Results 1 to 17 of 17

Thread: antibiotics in industrial farming

  1. #1
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Philly
    Posts
    38,782
    Post Thanks / Like

    antibiotics in industrial farming

    so Cargill recalls 30+ million pounds of turkey meat. That is troubling but contamination happens.

    the problem is that the salmonella strain in the meat is resistant to 3 types of common antibiotics. there are other antibiotics but they are expensive and eventually could be proven ineffective as well.

    how does this happen? farmers distribute 4x the amount of antibiotics to farm animals than doctors do to people. they put a low dose in the food to make em grow faster... and also to fight the health risk brought on by the terrible conditions they are often raised in.

    but that sets up bacterial resistant strains. It's too low a dose to kill the germ and they evolve stronger.

    what is my point putting this in a political forum?

    the FDA and other gov't agencies (congress) need to step in and severely limit this practice, before we have real plague-like situation. if the price of chicken goes up, a little, so be it, it's way better than having roving super bugs out there that we can't fight.

    and that's why gov't regulations are required, if it was up to the free market, this is what happens, Infected turkey meat that we can't fight.

    even fox news agrees with me

    [url]http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/08/04/truth-about-ground-turkey-and-salmonella-outbreak/[/url]

  2. #2
    Jets Insider VIP
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    18,353
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=bitonti;4092300]so Cargill recalls 30+ million pounds of turkey meat. That is troubling but contamination happens.

    the problem is that the salmonella strain in the meat is resistant to 3 types of common antibiotics. there are other antibiotics but they are expensive and eventually could be proven ineffective as well.

    how does this happen? farmers distribute 4x the amount of antibiotics to farm animals than doctors do to people. they put a low dose in the food to make em grow faster... and also to fight the health risk brought on by the terrible conditions they are often raised in.

    but that sets up bacterial resistant strains. It's too low a dose to kill the germ and they evolve stronger.

    what is my point putting this in a political forum?

    the FDA and other gov't agencies (congress) need to step in and severely limit this practice, before we have real plague-like situation. if the price of chicken goes up, a little, so be it, it's way better than having roving super bugs out there that we can't fight.

    and that's why gov't regulations are required, if it was up to the free market, this is what happens, Infected turkey meat that we can't fight.

    even fox news agrees with me

    [url]http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/08/04/truth-about-ground-turkey-and-salmonella-outbreak/[/url][/QUOTE]

    Agreed...there is a place for government. BUT our government creates a bloated, many times "union backed" workforce that really doesn't care except whats in it for them. They RUN for the doors at 5pm. Most government operates EXACTLY like the post office.

    Madoff was handed on a silver platter to the SEC and the SEC heads niece was married to a relative of Madoffs??? NOTHING was done.

    We want effective government...not the bloated, overpaid, over fringed people we have now.

  3. #3
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Van down by the river
    Posts
    22,451
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=bitonti;4092300]the FDA and other gov't agencies (congress) need to step in and severely limit this practice, before we have real plague-like situation. if the price of chicken goes up, a little, so be it, it's way better than having roving super bugs out there that we can't fight. [/QUOTE]

    Wrong. The government caused this.

    The Chicken Reinvestment Act of 1954 is the culprit. I know, I know...that was decades ago. But it is definitely at fault.

    I will now keep repeating that lie over and over again until it becomes truthy.

  4. #4
    Jets Insider VIP
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    14,776
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4092307]Agreed...there is a place for government. BUT our government creates a bloated, many times "union backed" workforce that really doesn't care except whats in it for them. They RUN for the doors at 5pm. Most government operates EXACTLY like the post office.

    Madoff was handed on a silver platter to the SEC and the SEC heads niece was married to a relative of Madoffs??? NOTHING was done.

    We want effective government...not the bloated, overpaid, over fringed people we have now.[/QUOTE]

    40 hour work weeks are for the lazy now?

  5. #5
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Philly
    Posts
    38,782
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4092319]Wrong. The government caused this.

    The Chicken Reinvestment Act of 1954 is the culprit. I know, I know...that was decades ago. But it is definitely at fault.

    I will now keep repeating that lie over and over again until it becomes truthy.[/QUOTE]

    lol PK is the sarcasm king. get a credit card buddy

  6. #6
    Jets Insider VIP
    Join Date
    May 2004
    Location
    New Jersey
    Posts
    6,182
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=bitonti;4092300]so Cargill recalls 30+ million pounds of turkey meat. That is troubling but contamination happens.

    the problem is that the salmonella strain in the meat is resistant to 3 types of common antibiotics. there are other antibiotics but they are expensive and eventually could be proven ineffective as well.

    how does this happen? farmers distribute 4x the amount of antibiotics to farm animals than doctors do to people. they put a low dose in the food to make em grow faster... and also to fight the health risk brought on by the terrible conditions they are often raised in.

    but that sets up bacterial resistant strains. It's too low a dose to kill the germ and they evolve stronger.

    what is my point putting this in a political forum?

    the FDA and other gov't agencies (congress) need to step in and severely limit this practice, before we have real plague-like situation. if the price of chicken goes up, a little, so be it, it's way better than having roving super bugs out there that we can't fight.

    and that's why gov't regulations are required, if it was up to the free market, this is what happens, Infected turkey meat that we can't fight.

    even fox news agrees with me

    [URL]http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/08/04/truth-about-ground-turkey-and-salmonella-outbreak/[/URL][/QUOTE]

    Didn't the FDA setup the guidelines that are allowing them to underdose the birds in the first place? This is similar to the (MMS) government oversight commitee giving the Deepwater Horizon a Saftey award before it exploded. The FDA definitely has a place in the government but only GOOD regulation is valuable. Regulation for its own sake is worthless and in tis case dangerous.

  7. #7
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Philly
    Posts
    38,782
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=Trades;4092424]Didn't the FDA setup the guidelines that are allowing them to underdose the birds in the first place? .[/QUOTE]

    actually the FDA set up guidelines to get animals away from drugs, not encouraging drugs but the problem is FDA guidance documents are in no way enforceable by law.

    [quote]
    FDA’s guidance documents, including this guidance, do not establish legally enforceable responsibilities. Instead, guidances describe the Agency’s current thinking on a topic and should be viewed only as recommendations, unless specific regulatory or statutory requirements are cited. The use of the word 'should' in Agency guidances means that something is suggested or recommended, but not required.[/quote]

  8. #8
    Jets Insider VIP
    Join Date
    Sep 2005
    Location
    NC
    Posts
    18,353
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=cr726;4092393]40 hour work weeks are for the lazy now?[/QUOTE]

    They are present ONLY 40 hours, they work probably 25.

    In the private sector...the end product is what is sold, not the effort.

  9. #9
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Van down by the river
    Posts
    22,451
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4092485]They are present ONLY 40 hours, they work probably 25.

    In the private sector...the end product is what is sold, not the effort.[/QUOTE]

    So privatize f*cking everything then.

    Get a freaking soapbox and start calling for the privatization of our entire government. Privatize the military too....because, you know...those jerks are lazy because they're not in the private sector.

  10. #10
    All League
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar
    Posts
    4,779
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=bitonti;4092300]


    [B]the problem is that the salmonella strain in the meat is resistant to 3 types of common antibiotics. there are other antibiotics but they are expensive and eventually could be proven ineffective as well. [/B]


    [/QUOTE]

    AKA Evolution

  11. #11
    All League
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar
    Posts
    4,779
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4092485]They are present ONLY 40 hours, they work probably 25.

    In the private sector...the end product is what is sold, not the effort.[/QUOTE]


    and you know this, how?

  12. #12
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Apr 2003
    Location
    Philly
    Posts
    38,782
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=Buster;4092797]AKA Evolution[/QUOTE]

    in fairness to the right, true creationists are getting rarer by the day. Intelligent design is the theory du jour: a higher power setting everything in motion.

  13. #13
    All Pro
    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Posts
    6,656
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=bitonti;4093103]in fairness to the right, true creationists are getting rarer by the day. Intelligent design is the theory du jour: a higher power setting everything in motion.[/QUOTE]

    I don't have much of an agenda in this matter. My question is how does evolution explain how life began? I understand how existing life evolved over time but what explains the creation of life itself?

  14. #14
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Van down by the river
    Posts
    22,451
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4093143]I understand how existing life evolved over time but what explains the creation of life itself?[/QUOTE]

    The same question applies to creationists. Where did the creator come from?

  15. #15
    All League
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar
    Posts
    4,779
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4093186]The same question applies to creationists. Where did the creator come from?[/QUOTE]




    Wow!

    I had this self same discussion in my dorm room back in the [REDACTED]'s.

    Were you there?

  16. #16
    All League
    Join Date
    Jan 2006
    Location
    East of the Jordan, West of the Rock of Gibraltar
    Posts
    4,779
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=bitonti;4093103]in fairness to the right, true creationists are getting rarer by the day. Intelligent design is the theory du jour: a higher power setting everything in motion.[/QUOTE]

    it is out there

    When Republican Congressman Jack Kingston from Georgia was on Bill Maher 2 or 3 months ago and Maher used the example of antibiotics no longer working as well as they once did as an example of evolution. Kingston said he never had heard about antibiotics not working.

    Really?

    Do these guys think thru their ‘positions’, do they see what their opponents positions are and compare them with their own do they ask questions or do they just get the paperwork from the Republican recruiting office nod their head and move on?

  17. #17
    Hall Of Fame
    Join Date
    Feb 2006
    Location
    Van down by the river
    Posts
    22,451
    Post Thanks / Like
    [QUOTE=Buster;4093776]Wow!

    I had this self same discussion in my dorm room back in the [REDACTED]'s.

    Were you there?[/QUOTE]

    It's the [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kobayashi_Maru"]Kobayashi Maru[/URL] question for creationists. They think atheists are dumb for thinking that something came from nothing...but the entire basis of their belief system is that something came from nothing.

    It's pure lolz to watch them twist in the wind. But, they are programmed to respond "He's always existed" and you're supposed to just accept it. Lolz.

Bookmarks

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  

Follow Us