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    Cops Cite Patriot Act For Taking Pictures At Rail Station

    [QUOTE]BALTIMORE (WJZ) — The Maryland Transit Administration says more training may be called for after three MTA officers detained a man for taking pictures at a light rail station.

    Pat Warren has more on the incident.

    According to the ACLU, this isn’t the first time MTA Police have overstepped their bounds.

    In a YouTube posting, Christopher Fussell left the camera rolling when he was confronted by three MTA officers for taking pictures at the Baltimore Cultural Light Rail Station.

    “It is my understanding that I am free to take pictures as long as it’s not for commercial purposes but for personal use,” Fussell said in the video.

    “Not on state property, not without proper authorization,” an officer said.

    Fussell: “From who?”

    Officer: “Nobody’s allowed to take pictures.”

    The MTA admits the officers were in error.

    “They can most certainly take photos of our system,” Ralign Wells, the MTA Administrator, said.

    In addition to being wrong about MTA and state policy, the officer incorrectly cites the Patriot Act.

    “Listen, listen to what I’m saying. The Patriot Act says that critical infrastructure, trains, train stations, all those things require certain oversight to take pictures, whether you say they are for personal use or whatever, that’s your story,” the officer said.

    “So why don’t you have any signs posted to say I cannot take pictures?” Fussell said.

    “Our officers have become very sensitive post 9/11 and we’re trying to see that they understand our passengers and citizens also have a right to take pictures,” Wells said.

    The officer eventually threatened to take Fussell into custody.

    “Do you have Maryland state identification on you?” the officer asked.

    “I am not committing a crime,” Fussell said.

    “Sir, I’m going to ask you one last time, then I’m going to take you into custody. Do we understand each other?” the officer said.

    The ACLU considers it harassment by the MTA.

    “This is not South Africa under apartheid and in this country, police do not have the right to walk up to you and demand you produce identification to them,” said David Rocah, ACLU.

    The MTA acknowledges that additional training is in order.

    “We’ll look at our training processes, we’ll look at whether any administrative situations need to occur with those officers,” Wells said.

    The ACLU says it’s been working with the MTA on this very issue for five years, with no satisfactory result.

    Fussell was detained for more than 40 minutes before MTA Police finally let him go on his way.[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2011/06/0[/url] ... -pictures/

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_iMr76atjUA[/url]

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JOFwbiI8fQ[/url]


    It's incredible that they give tasers and guns to idiots like these bullies.

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    Cop? Hungry? Be careful!

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFTvB8HZ74[/url]

    Doing your job and getting beaten for it?

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBMHF3QvtA[/url]

    More fun for routine police work:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEpUtoUzE4U&feature=related[/url]

    And lastly, perp over-reacts to pepper spray:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoBpkDrQLFM&feature=related[/url]

    Best part about all of this is the negative pervasiveness of the commentary. I would expect, and quite frankly accept, that if these were videos of police abuse, but they are not. They are videos of police being abused, assaulted and killed for doing their jobs properly.

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    [QUOTE=Jetworks;4041706]Cop? Hungry? Be careful!

    [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlFTvB8HZ74[/URL]

    Doing your job and getting beaten for it?

    [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dBMHF3QvtA[/URL]

    More fun for routine police work:

    [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEpUtoUzE4U&feature=related[/URL]

    And lastly, perp over-reacts to pepper spray:

    [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoBpkDrQLFM&feature=related[/URL]

    Best part about all of this is the negative pervasiveness of the commentary. I would expect, and quite frankly accept, that if these were videos of police abuse, but they are not. They are videos of police being abused, assaulted and killed for doing their jobs properly.[/QUOTE]

    And what does this prove? That the criminals can be just as bad as the bad cops? Cops aren't perfect but I feel they need to hold themselves to a higher standard.

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4041753]And what does this prove? That the criminals can be just as bad as the bad cops? Cops aren't perfect but I feel they need to hold themselves to a higher standard.[/QUOTE]

    Especially since they are getting paid by the locals of that area. No doubt that the cops at the Baltimore location were way out of line.

    It's amazing how many untrained cops are out here with little knowledge of the laws that they need to uphold. At least two of them in Baltimore had no knowledge of the law, yet tried to sound intelligent about what they were making up.

    Clearly abusing the man's 4th amendment right

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    wish we had someone who usedtobeacop who we could ask

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    [QUOTE=Jetworks;4041706]
    Best part about all of this is the negative pervasiveness of the commentary. I would expect, and quite frankly accept, that if these were videos of police abuse, but they are not. They are videos of police being abused, assaulted and killed for doing their jobs properly.[/QUOTE]

    So, because cops get attacked by criminals, they should have the right to do whatever they want to, with no regard for the laws they themselves represent? The US really does try to become the next China then, huh?

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    It's differnet world since 9/11
    Where I live in Charleston (and in other areas I assume) the Coast Guard has issued a warning. If you are moored next to a bridge and don't move immediately on being warned, they reserve to open fire with automatic weapons.
    On a personal note, my wife and I were just cruising up a public, pretty big river a couple years ago and apparently got a little too close to a nuclear sub. Two Navy patrol boats had 50 cals trained on my boat and advised me to move along NOW.
    I have no problem with any of that. Vigilance.

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    When you trade so called 'safety' for freedom, you end up losing both.

    Protect the constitution

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4041753]And what does this prove? That the criminals can be just as bad as the bad cops? Cops aren't perfect but I feel they need to hold themselves to a higher standard.[/QUOTE]

    It proves what I stated, that there is a pervasive anti-police sentiment growing in this country, due in large part to the actions of a few (comparatively) bad actions by police officers.

    The criminals can be just as bad? No, they are significantly worse. The fact you don't see that is disturbing.

    I agree, cops aren't perfect, few people are. And police do hold themselves to a higher standard for the most part, and are certainly held to a higher standard typically when it comes to the law.

    [QUOTE=Raug;4041780]So, because cops get attacked by criminals, they should have the right to do whatever they want to, with no regard for the laws they themselves represent? The US really does try to become the next China then, huh?[/QUOTE]

    Uh, no. But no one shouldn't be so quick to jump down a cop's throat if the violate some ordnance in the course of their duties if circumstances warranted it.

    None of you have a problem with the unjustly hateful commentary attached to the videos?:huh:

    BTW, when your actions or expressions of "freedom" start to encroach on my safety, perceived or otherwise, you are then violating my civil liberties.

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    What has been 'growing' is the police state. Even the US DOJ is now investigating several munis about the abuse.

    [url]http://www.policeone.com/federal-law-enforcement/articles/3740157-DOJ-investigating-abuses-by-big-city-police-departments/[/url]

    [QUOTE]Alleged abuses include harassment of racial minorities, false arrests, and excessive use of force
    [/QUOTE]

    Seems to me that this means that there are more than just a 'few'. It is at the very least epidemic and the perception is that it is pandemic.

    This is still a republic, by the people, for the people and of the people. Until the term 'people' changes to the 'police' all will have to adhere to the laws and the constitution of this republic.

    I find it fascinating that the police often hide behind the 'safety' card when they are caught. In this case as in too many others, it is often the ego and poor decision making of the LEO that gets them in trouble.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4041905]What has been 'growing' is the police state. Even the US DOJ is now investigating several munis about the abuse.

    [url]http://www.policeone.com/federal-law-enforcement/articles/3740157-DOJ-investigating-abuses-by-big-city-police-departments/[/url]



    Seems to me that this means that there are more than just a 'few'. It is at the very least epidemic and the perception is that it is pandemic.

    This is still a republic, by the people, for the people and of the people. Until the term 'people' changes to the 'police' all will have to adhere to the laws and the constitution of this republic.

    I find it fascinating that the police often hide behind the 'safety' card when they are caught. In this case as in too many others, it is often the ego and poor decision making of the LEO that gets them in trouble.[/QUOTE]

    The DOJ is (allegedly) doing more of what it was supposed to be doing since the Rodney King case, and that means there must be an increasing, epidemic-level problem?

    Police state? Your bias becomes more apparent all the time. Instead of providing salient arguments for your [I]cause célèbre[/I], you post cherry-picked articles or videos that only show how what your side of the argument. For example, in the open-carry thread, you posted a video of a cop approaching someone the way you felt was proper, as if the situation was the same as the Philly one. When I pointed out the video showed the cop thought the individual just had a pepper-spray case and was not open-carrying, not a peep from you.

    Now you are posting a video where cops didn't know whether or not a federal law took precedence over a local one. That's really no surprise. There was actually a sign at the Verrazano ramps that states no cameras. I'll look to see if they are still there, but I think they were taken down a few years ago. Are they still wrong? Yes, they are. Is it proof that there is an epidemic problem of abuse? I don't think so. I'd be curious to know whether this fellow's actions were brought to the attention of the officers by a concerned citizen? Not that it would excuse their ignorance of the law, but still, the devil is in the details...

    I'm all for better police training. I'm also for harsher punishments for those that break the law in spite of police action. While cases like this are embarrassing, they shouldn't be held up as some example of a police state where civil rights are being trampled upon. Mistakes are made, work to correct them.
    Last edited by Jetworks; 06-05-2011 at 05:23 PM.

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    The thing that you are overlooking here is that when the Police make a mistake, it can cost lives. To throw a man in a wheelchair to the ground (a video I posted) is an outright abuse of power.

    If a LEO is afraid of a man in a wheelchair, he should be in another profession.

    The DOJ is right to pursue the claims of abuse. Again, this is a nation of laws and the LEO's have to follow them too.

    More and more, videos are popping up of police abuse. Until this problem comes under control I don't see it ending.

    As for my bias, I am biased to the constitution of this nation that I swore to uphold with my life. I just did not give an expiration date to that vow.

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    Miami Police tried to keep folks from seeing this by smashing the cell phone

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RXpMzT5yGp8[/url]

    The owner took the memory card out before the cops smashed his celly

    The photographers rights:

    [url]http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf[/url]

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    He should just take a picture of a steaming pile and say it's Baltimore, no one will know the difference.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4041970]The thing that you are overlooking here is that when the Police make a mistake, it can cost lives..[/QUOTE]

    Very often, their own. Of which they are accutely cognizent of...hence cops making mistakes... trying not to make the ultimate mistake.

    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4041970]If a LEO is afraid of a man in a wheelchair, he should be in another profession.

    [/QUOTE]

    I knew a dude who sold angel dust up around W127-W128st... named Reggie.

    From the waist down, puppet legs, from the waist up diesel.

    No cop who didnt want to be put in a headlock in two seconds flat would mess with Reggie without calling backup. ANd four cops still had trouble arresting him. Not saying that some cops dont over-react, just saying your blanket statement is not accurate.

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    [QUOTE=32green;4043454]Very often, their own. Of which they are accutely cognizent of...hence cops making mistakes... trying not to make the ultimate mistake.



    I knew a dude who sold angel dust up around W127-W128st... named Reggie.

    From the waist down, puppet legs, from the waist up diesel.

    [B][B]No cop who didnt want to be put in a headlock in two seconds flat would mess with Reggie without calling backup. ANd four cops still had trouble arresting him. Not saying that some cops dont over-react, just saying your blanket statement is not accurate.[/B][/B]

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4043437][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RXpMzT5yGp8[/url]

    The owner took the memory card out before the cops smashed his celly

    The photographers rights:

    [url]http://www.krages.com/ThePhotographersRight.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]

    I live in Miami, have been a DoD advisor on COIN issues and my father is a 30 year MPD. We both we surprised at the actions of those officers; they clearly overstepped their bounds.

    I can understand the initial reaction when the bike patrolman approached with his sidearm aimed at the owner, no one knew if there were accomplices.

    But later trying to seize a phone, attempting to intimidate the owner to give up the camera and later destroying the phone by stomping on it and slipping it back into his pocket as he was taken into custody was beyond the pale.

    BTW, the mother or aunt of the woman accompanying the cameraman is a policewoman. This should get interesting.
    Last edited by Equilibrium; 06-07-2011 at 08:39 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Jetdawgg;4043474]Just the difference between a cop and a Marine[/QUOTE]

    This is where a lesser man would google the numerous Marines gone bad murder/rape/frag stories that float through the interents's... and post them.

    I have too much respect for the True Marines and the True Cops out there to stoop to that level.

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    [QUOTE=32green;4043493]This is where a lesser man would google the numerous Marines gone bad murder/rape/frag stories that float through the interents's... and post them.

    I have too much respect for the True Marines and the True Cops out there to stoop to that level.

    -[/QUOTE]

    Some call me names, Some spit on me, Some think I am evil, But when the Sh*t hits the fan, those same people yell 4 words the loudest "Send In The Marines"

    I guess that I am the only Marine Sgt that is/was not 'true'

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