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    [QUOTE=parafly;4012214]In terms of socialism, it's been in place for almost a century. Both sides of the political aisle have propped it up, supported it, and made it a staple of American politics. No argument from me that Democrats have pushed it to a heavier extreme.

    I think my main point is both sides use wedge issues as "weapons" against the other side.

    In any case, you are fooling yourself if you do not think there was an element of racism and anti-foreigner sentiment to the birther movement. If Obama was a WASP named John Smith who [B]presented his Certificate of Live Birth prior to running for President, no one who have blinked an eye[/B].[/QUOTE]

    I was opposed to wasting time on the birther nonsense, but let's be realistic when coming up with these analogies. This is NOT what Obama did. If he had done so, we would have never had this topic come up in the first place. So why didn't he?

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    [QUOTE=parafly;4012214]In terms of socialism, it's been in place for almost a century. Both sides of the political aisle have propped it up, supported it, and made it a staple of American politics. No argument from me that Democrats have pushed it to a heavier extreme.

    I think my main point is both sides use wedge issues as "weapons" against the other side.

    In any case, you are fooling yourself if you do not think there was an element of racism and anti-foreigner sentiment to the birther movement. If Obama was a WASP named John Smith who presented his Certificate of Live Birth prior to running for President, no one who have blinked an eye.[/QUOTE]

    yes, yes....but somehow when the NYSlimes pens a large article questioning McCain's eligibility to be president based on his place of birth they are somehow asking a legitimate question- they are not "birthers"...couldn't be any funnier...

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html[/url]

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;4014345]yes, yes....but somehow when the NYSlimes pens a large article questioning McCain's eligibility to be president based on his place of birth they are somehow asking a legitimate question- they are not "birthers"...couldn't be any funnier...

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html[/url][/QUOTE]

    LMAO!!!

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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4014338]I was opposed to wasting time on the birther nonsense, but let's be realistic when coming up with these analogies. This is NOT what Obama did. If he had done so, we would have never had this topic come up in the first place. So why didn't he?[/QUOTE]

    From what I understand, he did exactly what was required of him, and what all the other politicians do as well (present a Certificate of Live Birth).

    There is absolutely no requirement of a "long form" birth certificate, and to my knowledge, no other politician has ever been asked to present it on account of the "short form" being inadequate.

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;4014345]yes, yes....but somehow when the NYSlimes pens a large article questioning McCain's eligibility to be president based on his place of birth they are somehow asking a legitimate question- they are not "birthers"...couldn't be any funnier...

    [url]http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html[/url][/QUOTE]

    How can you compare the two situations?

    McCain's place of birth and citizenship was not in question, the question was whether his place of birth (overseas military base) gave him Presidential eligibility, something that was quickly put to rest.

    The birther issue has been going on for years and questioned whether Obama was born outside the country despite vast amounts of evidence his Hawaiian birth was legitimate.

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    [QUOTE=parafly;4014547]....and to my knowledge, no other politician has ever been asked to present it on account of the "short form" being inadequate.[/QUOTE]

    But...but, but, but. Oh. No? He's not...uh...but


    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YIq5Q15L1o[/url]

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    Now Romneys Turn for democrats race baiting

    In his very first ad Romney is accused of the racial overtures.
    But of course its the Democrats Favorite weapon. Race Baiting.

    They will say over and over and over that Romney might be a racist if he is the nominee.


    [QUOTE]Democratic strategist Tad Devine, an adviser to the Al Gore and John Kerry presidential campaigns, accused Mitt Romney’s campaign of invoking the controversial Rev. Jeremiah Wright in a recent ad.[/QUOTE]

    [QUOTE]Romney’s campaign team and airing in New Hampshire. The ad, Romney’s first of the campaign, is “clearly an attempt to bring back Rev. Wright and race,” Devine tweeted.[/QUOTE]

    You can see the ad here but will need a lot of imagination

    [URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H3a7FC0Jkv8"]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=H3a7FC0Jkv8[/URL]

    [url]http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/195281-dem-strategist-romney-invoking-rev-wright-in-new-ad[/url]

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    [QUOTE=Come Back to NY;4011377]here ya' go....

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vgMnZIafeE[/url][/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=parafly;4012214]In terms of socialism, it's been in place for almost a century. Both sides of the political aisle have propped it up, supported it, and made it a staple of American politics. No argument from me that Democrats have pushed it to a heavier extreme.

    I think my main point is both sides use wedge issues as "weapons" against the other side.

    In any case, you are fooling yourself if you do not think there was an element of racism and anti-foreigner sentiment to the birther movement. If Obama was a WASP named John Smith who presented his Certificate of Live Birth prior to running for President, no one who have blinked an eye.[/QUOTE]

    Was it racist when people questioned McCain's eligibility to run because he was born on a military base outside of the US? Also please clarify the definition of racism. Here you equate it to anti-foreigner sentiment. Are you saying that racism and anti-foreigner sentiment is the same? Further please clarify if the birthers are racist because Obama is half black or anti-foreigner because he grew up in Indonesia?

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4248781]Was it racist when people questioned McCain's eligibility to run because he was born on a military base outside of the US?[/QUOTE]

    You mean that entire 24 hour news cycle? Equating the two scenarios is laughable.

    McCain was a legitimate legal question. Obama was a "you are lying and weren't really born in the USA" argument.

    [QUOTE]Also please clarify the definition of racism. Here you equate it to anti-foreigner sentiment. Are you saying that racism and anti-foreigner sentiment is the same? Further please clarify if the birthers are racist because Obama is half black or anti-foreigner because he grew up in Indonesia?[/QUOTE]

    I did not equate the two, simply stated that there was an element of both in the birther movement.

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    [B]Obama Plays Race Card, Calls on Churches to Support Campaign[/B]

    [QUOTE]Imagine if Ron Paul announced a national campaign called ‘Whites for Ron Paul’ – he’d be vilified as a racist. And yet Barack Obama has done the equivalent of precisely that with his launch of ‘African Americans for Obama’.[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-plays-race-card-calls-on-churches-to-support-campaign.html[/url][URL="http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BdjoHA5ocwU"]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BdjoHA5ocwU[/URL]

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    sigh election season and the democrats here we go!


    [B]Louis Farrakhan warns of racial hatred that could lead to attempts to kill President Obama
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    [QUOTE] In a fiery lecture to thousands of followers of the Nation of Islam on Sunday in Chicago, Minister Louis Farrakhan warned that racial hatred could lead to attempts to assassinate President Barack Obama.

    Farrakhan spent much of his oration decrying what he cast as Satan's influence over racist forces in politics and society before asking a pointed rhetorical question: "Do you think they're wicked enough to be plotting our brother's assassination as we speak?"[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/ct-met-farrakhan-founders-day-20120227,0,7846023.story[/url]

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    What position does Louis Farrakhan hold in the Democratic party? Is he a delegate? spokesman?

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    [QUOTE=Mantle & Namath;4377773]What position does Louis Farrakhan hold in the Democratic party? Is he a delegate? spokesman?[/QUOTE]
    Nope.

    He's a powerful advocate of progressive causes who exerts his influence through a smorgasbord of internet handles.

    Many believe he will change the world.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;4377837]Nope.

    He's a powerful advocate of progressive causes who exerts his influence through a smorgasbord of internet handles.

    Many believe he will change the world.[/QUOTE]

    Bow ties for everyone!

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    [QUOTE=Mantle & Namath;4377773]What position does Louis Farrakhan hold in the Democratic party? Is he a delegate? spokesman?[/QUOTE]

    He is a bit left of democrats but don't lie to yourself please.
    He is not voting republican and is a proud lefty a race baiter or class wayfarer
    as the dems always are.

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    [QUOTE=cedk;4377851]He is a bit left of democrats but don't lie to yourself please.
    He is not voting republican and is a proud lefty a race baiter or class wayfarer
    as the dems always are.[/QUOTE]

    Oh please. David Duke a Grand Wizard in the KKK was an elected official in the Republican Party.

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    [QUOTE=Mantle & Namath;4377876]Oh please. David Duke a Grand Wizard in the KKK was an elected official in the Republican Party.[/QUOTE]

    You do realize that multi term Democratic Senator Robert Byrd was a former KKK member right? Duke was a Louisiana local state representative likely in a district where a just few thousand people live. He also ran for President in 1988 as a Democrat.

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    [QUOTE=Mantle & Namath;4377876]Oh please. David Duke a Grand Wizard in the KKK was an elected official in the Republican Party.[/QUOTE]

    What your point but to distract from what they are doing still today and thus supporting the race baiters

    Just stop the race baiting please.
    Last edited by cedk; 02-27-2012 at 03:50 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Mantle & Namath;4377876]Oh please. David Duke a Grand Wizard in the KKK was an elected official in the Republican Party.[/QUOTE]

    FYI your comparison is quite flawed. Democrats have traditionally been the party of oppression and racism. It goes all the way back to the 19 century. Democrats were the party of slavery then and IMO in a way they still are. Today they practice a new form of racism. Their philosophy assumes that certain classes of society are simply not equipped to succeed in life. The push away from an opportunity society in to an entitlement society is based on their belief that some members of society simply are not equipped either mentally or culturally to thrive.

    WIKI on Duke - Turns out he was a Democrat

    Early campaigns
    Duke first ran for the Louisiana State Senate as a Democrat from a Baton Rouge district in 1975. He received 11,079 votes, a third of those cast.[25] In 1979, he ran as a Democrat for the 10th District Senate seat and finished second in a three-candidate race with 9,897 votes (26 percent).[26] Duke allegedly conducted a direct-mail appeal in 1987, using the identity and mailing-list of the Georgia Forsyth County Defense League without permission. League officials described it as a fund-raising scam. Duke was accused by several Klan officials of stealing his organization's money. "Duke is nothing but a con artist," Jack Gregory, Duke's Florida state leader, told the Clearwater Sun (of Florida) after David Duke allegedly refused to turn over proceeds from a series of 1979 Klan rallies to the Knights. Another Klan official under Duke, Jerry Dutton, told reporters that Duke had used Klan funds to purchase and refurbish his home in Metairie. Duke later justified the repairs by saying most of his home was used by the Klan. In 1979, after his first, abortive run for president (as a Democrat) and a series of highly publicized violent Klan incidents, Duke quietly incorporated the nonprofit National Association for the Advancement of White People (NAAWP) in an attempt to leave the baggage of the Klan behind.[27]
    1988 Democratic presidential campaign
    In 1988, Duke ran initially in the Democratic presidential primaries. His campaign failed to make much of an impact, with the one notable exemption of winning the little known New Hampshire Vice-Presidential primary.[28] Duke, having failed to gain much traction as a Democrat, then successfully sought the Presidential nomination of the Populist Party.[29] He appeared on the ballot for President in eleven states and was a write-in candidate in some other states, some with Trenton Stokes of Arkansas for Vice President, and on other state ballots with Floyd Parker for Vice President. He received just 47,047 votes, for 0.04 percent of the combined, national popular vote.[30]
    1989: Successful run in special election for Louisiana House seat
    In December 1988, Duke changed his political affiliation from the Democratic Party to the Republican Party.[2]
    In 1988, Republican State Representative Charles Cusimano of Metairie resigned his District 89 seat to become a 24th Judicial District Court judge, and a special election was called early in 1989 to select a successor. Duke entered the race to succeed Cusimano and faced several opponents, including fellow Republicans, John Spier Treen, a brother of former Governor David C. Treen, Delton Charles, a school board member, and Roger F. Villere, Jr., who operates Villere's Florist in Metairie. Duke finished first in the primary with 3,995 votes (33.1%).[31] As no one received a majority of the vote in the first round, a runoff election was required between Duke and Treen, who polled 2,277 votes (18.9%) in the first round of balloting. John Treen's candidacy was endorsed by U.S. President George H. W. Bush, former President Ronald Reagan, and other notable Republicans,[32] as well as the Democrat Victor Bussie (president of the Louisiana AFL-CIO) and Edward J. Steimel (president of the Louisiana Association of Business and Industry and former director of the "good government" think tank, the Public Affairs Research Council). Duke, however, hammered Treen on a statement the latter had made indicating a willingness to entertain higher property taxes, anathema in that suburban district.[33] Duke with 8,459 votes (50.7%) defeated Treen, who polled 8,232 votes (49.3%).[34] He served in the House from 1990 until 1992.[35]

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