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    [QUOTE=shakin318;4027244]I'm wasn't talking about your point, and I wasn't talking to you. Get a hold of yourself.[/QUOTE]

    so you want to discuss people calling mccain senile
    thats pathetic

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    [QUOTE=drunk kid catholic;4027247]lol
    so you want to discuss people calling mccain senile
    thats pathetic[/QUOTE]

    What's your problem? Are you that starved for attention? I made a comment to plumber based on a couple of other threads we've been in. If you're that eager for someone to argue with you about your cut-n-pastes you may want to look into getting a life.

    Let. It. Go.

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    [QUOTE=shakin318;4027188]Dude, seriously? Using McCain's words to support your arguments, after the torching you've done to the guy in the past couple of weeks? LOLZA

    Pure comedy gotta keep in mind that some of us are actually paying attention![/QUOTE]


    Ummm...I just said he was a sh*tty pilot and he's old. I still stand by those statements.

    Saying that torture works while a man who underwent torture says the excat opposite is purer comedy gold-er-er. ;)

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    Where are JI's libertarians on this issue? Noticeably absent.

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    Ummm...I just said he was a sh*tty pilot and he's old. I still stand by those statements.

    Saying that torture works while a man who underwent torture says the excat opposite is purer comedy gold-er-er. ;)[/QUOTE]

    America's fifth column never seems to put 2 + 2 together do they?

    Of course EIT worked as it got us the information necessary. Quoting McCain's completely unrelated situation doesnt invalidate their use, McCain admitted that he himself broke under his torture which was far more harsh than pouring water up the huge hook noses of homicidal maniacs with a rubber hose...he admitted that he gave up anything the enemy wanted ... while McCain has some moral authority to state in his opinion what is and isn't torture IMO he is driven by his own hatred for Chimpy or perhaps guilt to rewrite history by acting like enhanced techniques had nothing to do with OBLs hit...

    It's cause and effect. Like changing up the household radically and wondering why the kids behave differently...

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    [QUOTE=Jungle Shift Jet;4028616] Quoting McCain's completely unrelated situation doesnt invalidate their use...[/QUOTE]

    Might want to watch that video there again, Ted....

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    [QUOTE]Exclusive: Private letter from CIA chief undercuts claim torture was key to killing Bin Laden [.....]

    Let me further point out that we first learned about the facilitator/courier’s nom de guerre from a detainee not in CIA custody in 2002. It is also important to note that some detainees who were subjected to enhanced interrogation techniques attempted to provide false or misleading information about the facilitator/courier. These attempts to falsify the facilitator/courier’s role were alerting.

    In the end, no detainee in CIA custody revealed the facilitator/courier’s full true name or specific whereabouts. This information was discovered through other intelligence means. [/QUOTE]

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    More information pointing to the merits of good old fashioned torture... I mean "‘enhanced’ interrogation tactics".


    WikiLeaks bolsters argument for ‘enhanced’ interrogation tactics
    Cables show U.S. collected details of plots, terrorists

    By [URL=""][COLOR=#164a6e]Rowan Scarborough[/COLOR][/URL]
    The Washington Times
    9:00 p.m., Thursday, May 19, 2011

    WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange's ongoing release of the Guantanamo Bay prison files, and large numbers of classified State Department cables, attempts to expose what he calls American corruption.
    But supporters of the George W. Bush administration's global war on terrorism say the nearly 800 Guantanamo files show that "enhanced" interrogations of hundreds of captured operatives at secret overseas prisons and at the Cuban prison amounted to one of the most successful intelligence operations in history.
    Before the interrogations, the U.S. knew little about al Qaeda in the immediate aftermath of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Years later, the CIA and military had accumulated a large database of ongoing plots and the identities of terrorists, the WikiLeaks files show.
    "The WikiLeaks documents provide still additional evidence that intelligence gained from CIA detainees not only helped lead us to Osama bin Laden, it helped us disrupt a number of follow-on attacks that had been set in motion after 9/11," said Marc Thiessen, a former Bush speechwriter.
    "Without this program, we would not have gone nearly 10 years without another catastrophic attack on the homeland. This is quite possibly the most important, and most successful, intelligence program in modern times. But instead of medals, the people behind this program have been given subpoenas."
    He was referring to Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.'s launch of a criminal investigation of CIA officers who conducted the "enhanced" interrogations, some of which the Obama administration has dubbed "torture."
    The killing of Osama bin Laden underscores the value of the vast intelligence database. The treasure trove of information includes the identities of terrorists operating abroad, plots to kill civilians and details on how al Qaeda used a network of couriers for clandestine communication.
    Public disclosure of the interrogation windfall began in April by the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks, which obtained hundreds of classified U.S. reports on detainees written by Joint Task Force Guantanamo, the military unit in charge of the prison at U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.
    As of Thursday, WikiLeaks had released 765 of 779 Gitmo files.
    The files show that prisoner Abu Farajal al-Libi, al Qaeda's No. 3 and a close aide to bin Laden, first disclosed the terrorist master's special courier to the CIA. It was the agency's ability to find and track the messenger that ultimately led a team of Navy SEALs to bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan, where he was killed early on May 2.
    Supporters of sending terrorist suspects to Guantanamo Bay — which the Obama administration has vowed to shutter, though its initial deadline has come and gone — for trials at military commissions say the prison provided a single collection point to assess and cross-check intelligence on an enemy the United States knew little about.
    "We learned a tremendous amount about the operation, not only in Afghanistan but the organizational structure and how they were operating outside the immediate combat area, for example in Europe," said retired Brig. Gen. Thomas L. Hemingway, the Pentagon's top legal adviser to the commissions' office during Guantanamo's early days.
    Gen. Hemingway recalled a case when the military command in Afghanistan was looking for a senior Taliban commander. Interrogators found a detainee who knew the suspect. The detainee drew a diagram of his compound. Aerial surveillance located the home and led to the commander's capture.
    "There was a lot of actionable intelligence that was developed down there for a long time," Gen. Hemingway said.
    [B]Hunt for bin Laden[/B]
    In the hunt for bin Laden, the files show al-Libi provided critical information. The CIA used so-called enhanced-interrogation techniques on al-Libi but did not subject him to waterboarding — the most controversial of techniques, which also included stress positions, slapping, shaking and dousing captives with cold water.
    "In July 2003, [al Libi] received a letter from [bin Laden's] designated courier, Maulawi Abd al-Khaliq Jan, requesting detainee take on the responsibility of collecting donations, organizing travel and distributing funds to families in Pakistan," the document stated.
    "[Bin Laden] stated detainee would be the official messenger between [bin Laden] and others in Pakistan. In mid-2003, detainee moved his family to Abbottabad, PK, and worked between Abbottabad and Peshawar."
    U.S. officials said the name provided to interrogators was false. But the intelligence added to the other bits of data that helped the U.S. learn how bin Laden planned to direct al Qaeda from Pakistan, the real name of his special courier and the connection of the group to Abbottabad, where the courier moved around 2006.
    The courier, who eventually led the U.S. to the compound unwittingly, was killed in the raid. The Obama administration has not identified that person's name.
    [B]Other plots[/B]
    An earlier declassified CIA report on Sept. 11 mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed reveals that he disclosed the identities of several operatives and the status of a number of planned attacks.
    One plan called for commandeering commercial airliners at London's Heathrow Airport. Authorities broke up the plot.
    Mohammed was one of three al Qaeda leaders waterboarded by the CIA. The Bush administration called it part of "enhanced" interrogations. The Obama administration has labeled it "torture."
    The leaked detainee files show that other ranking al Qaeda operatives provided a first-ever look inside the al Qaeda killing machine:
    • Ramzi Bin al-Shibh revealed how operatives gained visas to enter the West, often by gaining acceptance to an educational institute. If they were denied visas at U.S. embassies in the Middle East, they would try to gain entrance to Europe and apply from there.
    • A terrorist identified as Hambali, the leader of the al Qaeda-funded Islamiyah network in South Asia, provided extensive information on his terrorist contacts in Indonesia. Responsible for the 2002 Bali bombing that killed more than 200, Hambali disclosed the existence of the "Infraq Fisabillah" fund used to finance travel by terrorists to and from Pakistan for training.
    • Abu Zubaydah, another high-ranking bin Laden aide, provided a wealth of information on al Qaeda's ability to forge documents used to gain access to the West. Zubaydah, for example, forged medical files to show that a terrorist had been tortured. The supposed victims then used the phony medical history to gain political asylum in Europe or the United States.
    "Detainee has intimate knowledge of al Qaeda's use of a document committee for forging documents such as identification cards, visas, and passports," the Zubaydah file states, adding, "Detainee has provided a wealth of information on terrorist organizations. He has provided intelligence on their operations and leadership. Detainee continues to be a valuable source of intelligence for operations still occurring today."
    • Mohammed Abdah al-Nashiri, another close bin Laden aide, operated a separate al Qaeda operation in Yemen that received aid from Yemeni security forces. The revelation showed that, as in Pakistan, a U.S. ally supposedly working with the West actually was helping the enemy.
    One of three al Qaeda captives waterboarded, Nashiri provided the names of a number of operatives still in the field.
    [B]Broad consensus[/B]
    It is not just Bush administration supporters who say interrogations of terrorist suspects at Gitmo and other venues worked.
    Asked on NBC News whether enhanced interrogations, including waterboarding, produced information that helped find bin Laden, CIA Director Leon E. Panetta said: "In the intelligence business, you work from a lot of sources of information, and that was true here."
    Mr. Panetta said: "We had a multiple series of sources that provided information with regards to the situation. Clearly, some of it came from detainees and the interrogation of detainees, but we also had information from other sources as well."
    Asked whether he would deny that waterboarding produced critical information on bin Laden, Mr. Panetta answered said he would not.
    "No, I think some of the detainees clearly were, you know, they used these enhanced interrogation techniques against some of these detainees," he said.
    "But I'm also saying that, you know, the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information through other approaches I think is always going be an open question."
    Mr. Panetta opposed Mr. Holder's decision to open a criminal investigation into the CIA interrogators.
    The debate over the use of "enhanced" interrogation techniques has raged on Capitol Hill since Mr. Bush initiated the tactics, the most famous of which was waterboarding, and said Geneva Convention rules apply only to signing parties and thus not to stateless terrorists in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks.
    Even though leaders from both parties were briefed on the practices as early as 2002, leading Democrats derided their use as reports of secret prisons emerged around 2006.
    In 2007, Mr. Bush signed an executive order prohibiting cruel and inhumane treatment, humiliation or denigration of prisoners' religious beliefs. After taking office in 2009, Mr. Obama dubbed some of the techniques torture, closed the secret prison system and said the administration would abide by the Geneva Conventions.
    © Copyright 2011 The Washington Times, LLC[/QUOTE]

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    I would like a [FONT="Arial Black"][SIZE="5"]WATERBOARDING WORKS[/SIZE] [/FONT] t-shirt.

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    [QUOTE=Apache 51;4033997]I would like a [FONT="Arial Black"][SIZE="5"]WATERBOARDING WORKS[/SIZE] [/FONT] t-shirt.[/QUOTE]


    Anything else ??

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    Anything else ??[/QUOTE]



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