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    Obama Press confrence WTF

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...d-on-taxes/?hp

    3:45 p.m. | Updated President Obama said Wednesday that he believed Republicans would concede to tax increases as part of a deficit reduction package in time to avoid a default on the nation’s debt, and voiced exasperation at the lack of progress in negotiations between the administration and Congressional leaders.



    “Call me naïve,” he told reporters at a midday news conference in the East Room of the White House. “But my expectation is that leaders are going to lead.”
    The leader of the free world mad that he can't get a deal because of a lack of leadership. You can't make this stuff up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...d-on-taxes/?hp



    The leader of the free world mad that he can't get a deal because of a lack of leadership. You can't make this stuff up.
    This is an obvious case of the pot calling the kettle... oh wait, that's racist

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    the GOP isn't governing like adults.

    in negotiations, the democrats have made compromises on spending cuts. the Gop doesn't want to budge on a single tax increase. Not even corporate private Jet write-offs or Oil industry subsidies.

    there's no way this deficit can be closed by pure spending cuts. It's not feasible. the Gop needs to get real.

    or maybe not... maybe their tactic is to destroy the USA's credit rating, so they can get elected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    the GOP isn't governing like adults.

    in negotiations, the democrats have made compromises on spending cuts. the Gop doesn't want to budge on a single tax increase. Not even corporate private Jet write-offs or Oil industry subsidies.

    there's no way this deficit can be closed by pure spending cuts. It's not feasible. the Gop needs to get real.

    or maybe not... maybe their tactic is to destroy the USA's credit rating, so they can get elected.
    So you're saying that cutting corporate jet write offs and changing tax law to punish one particular industry is going to make a difference in the massive deficit? Or maybe Obama needs to stick a token tax increase in to the discussion to save face and help himself get reelected? Hmm.. Seems like the latter is true. Obama is willing to sink our credit rating in order to win political talking points for the next election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    in negotiations, the democrats have made compromises on spending cuts.
    Cool.

    Can you list them for us? In detail, please.

    there's no way this deficit can be closed by pure spending cuts. It's not feasible. the Gop needs to get real.
    How would you feel if it was a half and half deal Bit?

    1.4 Trillion in Deficit, so 700 Billion in Cuts, 700 Billion in Tax Increases (including making the majority of the 50% who pay no Net taxes actually pay something in). Sound like a good deal?

    or maybe not... maybe their tactic is to destroy the USA's credit rating, so they can get elected.
    Our National Credit Rating will not be destroyed, because we would not, and can not, default. Even if the debt limit is not raised. We can and will pay the interest and debt we owe, unless we choose (stress choose) not to.

    http://webcache.googleusercontent.co...www.google.com

    The worry that we will default is pure fear-mongering (funny, since folks used to so loudly decry such fear-mingering, about terrorism, under Bush but now seem to eat it up when Obama says jump).

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    Republicans.

    Premenstrual since 2008.

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    Obama mentioned private jet owners four times...his class warfare, soak the rich tactic is pure desperation...the way he keeps referring to "millionaires and billionaires"...his tax hikes would affect those making over 250K. Hardly private jet owners...class warfare...Hope and Change from the "One"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    How would you feel if it was a half and half deal Bit?

    1.4 Trillion in Deficit, so 700 Billion in Cuts, 700 Billion in Tax Increases (including making the majority of the 50% who pay no Net taxes actually pay something in). Sound like a good deal?
    sign me up!


    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Our National Credit Rating will not be destroyed, because we would not, and can not, default. Even if the debt limit is not raised. We can and will pay the interest and debt we owe, unless we choose (stress choose) not to.
    a fact that link cruises by... if they only pay the interest and not the other obligations it's a huge mess. if the credit rating worsens (which it undoubtedly would), rates raise and the interest problem gets worse. the deficit actually gets bigger in this scenario... even bigger than not raising the debt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker134 View Post
    Obama mentioned private jet owners four times...his class warfare, soak the rich tactic is pure desperation...the way he keeps referring to "millionaires and billionaires"...his tax hikes would affect those making over 250K. Hardly private jet owners...class warfare...Hope and Change from the "One"
    can anyone really justify the private jet write off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker134 View Post
    ...his tax hikes would affect those making over 250K.
    The top 1% then, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    The top 1% then, right?
    No sir, I am a believer in supply side economics...cut corporate, capital gain and income taxes...co's will begin hiring again. Obama is an ideologue at his core. He's also been bought and paid for by the unions..he will go down in flames in '12, then go back to his radical friends in Chicago as a hero...and then he'll start making his millions, Bill Clinton style.

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    The Reagan blue print for tax increases are starring the President in the face. He has an opportunity to raise taxes and lower rates on both individuals and corporations something the Republicans are clearly ready to do. The Democrats don't want reform they want to push the Republicans in the corner by keeping the Bush tax cuts in play. It plays well to the Democratic base.

    Amazing to me this guy is willing to kill a deal that could do this country serious good over partisan politics.

    He really is gutless when it comes to tax reform.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker134 View Post
    No sir, I am a believer in supply side economics...cut corporate, capital gain and income taxes...co's will begin hiring again. Obama is an ideologue at his core. He's also been bought and paid for by the unions..he will go down in flames in '12, then go back to his radical friends in Chicago as a hero...and then he'll start making his millions, Bill Clinton style.
    Besides the point.

    Do people who make 250k constitute the top 1% of earners in the US? It's just a question. Don't be scared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Besides the point.

    Do people who make 250k constitute the top 1% of earners in the US? It's just a question. Don't be scared.
    The do but they also represent a good portion of the population in the tri state area and they have expenses and buy stuff just like everyone else.

    Why not trade off lower rates for a reduction in deductions and subsidies? The rich will pay more and get the benifit of a predictable long term tax plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    the GOP isn't governing like adults.

    in negotiations, the democrats have made compromises on spending cuts. the Gop doesn't want to budge on a single tax increase. Not even corporate private Jet write-offs or Oil industry subsidies.

    there's no way this deficit can be closed by pure spending cuts. It's not feasible. the Gop needs to get real.

    or maybe not... maybe their tactic is to destroy the USA's credit rating, so they can get elected.
    Just like Obama and his croonies for the first 2 years. The Republicans are trying to clean up the Obama runaway train!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    Why not trade off lower rates for a reduction in deductions and subsidies? The rich will pay more and get the benifit of a predictable long term tax plan.
    Because they won't go for it.

    Do you think that it was poor people who lobbied congress to get the tax code the way it is now? The rich like the tax code the way it is right now...despite all their belly-aching.

    You know the "flat tax" some liber-repub-liberals try to trot out? yeah. People like me will pay less. The rich will pay much more. If you think they're really gonna go for that, that I have a few dozen bridges I'd like to sell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    the GOP isn't governing like adults.

    in negotiations, the democrats have made compromises on spending cuts. the Gop doesn't want to budge on a single tax increase. Not even corporate private Jet write-offs or Oil industry subsidies.

    there's no way this deficit can be closed by pure spending cuts. It's not feasible. the Gop needs to get real.

    or maybe not... maybe their tactic is to destroy the USA's credit rating, so they can get elected.
    OIL COMPANIES DO NOT RECEIVE "SUBSIDIES". STOP GETTING YOUR NEWS STRICTLY FROM MSNBC AND KEITH OLBERMANN.

    How about simplifying the tax codes? How about expecting companies like Obama-buddy GE to pay ANY taxes? How about ADDRESSING some of the problems rather than sitting back and attacking Paul Ryan and saying Republicans want to throw 8 year old autistic children in wheelchairs off cliffs? How about NOT pitting Americans against each other with class warfare rhetoric?

    And the REPUBLICANS aren't "governing like adults"? Obama has yet to FRAKKING GOVERN. He has yet to propose ANYTHING OF ANY SUBSTANCE IN 3YEARS.

    HE HAD BOTH HOUSES OF CONGRESS FOR 2 YEARS!! And did nothing but SPEND TRILLIONS and invent a NEW entitlement program. He addressed NOTHING of substance, his policies have INCREASED unemployment, further weakened the economy, and has the U.S. Economy on the brink for his entire term of office....

    But yeah, its the Republicans.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    The Reagan blue print for tax increases are starring the President in the face. He has an opportunity to raise taxes and lower rates on both individuals and corporations something the Republicans are clearly ready to do. The Democrats don't want reform they want to push the Republicans in the corner by keeping the Bush tax cuts in play. It plays well to the Democratic base.

    Amazing to me this guy is willing to kill a deal that could do this country serious good over partisan politics.

    He really is gutless when it comes to tax reform.
    Please explain this in more detail (no sarcasm intended, just for educational purposes.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jet_Engine1 View Post
    OIL COMPANIES DO NOT RECEIVE "SUBSIDIES".
    The conservative think-tank "Heritage Foundation"....ummm....begs to differ.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2...d-on-taxes/?hp



    The leader of the free world mad that he can't get a deal because of a lack of leadership. You can't make this stuff up.
    He continues to show a disturbing lack of leadership skills when it comes to dealing with the legislature. The GOP and even his own party can control a message better than he can.

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