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  1. #21
    To DV and Bit, Wilson certainly looks very athletic, but why didn't they play him on the edge at Illinois? He had the skillset for it. Arguably we would have provided a bigger impact. What gives?

    Also, can you remember another ILB who converted to 3-4 OLB in the pros?

  2. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by Maury77 View Post
    To DV and Bit, Wilson certainly looks very athletic, but why didn't they play him on the edge at Illinois? He had the skillset for it. Arguably we would have provided a bigger impact. What gives?

    Also, can you remember another ILB who converted to 3-4 OLB in the pros?
    off the top of my head, a player u should know, but wasn't drafted to play 34 OLB, and made the transition under Mangini was Victor Hobson.

    he played ILB at michigan, was drafted to play 43 OLB, and converted to 34 OLB. His first year there I thnk he led the team in sacks, and then we jettisoned him.

    but Wilson is a much better fit for the transition, especially since (to answer your first question), he played OLB at Illinois his first two years...

    also, should be noted that wilson was one of the top recruited high school DEs, who made the transition to LB early in his college career.
    Last edited by Darth Vader; 04-25-2011 at 04:36 PM.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by Maury77 View Post
    To DV and Bit, Wilson certainly looks very athletic, but why didn't they play him on the edge at Illinois? He had the skillset for it. Arguably we would have provided a bigger impact. What gives?

    Also, can you remember another ILB who converted to 3-4 OLB in the pros?
    It's not common and you can never bank on it...

    Wilson shows a bit of that skillset, but it can't be assumed.

    And Hobson was a huge failure. Just as just about any player not in the league in their 20s.

    Rushing the edge is a special ability. It's not something that can be learned. The whole concept of leverage and being able to coordinate your muscles in a way to make yourself strong on the move is a special trait. A lot of guys can get to the edge but are just pushed off the train tracks as I like to consider it. Basically a guy gets out there, but the O-lineman just runs him right out of the play. It's because the player doesn't have that lateral strength around the edge. Woodley and harrison are excellent in that regard.

  4. #24
    He's a very intriguing player with arguments for and against. In Rex we trust

  5. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Vader View Post
    should be noted that wilson was one of the top recruited high school DEs, who made the transition to LB early in his college career.
    this is why I think he appeals to the Jets

    Ayers too... and Houston to some extent

    these are DE converts that have already some LB experience

    if these players bust it won't be because they can't play LB

    it might be for other reasons but they are real linebackers that have played linebacker. Brooks Reed, i love the dude, but he's a 4-3 DE that people are projecting to LB. Same with Aldon Smith, Robert Quinn and even Ryan Kerrigan. None of these players have linebacker experience.

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    Inside Linebacker | Illinois | JR Martez Wilson
    Height: 6-3 | Weight: 250 | 40-Time: 4.49

    Official Bio

    Strengths:
    Ideal height and bulk with long arms and rangy frame
    Explosive athlete with top speed, acceleration, burst
    Is active with excellent range and excels in pursuit
    Terrific blitzer who can bend off edge and run the arc
    Pretty physical and does not shy away from contact
    A powerful hitter and tackler who can lay the lumber
    Is strong with a rocked-up physique and potent hands
    Should offer both positional and schematic versatility
    A hard worker and leader respected by teammates
    Still has considerable untapped potential to develop

    Weaknesses:
    Displays rather questionable instincts and awareness
    Can be too aggressive at times and miss some tackles
    Lacks top-notch agility and change of direction skills
    Hips are not fluid and struggles mightily in coverage
    Has trouble when forced to take on and shed blockers
    Some off-the-field incidents that must be checked out
    Battled injuries so health and durability are concerns

    Notes:
    Essentially a two-year starter for the Fighting Illini and also served as a team captain --- Named 2nd Team All-Big Ten in 2010 --- Was a highly touted prep recruit with scholarship offers from all the big-time programs --- Served a one game suspension in 2008 for a violation of team rules --- Underwent surgery for stab wounds sustained while helping a teammate during a bar fight in December of 2008 --- Suffered a neck injury (herniated disc) in 2009 opener and missed remainder of the season --- Overcame a rough upbringing where he never had a stable home --- Part of same graduating class at Simeon High School in Chicago as NBA star Derrick Rose of the Bulls --- Could project to either outside or inside linebacker at the next level and played both during time in Champaign --- Best fit might ultimately come as a pass rusher in an odd front --- A very intriguing prospect with a rare blend of size and speed --- A better athlete than football player who doesn't always perform up to impressive workout numbers but upside is undeniable.


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    Career Statistics
    Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
    2007 13 29 3.0 2.0 1 0
    2008 11 73 5.5 3.0 3 0
    2009 1 9 0.0 0.0 0 0
    2010 13 112 11.5 4.0 4 1
    Totals 38 223 20.0 9.0 8 1

    If we can not get Wilkerson, Wilson will be a JET IMHO!
    Last edited by Kentucky Jet; 04-26-2011 at 01:32 PM.

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by Kentucky Jet View Post
    Best fit might ultimately come as a pass rusher in an odd front
    hmm... the Jets run an odd front and need a pass rusher...

  8. #28
    They need to trade WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back if they want to pick Trez with their first pick. THe kid is far from a finished product.

  9. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by mavericknyc1980 View Post
    They need to trade WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY back if they want to pick Trez with their first pick. THe kid is far from a finished product.
    Maybe Im not giving this guy enough credit but why number 30. Is he better then Reed, Ayers, Houston, Wilkerson, Heyward or Taylor???

  10. #30
    I'm sure that Tannenbaum will not draft another Wilson after one failing last year, hes going to want to go to a name that has produced more NFL players.

  11. #31
    Quote Originally Posted by mavericknyc1980 View Post
    Maybe Im not giving this guy enough credit but why number 30. Is he better then Reed, Ayers, Houston, Wilkerson, Heyward or Taylor???
    at this point "better" means nothing unless you are talking about as a prospect, and how their skillsets, experience and potential translate to the next level.

    As prospects, they all have negatives.

    Reed has never even played the position from a fundamentals standpoint that he would play in the NFL. In other words, he's going to have to relearn football fundamentals. Imagine going to medical school to be podiatrist, but you get drafted by a dental firm...sure it can be done. But Reed has to relearn how to be a football player on two feet instead of three (well, two feet and a hand in the dirt). This is the largest gap to bridge and one that many ppl -- even GMs -- simply assume can be done. This is what happened to Gholston. The player was simply not a LB. Martez Wilson already is...

    Houston has experience both at DE and OLB (different people will give you different feedback on the results of his play at either). His college career would seem to indicate that he probably has the greatest potential as a pure playmaker of Reed/Ayers/Wilson/Houston. But he gives inconsistent effort, which at the NFL level is totally unacceptable, way worse than being a poor athlete, and now has a red flag for failing a drug test.

    Wilson has experience playing in a number of different LB positions, inside, outside, odd-man-front, 4 down. He was a HEAVILY recruited high school DE. He has the body-frame of a DE -- not of a LB. He looks more like Jason Taylor than David Harris. But playing 3 years at LB means that he has already stabilized all of the necessary LB fundamentals. This is NOT a raw prospect. Moreover, he is the one of 2 or 3 best pure athletes of all the LBs in the draft class. In fact his timed 40 measurement is at the very top of all LBs. His athletic ability gives him the highest possible ceiling of all of these players. His aforesaid versatility would be a tremendous boon for Rex and
    make his defense potentially vexing for QBs to figure pre-snap. Speaking of Rex, Rex PERSONALLY went to the Illinois ProDay...

    Ayers is a bit of a conundrum to me. He plays fast on tape, but at the combine where Wilson ran 4.49, he couldn't even break 4.8....when you watch him on film, he shows natural ability to "bend the edge" -- integral to getting to the QB at the next level. despite the fact that he doesn't measure well, Ayers is a player i like a lot. not as athletic or versatile as wilson, but with specific strengths.


    Wilkerson, Taylor, and Heyward aren't even comparable positionally.

  12. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Vader View Post
    at this point "better" means nothing unless you are talking about as a prospect, and how their skillsets, experience and potential translate to the next level.

    As prospects, they all have negatives.

    Reed has never even played the position from a fundamentals standpoint that he would play in the NFL. In other words, he's going to have to relearn football fundamentals. Imagine going to medical school to be podiatrist, but you get drafted by a dental firm...sure it can be done. But Reed has to relearn how to be a football player on two feet instead of three (well, two feet and a hand in the dirt). This is the largest gap to bridge and one that many ppl -- even GMs -- simply assume can be done. This is what happened to Gholston. The player was simply not a LB. Martez Wilson already is...

    Houston has experience both at DE and OLB (different people will give you different feedback on the results of his play at either). His college career would seem to indicate that he probably has the greatest potential as a pure playmaker of Reed/Ayers/Wilson/Houston. But he gives inconsistent effort, which at the NFL level is totally unacceptable, way worse than being a poor athlete, and now has a red flag for failing a drug test.

    Wilson has experience playing in a number of different LB positions, inside, outside, odd-man-front, 4 down. He was a HEAVILY recruited high school DE. He has the body-frame of a DE -- not of a LB. He looks more like Jason Taylor than David Harris. But playing 3 years at LB means that he has already stabilized all of the necessary LB fundamentals. This is NOT a raw prospect. Moreover, he is the one of 2 or 3 best pure athletes of all the LBs in the draft class. In fact his timed 40 measurement is at the very top of all LBs. His athletic ability gives him the highest possible ceiling of all of these players. His aforesaid versatility would be a tremendous boon for Rex and
    make his defense potentially vexing for QBs to figure pre-snap. Speaking of Rex, Rex PERSONALLY went to the Illinois ProDay...

    Ayers is a bit of a conundrum to me. He plays fast on tape, but at the combine where Wilson ran 4.49, he couldn't even break 4.8....when you watch him on film, he shows natural ability to "bend the edge" -- integral to getting to the QB at the next level. despite the fact that he doesn't measure well, Ayers is a player i like a lot. not as athletic or versatile as wilson, but with specific strengths.


    Wilkerson, Taylor, and Heyward aren't even comparable positionally.
    Great point when talking about positionally. But when talking about Value thats a different story.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by mavericknyc1980 View Post
    Great point when talking about positionally. But when talking about Value thats a different story.
    agree. IMO best value there is Wilkerson.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Darth Vader View Post
    agree. IMO best value there is Wilkerson.
    Agreed! but if he is not there I expect us to take Wilson or try to trade down.

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