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    [QUOTE=Jet_Engine1;4001863]No they don't, kid. My wife (before we were married and she received covereage from my health insurance) used to go to PP for birth control and they offer nothing of a preventive nature. Nothing. They do exams in order to provide birth control, perform pregnancy tests, and perform abortions...they do NOT do breast cancer screenings. They are an abortion/birth control mill. Period.

    But you can continue to prove you are either disingenuous, ignorant, or both.

    But let me guess, you "know" these things to be true because Rachel Maddow told you...[/QUOTE]

    Yes they do old man. My sisters use to go once a year after my mother passed away. And it wasn't for abortions. Planned Parenthood provides annual exams on sliding scale based on your income. Don't take my word for it, call them.
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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4001878]"procedure"... lol[/QUOTE]

    Yeah. Anencephaly is a b*tch.

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    Republicans are living in the past. Roe V Wade and Medicare was 60 years ago fellas. It's over. Move on.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4001949]Republicans are living in the past. Roe V Wade and Medicare was 60 years ago fellas. It's over. Move on.[/QUOTE]

    Same old Bit.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4001949]Republicans are living in the past. Roe V Wade and Medicare was 60 years ago fellas. It's over. Move on.[/QUOTE]

    If it's broke, don't fix it. Solid logic.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4001949]Republicans are living in the past. Roe V Wade and Medicare was 60 years ago fellas. It's over. Move on.[/QUOTE]

    They can't.

    Next up on the right wing OMG PANIC machine?

    Teh gheys. Expect to hear about teh gheys in the next few months.

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    [QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4001923]Yes they do old man. My sisters use to go once a year after my mother passed away. And it wasn't for abortions. Planned Parenthood provides annual exams on sliding scale based on your income. Don't take my word for it, call them.[/QUOTE]

    This is true.

    My oldest daughter has friends who rely on PP for basic healthcare because their jobs do not include healthcare insurance.

    Thankfully one such exam caught something pretty serious in its early stages.

    Rachael Maddow didn't tell me about this.

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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4002000]If it's broke, don't fix it. Solid logic.[/QUOTE]

    it wasn't broken in the Reagan or Bush admins. Now there's a democrat in power it's time to ban abortion and repeal socialist medicine. how broken are these things?

    Meanwhile we are spending more on defense than we did in the cold war but there's no USSR to outspend. Our enemies hide in caves.

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    The only folks who want Roe V Wade overturned less than the pro-choice movement is the Republican Party. If Roe V Wade was overturned the Republicans would lose 20% of its voters. The GOP loves Roe V Wade. That ruling has won them at least 2 Presidencies.


    I say let it happen and let abortion go back to the States. The Northern states would continue to allow abortions and the Southern States would make it illegal. And then Southern women would travel up north to get abortions.

    Politically, there would be fewer Republicans in Congress. And the opposition to the truly important stuff like funding for education, infrastructure and energy would decrease. And with that future generations of Americans would prosper.

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    I think it's pretty simple. If you want health care as an individual, pay for it. Either in cash or get insurance to pay. If you don't have it at work - buy it.
    You say you're too poor? Cut out the drugs and booze and big TVs, you'll have more money. Quit having serial sex.
    Find a free clinic for health care - there are plenty of them with doctors donating time just like lawyers doing pro bono.
    I have sympathy for those born disabled and disabled (by wound) veterans. They need a safety net. People who cause their own problems - no sympathy. Life is tough and we should earn the benefits we should receive. Planned Parenthood is a boondoggle and much of Medicaid is also.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4001949]Republicans are living in the past. Roe V Wade and Medicare was 60 years ago fellas. It's over. Move on.[/QUOTE]

    Democrats are living in the past. Communism failed. It's over. Move on.

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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4002390]Democrats are living in the past. Communism failed. It's over. Move on.[/QUOTE]

    China is a failed state?

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    This Thread Needs a Reality Injection

    [url]http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-planned-parenthood/2011/04/14/AFogj1iD_story.html[/url]

    Let's examine those false planned parenthood claims made by republicans:


    [B][SIZE="3"]2. Ninety percent of what Planned Parenthood does is provide abortions.[/SIZE][/B]

    That is what Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said this month in a speech against federal support for Planned Parenthood; his staff later said his assertion was “not intended to be a factual statement.”

    [B]Here is a factual statement: Planned Parenthood’s abortion care represents 3 percent of its medical services — 332,000 terminations out of a total of 11.4 million services provided in 2009. Nearly all the care offered at Planned Parenthood health centers is preventive services and screenings, including contraception, testing for sexually transmitted infections, pap smears and breast exams. Title X funds cannot be used for abortion care at any time, for any reason. [/B]Federal Medicaid funds can be used to reimburse a provider for an abortion when the pregnancy would endanger the life of the woman or resulted from rape or incest.

    States can use their local tax dollars to support abortion care for low-income women, and 17 states do so under Medicaid. The capital city did, too — until last week, when Congress overturned the District’s Medicaid abortion coverage.


    [B][SIZE="3"]3. Defunding Planned Parenthood will reduce abortions.[/SIZE][/B]

    [B]Contraception prevents the need for abortions, but most politicians who oppose abortion do not support birth control, either. [/B]Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), the chief House sponsor of a bill to bar abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood from Title X, has praised a few elements of the program: pregnancy tests, breast cancer screening and HIV testing. He never mentions Title X’s essential work for 41 years — to provide information about and access to birth control, which 99 percent of Americans will use in their lifetime.

    Women spend about five years either being pregnant or trying to get pregnant, and about 30 years trying not to get pregnant; the Guttmacher Institute estimates that half of the country’s unintended pregnancies end in abortion. If Pence wants to prevent abortions, he should lead the charge to triple Title X funding.

    Instead, Pence has voted to eliminate Title X, and he has no answer for where the 5.2 million people served by that program would get care. Planned Parenthood centers offer contraception to nearly 2.5 million patients a year and serves 36 percent of all Title X patients.

    [B][SIZE="3"]Barring Planned Parenthood from participating in federal programs would lead to less access to birth control, more unintended pregnancies and more abortions.[/SIZE][/B]








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    [QUOTE=TerminatorJet;4002466][URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-planned-parenthood/2011/04/14/AFogj1iD_story.html[/URL]

    Let's examine those false planned parenthood claims made by republicans:


    [B][SIZE=3]2. Ninety percent of what Planned Parenthood does is provide abortions.[/SIZE][/B]

    That is what Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.) said this month in a speech against federal support for Planned Parenthood; his staff later said his assertion was “not intended to be a factual statement.”

    [B]Here is a factual statement: Planned Parenthood’s abortion care represents 3 percent of its medical services — 332,000 terminations out of a total of 11.4 million services provided in 2009. Nearly all the care offered at Planned Parenthood health centers is preventive services and screenings, including contraception, testing for sexually transmitted infections, pap smears and breast exams. Title X funds cannot be used for abortion care at any time, for any reason. [/B]Federal Medicaid funds can be used to reimburse a provider for an abortion when the pregnancy would endanger the life of the woman or resulted from rape or incest.

    States can use their local tax dollars to support abortion care for low-income women, and 17 states do so under Medicaid. The capital city did, too — until last week, when Congress overturned the District’s Medicaid abortion coverage.


    [B][SIZE=3]3. Defunding Planned Parenthood will reduce abortions.[/SIZE][/B]

    [B]Contraception prevents the need for abortions, but most politicians who oppose abortion do not support birth control, either. [/B]Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.), the chief House sponsor of a bill to bar abortion providers such as Planned Parenthood from Title X, has praised a few elements of the program: pregnancy tests, breast cancer screening and HIV testing. He never mentions Title X’s essential work for 41 years — to provide information about and access to birth control, which 99 percent of Americans will use in their lifetime.

    Women spend about five years either being pregnant or trying to get pregnant, and about 30 years trying not to get pregnant; the Guttmacher Institute estimates that half of the country’s unintended pregnancies end in abortion. If Pence wants to prevent abortions, he should lead the charge to triple Title X funding.

    Instead, Pence has voted to eliminate Title X, and he has no answer for where the 5.2 million people served by that program would get care. Planned Parenthood centers offer contraception to nearly 2.5 million patients a year and serves 36 percent of all Title X patients.

    [B][SIZE=3]Barring Planned Parenthood from participating in federal programs would lead to less access to birth control, more unintended pregnancies and more abortions.[/SIZE][/B]








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    Ahem, VT the 3% was already refuted earlier in the thread

    [URL]http://www.jetsinsider.com/forums/showpost.php?p=4001388&postcount=12[/URL]

    but it bears repeating

    From Eugenics for Minorities, I mean Planned Unparenthood themselves:

    [LEFT][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=2][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=2][B]Percentage of Planned Parenthood health care clients[/B][/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=2][/LEFT]

    [/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Courier][SIZE=2][FONT=Courier][SIZE=2]o [/SIZE][/FONT]
    [LEFT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=2][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=2]age 20 and older: [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman]79[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/B]

    [FONT=Courier][SIZE=2][FONT=Courier][SIZE=2]o [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT]
    [FONT=Courier][SIZE=2]

    [LEFT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=2][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=2]with incomes at or below 150 percent of the federal poverty level: [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman]75[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/B]

    [FONT=Courier][SIZE=2][FONT=Courier][SIZE=2]o [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT]
    [FONT=Courier][SIZE=2]

    [LEFT][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=2][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=2]who receive services to prevent unintended pregnancy: [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][B][SIZE=2][SIZE=2][FONT=Times New Roman]83[/FONT][/SIZE][/SIZE][/B]
    [FONT=Courier][SIZE=2][FONT=Courier][SIZE=2]o [/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][SIZE=3][U][FONT=Helvetica][FONT=Helvetica]who receive abortion services: [/FONT][/FONT][B][FONT=Helvetica-Bold][FONT=Helvetica-Bold][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5]12[/SIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/FONT][/B][/U][/SIZE]
    [B][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=5]-> [URL="http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_by_the_Numbers.pdf"][SIZE=3]http://www.plannedparenthood.org/files/PPFA/PP_by_the_Numbers.pdf[/SIZE][/URL][/SIZE][/FONT][/B][/LEFT]

    [LEFT]and that's probably an gross understatement - if 332,278 abortions performed at Planned Parenthood in 2009 are counted as these first trimester surgical abortions, then the revenue generated by abortion ($451 avg price) would be $149.9 million. This would represent a full 37% of the $404.9 million in “health center income” Planned Parenthood reported for the fiscal year ending June 30, 2009 (Planned Parenthood Federation of America, Annual Report, 2008-2009,”The Promise of Change,” p.29)[/LEFT]

    [LEFT]Given that Planned Parenthood clinics advertise and perform more expensive chemical abortions with abortifacients like RU486 (average price paid $483) and later surgical abortions (average price of $1562 at 20 weeks), the revenue stream generated by abortion and the percentage of clinic income it represents at Planned Parenthood is probably much higher.[/LEFT]

    [LEFT][URL="http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.org/news/2011/04/why-the-claim-that-abortion-is-%E2%80%9Conly-3-of-planned-parenthood%E2%80%99s-services%E2%80%9D-is-so-radically-misleading/"]http://www.nationalrighttolifenews.o...ly-misleading/[/URL][/LEFT]

    [LEFT]Anyway, One-third of Planned Parenthood's revenues come from government grants. That roughly mirrors the cost of snuffing fetuses.
    Libs can surely pony up the difference to keep the body count growing if the feds abort funding (heh!)...or maybe PP can redirect their estimated $10M for lobbying back to providing "services"...or cut out the 1% of
    adoption referrals they do altogether..or maybe use some of their own surplus...they are a fairly affluent organization for a non-profit (a budget surplus of $114 million and assets of more than $1 billion). Perhaps they can sell stock?[/LEFT]

    [LEFT]And sure, if 79% of the PP clientele (who are over 20) pared down on their cable TV or text messaging, they might be able to afford their own birth control-the sense of entitlement from the left astounds[/LEFT]

    [LEFT]Gotta love those ACORN-style stings too....Planned Parenthood clinic employees were willing to tell a caller posing as a 13-year-old girl with a 22-year-old boyfriend how she could avoid triggering mandatory child sex abuse reporting requirements (statutory rape) at the clinic...another was a UCLA-affiliated group's posing as an openly racist donor seeking to make sure his check could be earmarked to abort "a black baby.".. Planned Parenthood officers in at least four states agreed not only to accept the racists' check, but to actually earmark the donation for that purpose. "The less black kids the better," the caller tells one Planned Parenthood employee. "For whatever reason we'll accept the money," was one typical response. [/LEFT]
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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4002119]This is true.

    My oldest daughter has friends who rely on PP for basic healthcare because their jobs do not include healthcare insurance.

    Thankfully one such exam caught something pretty serious in its early stages.

    Rachael Maddow didn't tell me about this.[/QUOTE]

    While I'm hopeful your daughters friend is now doing well and am thankful the 'pretty serious' thing you mention was caught early... If she had a job that didn't provide healthcare, she could have easily obtained it via her own means.

    If she can't afford it, she should look into other industries...

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    [QUOTE=Revi$_I$l@nd;4002518]...she could have easily obtained it via her own means....[/QUOTE]

    LMFAO!!!!!

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4002461]China is a failed state?[/QUOTE]

    I'll tell you what, why don't you ask the State Department, Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, etc. etc. if they think the Chinese government is a successful one.

    And maybe you should think about their response before you propose we go down that road.

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    [QUOTE=Revi$_I$l@nd;4002518]While I'm hopeful your daughters friend is now doing well and am thankful the 'pretty serious' thing you mention was caught early... If she had a job that didn't provide healthcare, she could have easily obtained it via her own means.

    If she can't afford it, she should look into other industries...[/QUOTE]

    Are you from the real world? :confused:

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    [QUOTE=Revi$_I$l@nd;4002518]While I'm hopeful your daughters friend is now doing well and am thankful the 'pretty serious' thing you mention was caught early... If she had a job that didn't provide healthcare,[B] she could have easily obtained it via her own means.[/B]

    [B]If she can't afford it, she should look into other industries...[/B][/QUOTE]

    [IMG]http://images.mylot.com/userImages/images/postphotos/2390572.gif[/IMG]

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4002529]Are you from the real world? :confused:[/QUOTE]

    Certainly. Without knowing what she does, I'm certainly not going to pretend to give her advice on what type of insurance to garner but there are affordable HSA and PPO plans to be had for an individual.

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