter-borne assault into a remote part of Kunar Province close to the Pakistani border, was ongoing. The area is frequently used to infiltrate fighters from Pakistan. The purpose of the operation, Major James said, was to “disrupt insurgent operations.”

    The governor of Kunar Province, Said Fazlullah Wahidi, said the operation began Wednesday as a joint Afghan and American air and ground operation in the districts of Sarkani and Marawara, close to the border of Pakistan. He said that 14 insurgents were killed and 10 wounded, but had no information about Afghan government casualties.



    Sharifullah Sahak contributed reporting.[/QUOTE]

    We are still lossing men and treasure, the mission to win Hearts and minds is a continuing cluster f. Time to pack it in.
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    DOD is vested, they have so much going on there it is going to be a very long time before we are out of there.

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    You know how sometimes an aggressive non native fish or plant invades a lake here in the US and authorities kill off the entire lake then restock it with native species?

    I say we neutron bomb the hell out of the place, wait a few years until the radiation subsides, then reseed it with Christians.....

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;3992366]I agree, problem is when we leave you know Al Qaeda and the Taliban are coming right back across the Pakastani border to retake control of that dump and reinstitute their terrorist training camps/operational facilities.[/QUOTE]

    and when they do, we send these after them.

    [IMG]http://reddogreport.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Predotor-Drone-Firing-Missile.jpg[/IMG]

    We do that in in countries like Yemen and Somalia without having boots on the ground. (Other than the CIA of course)
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    Leaving AG will piss off companies like DOW, Johnson Controls who are makers of batteries. They want to get a firm grip on the LI.

    EV's are coming.

    As for getting the boots off of the ground, We can always employ mercenary firms to do combat. Some here just seem to miss this point.

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;3992373]Can we be honest?

    Trump is right, we were a lot better off when the middle east was under a strong western/colonial influence.

    The leftist elites successfully portrayed that as evil, we pulled back, and we've been f**ked ever since.[/QUOTE]

    To bad that strong Western/Colonial influence was undermined by theft greed Nazism and Communism.

    Blacks were better off under slavery?

    You are way to nostalgic for times that weren't all that good.

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;3992373]Can we be honest?

    Trump is right, we were a lot better off when the middle east was under a strong western/colonial influence.

    The leftist elites successfully portrayed that as evil, we pulled back, and we've been f**ked ever since.[/QUOTE]

    Exactly right. The middle east pretty much went to hell in a hand basket when Jimmy(sissy)Carter abandoned the Shah Of Iran and left him hung out to dry.

    Now we have Black Jimmy(sissy II) showing his total ineptness when dealing with the middle east..... and it's only going to get worse with the community organizer at the helm........

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    Really we should just get it over with and bomb the place (nuke them) and GTFO .. why we aren't doing this is beyond me. No matter who is President it seems like this isn't going to change, either.

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;3992388]The middle east pretty much went to hell in a hand basket when Jimmy(sissy)Carter abandoned the Shah Of Iran and left him hung out to dry.[/QUOTE]

    LMFAO!!!!!!!!



    <sniff>





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    You're serious, aren't you? Oh gawd...

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;3992394]Thats exactly the kind of leftist nonsense that got us into this mess, comparing colonial influence in the middle east to slavery, shaming and guilting us into leaving and creating a gap for Nazis, Communists and worst of all radical Islamists, and we've been in a never ending war with these people ever since.

    The Shah of Iran was a bad guy, but he was out puppet in Iran and WE were a lot better off when he ran the place.

    Khomeini and the Iranian revolution was an unmitigated disaster for the west, and the middle east dominos have been falling in that (radical Islamist) direction ever since.[/QUOTE]

    So we stand for freedom of all peoples in countries. We will fight on your side to help facilitate your freedom.

    But when warranted, if the American economy and its people so desire, it would be appropriate to "colonize" and establish a version of a rule of law and impose it on the natives in order for us to achieve our ambitions, whatever they may be?

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;3992392]LMFAO!!!!!!!!



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    You're serious, aren't you? Oh gawd...[/QUOTE]

    Yes........

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;3992394]Thats exactly the kind of leftist nonsense that got us into this mess, comparing colonial influence in the middle east to slavery, shaming and guilting us into leaving and creating a gap for Nazis, Communists and worst of all radical Islamists, and we've been in a never ending war with these people ever since.

    The Shah of Iran was a bad guy, but he was our puppet in Iran and WE were a lot better off when he ran the place.

    Khomeini and the Iranian revolution was an unmitigated disaster for the west, and the middle east dominos have been falling in that (radical Islamist) direction ever since.[/QUOTE]

    The Shah of Iran became a sick old man just like Mubarak. Life moves on they have the internet now. We can't keep destroying everything at the end of a gun barrell in corners of the world without people noticing and unless your willing to be a ruthless Nazi and do it in the open, it ain't going work.

    Speaking of Colonial powers being defeated you think the left was responsible for England failing in the US colonies?
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    [QUOTE=Ha Ha Ha;3992398]But when warranted, if the American economy and its people so desire, it would be appropriate to "colonize" and establish a version of a rule of law and impose it on the natives in order for us to achieve our ambitions, whatever they may be?[/QUOTE]

    Our goal should be quite clear.

    Do any and everything possible to avoid continuous breeding of terrorists hell bent on destroying the western way of life and the people who live it.

    Half ass attempts at destroying militant groups who don't wear uniforms is only going to further piss on the hornets nest.

    You can't reason with a people who live like it's two centuries ago. So take them back to that time and reason with whoever is standing when the dust settles.

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;3992394]
    Khomeini and the Iranian revolution was an unmitigated disaster for the west, and the middle east dominos have been falling in that (radical Islamist) direction ever since.[/QUOTE]

    GJ&H we can't control other countries.

    Churchill couldn't control Iraq

    The CIA can't control Iran.

    it's not something we can actually do.

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;3992388]Exactly right. The middle east pretty much went to hell in a hand basket when Jimmy(sissy)Carter abandoned the Shah Of Iran and left him hung out to dry.

    Now we have Black Jimmy(sissy II) showing his total ineptness when dealing with the middle east..... and it's only going to get worse with the community organizer at the helm........[/QUOTE]
    So, Dutch should have put boots on the ground in Iran? What are you saying?

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;3992448]Winston, when the west exterted greater influence in the middle east was there genocide?

    Ethnic cleasning?

    Were we sending people to the gas chambers?

    Was anyone enslaved?

    I would argue the people of the middle east led a more peaceful existance for the most part, free from Islamist rule and all that entails ... they (the Islamists) are the ones who kill women for taking a leak without asking permission, so how do the people of Iran have it better now?

    Did the Iranian revolution create a better life for the Iranian people?

    Granted, the Shah was no Thomas Jefferson, in the words of Mo Green, sometimes he had to kick a few @$$es, but was he worse for the people of Iran than Khoemeini and the nut cases who rule Iran now?[/QUOTE]

    The West was Europe who rutinely went to foreign lands over centuries and wiped out the indegenous populations who didn't bend to their will and stole their resources.

    Look what we did to the Indians right here on our own continent and look at what the Spanish did in Central and South America.

    You think Africa, the ME or India was different? Stop living in some Christian fantasy. The intelectual right invented the Nazi's and facism not that long ago.

    The Iranian revolution was a cluster F and has its roots in the Cold war.

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;3992404]By that time the guilt trip was complete and Carter was determined to portray himself as anti colonialist.

    20 Years earlier we would have backed the Shah to the hilt and did what was in our own best interest, without apology, but the leftist elites and acedemics convinced us it was evil (racist) to consider our own self interest ... and now we're living with the results.[/QUOTE]
    I think you are forgetting that the USSR was getting their ass handed to them; we were taking a stance (boycotting the Olympics) against their aggression (serious aggression) on the world stage.

    And the lefties are the ones responsible for this? You are really reaching.

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    Kill! Kill! Kill! Spend money to kill yet some more! Yay! We win!

    Why would the crazies ever get it in their insane heads that we should be the targets of their terror?:rolleyes:

    People never learn.

    We should mind our own God damn issues at home. We got plenty of them. And no one has to die trying to fix them.

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;3992487]Okay maybe you guys (WCO/Winston) have a point, I'm just saying this current battle with radical Islam seemingly has no end in sight and [B]it all started with the Iranian revolution[/B], that was the beginning of the Islamist ascendancy throughout the ME and the taking of our hostages was the first sign of things to come, and that revolution was rooted in anti colonialism, not only in Iran, but in our own tepid response as well.

    In the end maybe there wasn't anything we could do about it, but all of our current problems with radical Islam started with Khomeini and the Iranian revolution and in retrospect if there was anything we could have done to crush that rebellion we should have done it without apology.[/QUOTE]

    That's where it all started, huh?

    Silly me. I thought I heard that our allegiance with Israel might have something to do with it. But to suggest such a thing would be anti-Semetic. Right? We need those votes.

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    [QUOTE=Green Jets & Ham;3992497]I agree, I'd like to get the hell out of there right now and never step foot back in the ME, unfortunately our problems with radical Islam don't end there, [B]we were minding our own business on 9/11 [/B]and they want to hit us even harder next time, all of our intelligence reports indicate they mean to hit us again and again and again on American soil, so the problem doesn't go away when we leave the ME[/QUOTE]

    I'm sorry. But this is just wrong.

    I'm not saying we're to blame for 9/11. But those attacks were not motivated by us "minding our own business".

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