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    Should There Be a National Civil War Museum in DC?

    Like the other big Museums, Air & Space, Natl. History, Holocaust, etc.

    A Big, Marble Hall filled to the brim of History, specificly Civil War History, both Political/Economic (the why) and Millitary (the what) and Social/Slavery (the who/why).

    Sure, it would be hard as hell to get consensus on what and how it should be portrayed (like anything in the US), but it seems a shame this incredably vital piece of our National History and Identity is not yet enshrined in it's own BODCM (Big Ol' DC Museum).

    See, now thats a way I'd LIKE to see my tax dollars spent.

    Thread somewhat inspired by this article: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/17/northcivil-war-sites-events-long-forgotten/?test=faces[/url]

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    wars are usually turned into memorials (Vietnam, WWII) not usually museums. If there was a civil war museum it might make more sense to have it near Charleston or another major battlefield site. I do agree it's an incredible story that is under-told.

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    Memorial/Museum.. yes

    Should also start looking into an Iraq War Memorial.

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    No.

    (See, I answered your question, once again.) :D

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    Went to Gettysburg about 15 years ago and was fascinated at the museums and other educational attractions they had there. With the actual battle fields so close at hand, the total experience was awesome.

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    [QUOTE=parkwayjet1;4003434]Went to Gettysburg about 15 years ago and was fascinated at the museums and other educational attractions they had there. With the actual battle fields so close at hand, the total experience was awesome.[/QUOTE]

    Battlefield museums are a whole nother kettle of fish from a general civil war museum. One person's war to preserve the Union is another person's war of Northern aggression. Not to mention confederate flags, states righters, white supremacists, Lincoln haters, Lee haters, Calhounites, and a whole host of people who haven't agreed that the war is even over. It would be a kettle brewing trouble.

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    [QUOTE=long island leprechaun;4003516]states righters, white supremacists,[/QUOTE]

    :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4003249]wars are usually turned into memorials (Vietnam, WWII) not usually museums. If there was a civil war museum it might make more sense to have it near Charleston or another major battlefield site. I do agree it's an incredible story that is under-told.[/QUOTE]

    While we are sometimes at odds in our opinions, I agree. I am now a full time Charleston, SC resident. This is where the Civil War began. They have maintained many of the old war sites. Plus the city is 100+years older than DC, has a great deal more charm and style and is inhabited by the most polite and courteous people in the U.S. A great city. More pre Revolution buildings (pre French and Indian War as well) than any city in the country.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4003249]wars are usually turned into memorials (Vietnam, WWII) not usually museums. If there was a civil war museum it might make more sense to have it near Charleston or another major battlefield site. I do agree it's an incredible story that is under-told.[/QUOTE]

    I agree 100%, although DC might be interesting because it's somewhat a neutral site... below the Mason-Dixon line but still the capitol of the United States. Wherever it is, there should be one. It was one of the most important times in the history of this country.

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    Should also start looking into an Iraq War Memorial.[/QUOTE]

    I think the war should end first.

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    Isn't 90% of the South a giant Civil War Museum?

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    [QUOTE=sourceworx;4003543]Isn't 90% of the South a giant Civil War Museum?[/QUOTE]

    Indeed. And they don't like "outsiders" :D

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4003548]Indeed. And they don't like "outsiders" :D

    "Good morning. How y'all doing?"

    "STFU and let me pay for my gas. I don't want to have a f*cking conversation with you"

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    Nice avatar :D

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4003524]:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Hey, General Lee, let me offer the first document for the Museum:

    [B]A Declaration of the Immediate Causes which Induce and Justify the Secession of the State of Mississippi from the Federal Union.[/B]
    In the momentous step which our State has taken of dissolving its connection with the government of which we so long formed a part, it is but just that we should declare the prominent reasons which have induced our course.
    Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery-- the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the black race can bear exposure to the tropical sun. These products have become necessities of the world, and a blow at slavery is a blow at commerce and civilization. That blow has been long aimed at the institution, and was at the point of reaching its consummation. There was no choice left us but submission to the mandates of abolition, or a dissolution of the Union, whose principles had been subverted to work out our ruin.
    That we do not overstate the dangers to our institution, a reference to a few facts will sufficiently prove.
    The hostility to this institution commenced before the adoption of the Constitution, and was manifested in the well-known Ordinance of 1787, in regard to the Northwestern Territory.
    The feeling increased, until, in 1819-20, it deprived the South of more than half the vast territory acquired from France.
    The same hostility dismembered Texas and seized upon all the territory acquired from Mexico.
    It has grown until it denies the right of property in slaves, and refuses protection to that right on the high seas, in the Territories, and wherever the government of the United States had jurisdiction.
    It refuses the admission of new slave States into the Union, and seeks to extinguish it by confining it within its present limits, denying the power of expansion.
    It tramples the original equality of the South under foot.
    It has nullified the Fugitive Slave Law in almost every free State in the Union, and has utterly broken the compact which our fathers pledged their faith to maintain.
    It advocates negro equality, socially and politically, and promotes insurrection and incendiarism in our midst.
    It has enlisted its press, its pulpit and its schools against us, until the whole popular mind of the North is excited and inflamed with prejudice.
    It has made combinations and formed associations to carry out its schemes of emancipation in the States and wherever else slavery exists.
    It seeks not to elevate or to support the slave, but to destroy his present condition without providing a better.
    It has invaded a State, and invested with the honors of martyrdom the wretch whose purpose was to apply flames to our dwellings, and the weapons of destruction to our lives.
    It has broken every compact into which it has entered for our security.
    It has given indubitable evidence of its design to ruin our agriculture, to prostrate our industrial pursuits and to destroy our social system.
    It knows no relenting or hesitation in its purposes; it stops not in its march of aggression, and leaves us no room to hope for cessation or for pause.
    It has recently obtained control of the Government, by the prosecution of its unhallowed schemes, and destroyed the last expectation of living together in friendship and brotherhood.
    Utter subjugation awaits us in the Union, if we should consent longer to remain in it. It is not a matter of choice, but of necessity. We must either submit to degradation, and to the loss of property worth four billions of money, or we must secede from the Union framed by our fathers, to secure this as well as every other species of property. For far less cause than this, our fathers separated from the Crown of England. Our decision is made. We follow their footsteps. We embrace the alternative of separation; and for the reasons here stated, we resolve to maintain our rights with the full consciousness of the justice of our course, and the undoubting belief of our ability to maintain it.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;4003534]I agree 100%, although DC might be interesting because it's somewhat a neutral site... below the Mason-Dixon line but still the capitol of the United States. Wherever it is, there should be one. It was one of the most important times in the history of this country.



    I think the war should end first.[/QUOTE]

    It is over, combat troops left last August, those 50K troops left over will never leave. Just like they never left Germany or Korea.

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    [QUOTE=long island leprechaun;4003588][IMG]http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQWAWISGC-FpvTsdin9Rh_DOtNq2I9Y1KeeUq0Yvt4h8ejAJhNR[/IMG][/QUOTE]

    Fixed.

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    [QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4003599]It is over, combat troops left last August, those 50K troops left over will never leave. Just like they never left Germany or Korea.[/QUOTE]

    Tell that to the parents and loved ones of the soldiers killed there this past month. I dare you.

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    How about them Texans? Here's their declaration....

    [B]A Declaration of the Causes which Impel the State of Texas to Secede from the Federal Union.[/B]
    The government of the United States, by certain joint resolutions, bearing date the 1st day of March, in the year A.D. 1845, proposed to the Republic of Texas, then *a free, sovereign and independent nation* [emphasis in the original], the annexation of the latter to the former, as one of the co-equal states thereof,
    The people of Texas, by deputies in convention assembled, on the fourth day of July of the same year, assented to and accepted said proposals and formed a constitution for the proposed State, upon which on the 29th day of December in the same year, said State was formally admitted into the Confederated Union.
    Texas abandoned her separate national existence and consented to become one of the Confederated Union to promote her welfare, insure domestic tranquility and secure more substantially the blessings of peace and liberty to her people. She was received into the confederacy with her own constitution, under the guarantee of the federal constitution and the compact of annexation, that she should enjoy these blessings. She was received as a commonwealth holding, maintaining and protecting the institution known as negro slavery-- the servitude of the African to the white race within her limits-- a relation that had existed from the first settlement of her wilderness by the white race, and which her people intended should exist in all future time. Her institutions and geographical position established the strongest ties between her and other slave-holding States of the confederacy. Those ties have been strengthened by association. But what has been the course of the government of the United States, and of the people and authorities of the non-slave-holding States, since our connection with them?
    The controlling majority of the Federal Government, under various pretences and disguises, has so administered the same as to exclude the citizens of the Southern States, unless under odious and unconstitutional restrictions, from all the immense territory owned in common by all the States on the Pacific Ocean, for the avowed purpose of acquiring sufficient power in the common government to use it as a means of destroying the institutions of Texas and her sister slaveholding States.
    By the disloyalty of the Northern States and their citizens and the imbecility of the Federal Government, infamous combinations of incendiaries and outlaws have been permitted in those States and the common territory of Kansas to trample upon the federal laws, to war upon the lives and property of Southern citizens in that territory, and finally, by violence and mob law, to usurp the possession of the same as exclusively the property of the Northern States.
    The Federal Government, while but partially under the control of these our unnatural and sectional enemies, has for years almost entirely failed to protect the lives and property of the people of Texas against the Indian savages on our border, and more recently against the murderous forays of banditti from the neighboring territory of Mexico; and when our State government has expended large amounts for such purpose, the Federal Government has refuse reimbursement therefor, thus rendering our condition more insecure and harassing than it was during the existence of the Republic of Texas.
    These and other wrongs we have patiently borne in the vain hope that a returning sense of justice and humanity would induce a different course of administration.
    When we advert to the course of individual non-slave-holding States, and that a majority of their citizens, our grievances assume far greater magnitude.
    The States of Maine, Vermont, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, Massachusetts, New York, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa, by solemn legislative enactments, have deliberately, directly or indirectly violated the 3rd clause of the 2nd section of the 4th article [the fugitive slave clause] of the federal constitution, and laws passed in pursuance thereof; thereby annulling a material provision of the compact, designed by its framers to perpetuate the amity between the members of the confederacy and to secure the rights of the slave-holding States in their domestic institutions-- a provision founded in justice and wisdom, and without the enforcement of which the compact fails to accomplish the object of its creation. Some of those States have imposed high fines and degrading penalties upon any of their citizens or officers who may carry out in good faith that provision of the compact, or the federal laws enacted in accordance therewith.
    In all the non-slave-holding States, in violation of that good faith and comity which should exist between entirely distinct nations, the people have formed themselves into a great sectional party, now strong enough in numbers to control the affairs of each of those States, based upon an unnatural feeling of hostility to these Southern States and their beneficent and patriarchal system of African slavery, proclaiming the debasing doctrine of equality of all men, irrespective of race or color-- a doctrine at war with nature, in opposition to the experience of mankind, and in violation of the plainest revelations of Divine Law. They demand the abolition of negro slavery throughout the confederacy, the recognition of political equality between the white and negro races, and avow their determination to press on their crusade against us, so long as a negro slave remains in these States.
    For years past this abolition organization has been actively sowing the seeds of discord through the Union, and has rendered the federal congress the arena for spreading firebrands and hatred between the slave-holding and non-slave-holding States.
    By consolidating their strength, they have placed the slave-holding States in a hopeless minority in the federal congress, and rendered representation of no avail in protecting Southern rights against their exactions and encroachments.
    They have proclaimed, and at the ballot box sustained, the revolutionary doctrine that there is a 'higher law' than the constitution and laws of our Federal Union, and virtually that they will disregard their oaths and trample upon our rights.
    They have for years past encouraged and sustained lawless organizations to steal our slaves and prevent their recapture, and have repeatedly murdered Southern citizens while lawfully seeking their rendition.
    They have invaded Southern soil and murdered unoffending citizens, and through the press their leading men and a fanatical pulpit have bestowed praise upon the actors and assassins in these crimes, while the governors of several of their States have refused to deliver parties implicated and indicted for participation in such offenses, upon the legal demands of the States aggrieved.
    They have, through the mails and hired emissaries, sent seditious pamphlets and papers among us to stir up servile insurrection and bring blood and carnage to our firesides.
    They have sent hired emissaries among us to burn our towns and distribute arms and poison to our slaves for the same purpose.
    They have impoverished the slave-holding States by unequal and partial legislation, thereby enriching themselves by draining our substance.
    They have refused to vote appropriations for protecting Texas against ruthless savages, for the sole reason that she is a slave-holding State.
    And, finally, by the combined sectional vote of the seventeen non-slave-holding States, they have elected as president and vice-president of the whole confederacy two men whose chief claims to such high positions are their approval of these long continued wrongs, and their pledges to continue them to the final consummation of these schemes for the ruin of the slave-holding States.
    In view of these and many other facts, it is meet that our own views should be distinctly proclaimed.
    We hold as undeniable truths that the governments of the various States, and of the confederacy itself, were established exclusively by the white race, for themselves and their posterity; that the African race had no agency in their establishment; that they were rightfully held and regarded as an inferior and dependent race, and in that condition only could their existence in this country be rendered beneficial or tolerable.
    That in this free government *all white men are and of right ought to be entitled to equal civil and political rights* [emphasis in the original]; that the servitude of the African race, as existing in these States, is mutually beneficial to both bond and free, and is abundantly authorized and justified by the experience of mankind, and the revealed will of the Almighty Creator, as recognized by all Christian nations; while the destruction of the existing relations between the two races, as advocated by our sectional enemies, would bring inevitable calamities upon both and desolation upon the fifteen slave-holding states.
    By the secession of six of the slave-holding States, and the certainty that others will speedily do likewise, Texas has no alternative but to remain in an isolated connection with the North, or unite her destinies with the South.
    For these and other reasons, solemnly asserting that the federal constitution has been violated and virtually abrogated by the several States named, seeing that the federal government is now passing under the control of our enemies to be diverted from the exalted objects of its creation to those of oppression and wrong, and realizing that our own State can no longer look for protection, but to God and her own sons-- We the delegates of the people of Texas, in Convention assembled, have passed an ordinance dissolving all political connection with the government of the United States of America and the people thereof and confidently appeal to the intelligence and patriotism of the freemen of Texas to ratify the same at the ballot box, on the 23rd day of the present month. Adopted in Convention on the 2nd day of Feby, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-one and of the independence of Texas the twenty-fifth.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4003243]Like the other big Museums, Air & Space, Natl. History, Holocaust, etc.

    A Big, Marble Hall filled to the brim of History, specificly Civil War History, both Political/Economic (the why) and Millitary (the what) and Social/Slavery (the who/why).

    Sure, it would be hard as hell to get consensus on what and how it should be portrayed (like anything in the US), but it seems a shame this incredably vital piece of our National History and Identity is not yet enshrined in it's own BODCM (Big Ol' DC Museum).

    See, now thats a way I'd LIKE to see my tax dollars spent.

    Thread somewhat inspired by this article: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/04/17/northcivil-war-sites-events-long-forgotten/?test=faces[/url][/QUOTE]

    i believe the holocaust museum is privately funded which is the [I]only[/I] reason why its in DC....

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;4003630]Tell that to the parents and loved ones of the soldiers killed there this past month. I dare you.[/QUOTE]

    Really? That's your answer? The 50k troops left over would be home tomorrow if I had my way. Unfortunately they won't be, and we're likely going to continue to have have some casualties, though that will surely diminish year after year. The bigger question is why do always stay in a country even when our mission is done. We never leave.

    Anyways, I don't want to hijack War's thread...
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