[B]Hereís Nancy Pelosi from a press conference on September 7, 2006:[/B]
[INDENT][E]ven if [Osama bin Laden] is caught tomorrow, it is five years too late. He has done more damage the longer he has been out there. But, in fact, the damage that he has done . . . is done. And even to capture him now I donít think makes us any safer.[/INDENT][B]And hereís Nancy Pelosi yesterday:[/B]
[INDENT]The death of Osama bin Laden marks the most significant development in our fight against al-Qaida. . . . I salute President Obama, his national security team, Director Panetta, our men and women in the intelligence community and military, and other nations who supported this effort for their leadership in achieving this major accomplishment. . . . [T]he death of Osama bin Laden is historic. . . .
How about Clinton he had him dead in his sites and let him go! If it wasn't for Bush and his waterboarding of Sheik Muhammed we might be still looking for him. We got the curriers(sp) codename from the Sheik. Even Obama gave credit to Bush.
[QUOTE=MnJetFan;4020781]f it wasn't for Bush and his waterboarding of Sheik Muhammed we might be still looking for him. We got the curriers(sp) codename from the Sheik. Even Obama gave credit to Bush.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]One detainee who apparently was subjected to some tough treatment provided a crucial description of the courier, according to current and former officials briefed on the interrogations. But two prisoners who underwent some of the harshest treatmentóincluding Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 timesórepeatedly misled their interrogators about the courierís identity....
Glenn L. Carle, a retired C.I.A. officer who oversaw the interrogation of a high-level detainee in 2002, said in a phone interview Tuesday, that coercive techniques "didnít provide useful, meaningful, trustworthy information." He said that while some of his colleagues defended the measures, ďeveryone was deeply concerned and most felt it was un-American and did not work."
In 2002 and 2003, interrogators first heard about a Qaeda courier who used the nom de guerre Abu Ahmed al-Kuwaiti, but his name was just one tidbit in heaps of uncorroborated claims....
According to an American official familiar with his interrogation, Mr. Mohammed was first asked about Mr. Kuwaiti in the fall of 2003, months after the waterboarding. He acknowledged having known him but said the courier was "retired" and of little significance.
In 2004, however, a Qaeda operative named Hassan Ghul, captured in Iraq, gave a different account of Mr. Kuwaiti, according to the American official. Mr. Ghul told interrogators that Mr. Kuwaiti was a trusted courier who was close to Bin Laden, as well as to Mr. Mohammed and to Abu Faraj al-Libi, who had become the operational chief of Al Qaeda after Mr. Mohammedís capture.
Mr. Kuwaiti, Mr. Ghul added, had not been seen in some time ó which analysts thought was a possible indication that the courier was hiding out with Bin Laden.
The details of Mr. Ghulís treatment are unclear, though the C.I.A. says he was not waterboarded. The C.I.A. asked the Justice Department to authorize other harsh methods for use on him, but it is unclear which were used. One official recalled that Mr. Ghul was ďquite cooperative,Ē saying that rough treatment, if any, would have been brief....
After Mr. Libi was captured in May 2005 and turned over to the C.I.A., he too was asked. He denied knowing Mr. Kuwaiti and gave a different name for Bin Ladenís courier, whom he called Maulawi Jan. C.I.A. analysts would never find such a person and eventually concluded that the name was Mr. Libiís invention, the official recalled.
Again, the C.I.A. has said Mr. Libi was not waterboarded, and details of his treatment are not known. But anticipating his interrogation, the agency pressured the Justice Department days after his capture for a new set of legal memorandums justifying the most brutal methods.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][T]here are two points that seem key in assessing the torture question. First, both KSM and al-Libi had critical intelligence they withheld under torture. KSM knew of Abu Ahmed's trusted role and real name; al-Libi knew Abu Ahmed was OBLís trusted courier and may have known of what became OBLís compound.
And neither of them revealed that information to the CIA.
They waterboarded KSM 183 times in a month, and he either never got asked about couriers guarding OBL, or he avoided answering the question honestly. Had KSM revealed that detail, Bush might have gotten OBL 8 years ago.
And just as importantly, the whole time KSM was shielding Abu Ahmedís true identity while being waterboarded, KSM was also lying to the CIA about where OBL was. When asked what things he lied about under torture at his 2007 CSRT hearing, KSM specifically said he first said he didnít know of OBLís whereabouts, and then confirmed false locations for him, in response to the torture.[/QUOTE]
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The "Better Man"? Really, you ignorant little BOY?!
Agree or disagree with whoever you want, but to say that a Professional Student/"Community Organizer" who lived in the halls of liberal academia most of his adult life and had been the darling of the liberal media before actually accomplishing anything is a "Better Man" than a man that served his country in combat and was held as a POW by a brutal enemy of this Nation for the better part of a decade and refused to allow his spirit or loyalty break even under actual, REAL torture is ignorant and snide.
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[QUOTE=Jet_Engine1;4022261]The "Better Man"? Really, you ignorant little BOY?!
Agree or disagree with whoever you want, but to say that a Professional Student/"Community Organizer" who lived in the halls of liberal academia most of his adult life and had been the darling of the liberal media before actually accomplishing anything is a "Better Man" than a man that served his country in combat and was held as a POW by a brutal enemy of this Nation for the better part of a decade and refused to allow his spirit or loyalty break even under actual, REAL torture is ignorant and snide.[/QUOTE]
First of all, f--k yourself. I stand by what I said. McCain while a war hero, is still a prick. To the way he divorced his first wife to the slection of someone not even remotely qualified to be his VP when things looked bleak in the campaign.
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[QUOTE=Tyler Durden;4022337]First of all. Go f*ck yourself. I stand by what I said. McCain while a war hero ( so is Timothy McVeigh, doesn't change the fact he's a mass murderer) lost a lot of respect when he selected someone not even remotely qualified to be his VP. Whatever shot he had to win went out the window. That pick is black mark on his record and I would have to guess he regrets making it, not because he lost, but because he convinced by his operatives that he had to make a big splash.. Obama was the right man for the job, McCain was not. Obviously the American people as country agreed.[/QUOTE]
John McCain & Timothy McVeigh are not comparable in any way, shape or form...that is just ridiculous, TD