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    Lockout update: Actual, documented reasons for optimism are popping up everywhere

    [B][URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Lockout-update-Actual-documented-reasons-for-o?urn=nfl-wp2547"]Lockout update: Actual, documented reasons for optimism are popping up everywhere these days[/URL][/B]



    [url]http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Lockout-update-Actual-documented-reasons-for-o?urn=nfl-wp2547[/url]

    [QUOTE]It was tough to buy in to the idea that the NFL lockout was either over or almost over based in the article in [URL="http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Massachusetts-paper-publishes-false-alarm-about-?urn=nfl-wp2513"]one small Massachusetts newspaper[/URL], especially when no larger news services picked it up and ran with it, and spokespeople from both sides — Greg Aiello of the NFL and George Atallah of the NFLPA -- immediately denied the report. However, when looking at the landscape as it stands now, there seems to be cause for legitimate optimism regarding an end to the labor battle for the first time in months. The owners and players have been meeting in private and have made commitments to continue doing so, and more and more sources are coming out and saying that while we're not all the way there yet, serious moves are being made.
    Lance Zierlein of the Houston Chronicle recently put up a blog post entitled "[URL="http://blog.chron.com/fantasyfootball/2011/06/according-to-a-couple-of-sources-nfl-lockout-could-be-over-sooner-than-you-think/"]According to a couple of sources, NFL lockout could be over sooner than you think[/URL]" in which he quotes two NFL people he knows. I've known Lance for while, and I know how dialed-in he is, so I'm of a mind to take this seriously. The post said, in part…
    [INDENT]After lengthy discussions with both sources, they both conveyed to me a great deal of hope that a deal would be done by July and possibly as early as late June. Why the sudden optimism? According to one of the sources, "both sides are focusing on the percentage of total revenue coming in (would include the first $1 billion the owners are currently taking off the top) and if that deal gets done, the other issues will probably fall into place fairly quickly according to what I'm hearing."
    The players currently make just over 59 percent of all revenue, but that does not include the $1 billion the owners take off the top. If that money is included in total revenue, the players get about 51 percent. While the owners are said to be low-balling the players on their revenue offer, both of my sources from the players' side said that the percentage appears to be negotiable and could easily come up to a number that both sides could agree upon.
    "I am 100 times more hopeful than two weeks ago that a deal can get done relatively quickly" was the sentiment from one of my sources who also believes that issues like health care and the rookie salary are issues that could potentially "be done already".[/INDENT]Eric Edholm from Pro Football Weekly is another news source to be taken seriously; PFW isn't exactly in the habit of floating false rumors to get traction on the interwebs. [URL="http://www.profootballweekly.com/2011/06/09/report-of-lockout-ending-is-premature-but-signs-of"]Eric's recent piece[/URL] was interesting in a different way, because he pointed to a specific date by which both sides might be encouraged to get a deal done:
    [INDENT]Previous talk coming out of the owners' meetings at the end of May — namely from Colts owner Jim Irsay and NFL lead negotiator Jeff Pash — appeared to target July 4 as a key date in the labor impasse. Both suggested that getting something done by that time would be necessary to have an uninterrupted 2011 season.
    But a new date might be emerging. Sources have indicated to PFW that June 21, which is when the NFL owners are scheduled to meet in Chicago, might be a date to circle on the calendar. The reason for the escalated talks might indicate that the owners want to have a deal — or parameters of a deal — to vote on when they all assemble for the meeting.
    A final Collective Bargaining Agreement might not happen until or around that July 4 date, and if that happened free agency would begin soon after. During normal seasons training camps typically open the final week of July, so reaching a deal around that time would allow for a three- or four-week free-agency period where players finally could change teams.[/INDENT]Add in the [URL="http://twitter.com/AlbertBreer"]Twitter timeline of the NFL Network's Albert Breer[/URL], and you have three different reliable news sources telling you that there really is movement on the labor front, and motivation for everyone to move closer to the agreement that will guarantee a full season in 2011. We're not quite to the point where that one small newspaper's jumping the gun will be seen as anything less than that, but there's something serious going on that we can all be happy about[/QUOTE]

    At least it is a reason for hope and is from several sources.

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    Two things I picked up the past couple of days..

    1) The NFL and NFLPA are issuing joint statements regarding the talks - no arrow slinging back and forth..

    2) I heard on Sirius "Moving The Chains" Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan both said they are starting to receive memos from official NFL outlets about NFL season events and plannings that wouldn't be coming out if games weren't being anticipated of being played..That's all I heard them say about it but they both are confident a new deal will be finalized within a month...

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    get er done

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    [QUOTE=C Mart;4045924]Two things I picked up the past couple of days..

    1) The NFL and NFLPA are issuing joint statements regarding the talks - no arrow slinging back and forth..

    2) I heard on Sirius "Moving The Chains" Tim Ryan and Pat Kirwan both said they are starting to receive memos from official NFL outlets about NFL season events and plannings that wouldn't be coming out if games weren't being anticipated of being played..That's all I heard them say about it but they both are confident a new deal will be finalized within a month...[/QUOTE]

    DEAR LORD, this is GREAT news! :D

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    My gut feeling is that this gets done by 4th of July

    Sports fans are gonna start going ape **** if there isn't a deal by June 30th, when the NBA starts its lockout

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    Leave it to Peter King to piss on the parade:

    Despite recent a recent report from Daniel Kaplan of the Sports Business Journal that a framework for a new CBA could be reached in two weeks, Peter King of SI.com in his Monday Morning Quarterback column writes don't expect a resolution imminently. The CBA is long and tedious, and each side is going over every sentence, even without the lawyers in-house. "It'd be a mistake to think it's certainly going to happen,'' said one source. "There's a long way to go. But instead of people yelling at each other, trying to score debating points, now people are sitting down and talking to each other, trying to solve a very involved case. That's progress.''

    the first real loss of money may come if any preseason games are called off. "That,'' the source said, "would send a sign to the advertising community that the talks are not going well, and some advertisers might say, 'I'm not waiting until the last minute for my September buys. I'm going to buy more college football.' ''

    With that in mind, we wonder why the owners and players aren't negotiating for 4-5 days per week with longer hours. If it is critical to get a deal done by July 4th, it is hard to sell to fans, many who work 5 days a week, over 40 hours per week that you are serious when you spend 12 hours a week negotiating to get a new deal done.

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    Wouldn't it be great if only all of the preseason games were lost? What a win for the STH's that would be.

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    Sounds like their backs are starting to get pushed up against the wall which is why we are just now seeing a flurry of activity. The NFL is not stupid enough to lose out on all of that ad revenue that could potentially stretch into the regular season.

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    [QUOTE=Heynowguy;4046599]Wouldn't it be great if only all of the preseason games were lost? What a win for the STH's that would be.[/QUOTE]

    That's the biggest incentive for the owners to move quickly - the opportunity to rip off the season-ticket holders for two full-priced exhibition games.

    I also believe the Jets have a deadline soon to commit to Cortland for training camp.

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    This better happen: there's only so much Hampur and Politics you can take before you go stark raving mad.

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    Here's a good sign on the labor front: The Baltimore Ravens have extended their assistant coaches' contracts through 2012. ...

    ... Previously, club planned to wait until the lockout was over. Instead, they took care of it now. That's a pretty good sign, labor-wise.

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    well its crunch time.... in all honesty training camp starts in 5-6 weeks

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    I'm tempering my optimism, but at least there definitely seem to be some promising developments for a change.

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    I wish Tim Cowlishaw would weigh in with an optimistic report

    Tim is always right about the things he tweets

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    Can confirm that owners were asked to keep schedules open next week, in case June 21 meeting spills into Tuesday night or Wednesday.

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    [QUOTE=C Mart;4047154]Can confirm that owners were asked to keep schedules open next week, in case June 21 meeting spills into Tuesday night or Wednesday.

    [URL]http://twitter.com/#!/AlbertBreer[/URL][/QUOTE]

    Ugh, this is such good news. I'm cautiously optimistic but where there's smoke there's fire.

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    NFL to teams: Prep for lengthy meeting

    [url]http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/NFL-tells-teams-to-prepare-for-lengthy-meeting-next-week-in-Chicago-061411[/url]

    The recent labor negotiations between the NFL and its locked-out players may finally be paying dividends.

    The NFL has advised its teams to prepare for the possibility of a prolonged league meeting next Tuesday in Chicago. The session could lay the groundwork for approval of a new Collective Bargaining Agreement that would end the work stoppage now entering its fourth month.

    Owners may now meet until late Tuesday night or even into Wednesday, which is longer than originally scheduled. News of the potential meeting extension was first reported by ESPN.

    NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and NFL Players Association executive director DeMaurice Smith are among the representatives who have engaged in a series of recent meetings outside a courtroom setting. While legal proceedings between the two sides continue, numerous media reports indicate substantial progress is being made toward a new labor deal that would allow for an on-time start to training camps and the regular season.

    Although a new CBA likely wouldn’t be announced at the NFL meeting, a deal could come in the following weeks after final details are hashed out between the two sides. Approval from 24 of 32 NFL owners is needed for passage of a new CBA.

    Indianapolis Colts owner Jim Irsay has said reaching a labor deal by July 4 is essential for an on-time start to training camps. Further delays could result in the postponement of preseason contests.

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    Here's my full story on the resumption of talks between the players and owners on Maryland's Eastern Shore ... [URL="http://is.gd/0Xy1tH"][COLOR=#2d76b9]http://is.gd/0Xy1tH[/COLOR][/URL]

    Bigger point: Been said that when it gets quiet, you'll know they're working. That's happening now. Out-of-the-way locations part of that.

    ... Theme is they're in the area of these big cities, but not in them; Approachable, easy to get to, but still trying not to get "spotted".

    Owners, players doing best to keep it quiet: Suburban Chicago, not Chicago proper; On Long Island, not NYC. And now, Eastern Shore, not DC.

    The meetings -- taking place on Maryland's Eastern Shore -- b/w the NFL and players are of the same sort we've had last two weeks.

    Filed to NFL Network: The NFL and players are meeting in Maryland today and tomorrow.

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    Progress in NFL talks puts deal within reach

    [B][SIZE=2]By [/SIZE][URL="http://www.jetsinsider.com/mark-maske/2011/03/04/ABjncvN_page.html"][SIZE=2][COLOR=#000000]Mark Maske[/COLOR][/SIZE][/URL][SIZE=2], [COLOR=#6e6e6e]Tuesday, June 14, [/COLOR][COLOR=#cc131e]10:42 AM[/COLOR][/SIZE][/B]

    The NFL and locked out players have made enough progress in their recent negotiations that a deal between the two sides is within reach during the next two or three weeks, people on both sides of the dispute said Tuesday.

    Owners of the 32 teams, scheduled to attend a meeting in Chicago Tuesday, have been told to leave their schedules open in case the session runs late that night or spills over into the following day, said several people who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the deliberations are at a sensitive stage.

    It is possible--but very unlikely--that the owners could vote on a labor deal at that meeting, said several of the people, who did not participate in the talks but are familiar with developments. It is more likely, they said, that owners could give negotiators their opinions and a deal with the players could be completed the following week.

    A deal that week, just before the July 4 holiday, appears increasingly realistic, said people on both sides of the dispute.

    Others, however, cautioned that a deal between league and the players remains less than a certainty and talks still could unravel.

    Talks between the league and the players are continuing. NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell and DeMaurice Smith, executive director of the dissolved players’ union, participated in mediated negotiations in each of the previous two weeks, along with small groups of owners and players.

    The talks were held in New York last week and in Chicago the previous week.

    The talks resumed Tuesday in Maryland, and a meeting was also scheduled for Wednesday. People from both sides who are following them closely said the progress made this week will determine what happens at next week’s owners meeting. Any deal would have to be approved by at least 24 of the 32 owners.

    It also appears that the dialogue between the two sides is taking place via informal talks between the formal negotiating meetings.

    It is considered unlikely that this week’s talks would produce a tentative deal for the owners to vote on next week.

    Players have been locked out by owners since March 12, a day after talks collapsed, the players dissolved their union and they filed an antitrust lawsuit against the owners. The regular season is scheduled to begin Sept. 8.

    [URL]http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/progress-in-nfl-talks-puts-deal-within-reach/2011/06/14/AGHFRaUH_story.html[/URL]

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    After taking off past two rounds of talks in Chicago and on Long Island, lawyers back involved in these meetings. This time it's good

    [URL]http://twitter.com/#!/AdamSchefter[/URL]


    Ultimately, a deal can't get done without the lawyers so, yes, it may be a good sign that they are involved this time around.

    [URL]http://twitter.com/#!/mortreport[/URL]
    Last edited by C Mart; 06-14-2011 at 12:45 PM.

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