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    'Kick the Poor'

    [SIZE="3"][B]'Kick the Poor' - defunding social services for those in need - is a cruel new political sport[/B][/SIZE]

    Albor Ruiz - Ny Local
    Saturday, August 6th 2011, 4:00 AM

    It is a popular - if perverse - new sport among politicians of both parties.

    Its name is "Kicking the Poor," and its object is to squeeze or de-fund as many social service programs as possible.

    For extra points, the players are expected to rip apart the precarious safety net that has kept millions of needy Americans above water.

    "It is a sad time," said Lucy Cabrera, who for 24 years has been the dedicated and effective president and CEO of the Food Bank for New York, the city's largest hunger-relief group.

    It provides food to more than 1,000 soup kitchens and food pantries.

    Cabrera is leaving her post at the end of September. She goes with a heavy heart and great concern about what her successor will have to contend with.

    "This job has given me many rewards, and it is sad to leave at a time when funding cuts will probably get worse and will impact every social service program in the country," she said.

    The cuts will definitely get worse. The debt deal pushed through by Congress and signed by the President could be a disaster for the Food Bank.

    Particularly nasty are the reductions to emergency food programs, which will be devastating for a number of families for whom they are a last defense against hunger.

    For all intents and purposes, these reductions condemn thousands of low and middle-income New York households, already reeling under the weight of the recession, to a life of poverty.

    In real terms, the spending reductions mean they - low and middle-income families - are the ones paying for the default-avoiding plan that was concocted in Washington without concern for its impact on the lives of ordinary Americans.

    "There will be pain, and our job is to lessen that pain," Cabrera said. That mission has become a grueling, frustrating, uphill battle.

    "Thousands of social service programs that for years have worked very hard to be a safety net for the poor will be hit even harder," Cabrera said.

    "We are reaching out to the public sector," to be able to continue their efforts on behalf of the disadvantaged, she added.

    The Community Kitchen & Food Pantry, one of the Food Bank's flagship programs, took a major hit from the new political sport.

    "The state Department of Health, without warning, cut all funding," Cabrera explained.

    The funding cuts translate into a loss of more than 800,000 meals per year at a time when the program has experienced a 30% increase in meal distribution last year.

    Also, more than 4,000 families who access the food pantry services would be affected.

    "We will not let it die," Cabrera vowed. "But the only way to keep it going is by getting private-sector funding."

    Even more ominous are the impending cuts to federal anti-hunger programs.

    In April, the House of Representatives voted to cut the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance/Program/SNAP (food stamps) by $127 billion over 10 years, even though the number of Americans receiving food stamps rose to a record 45.8 million in May. Here, 1.7 million New Yorkers receive them, the majority of them families with children.

    A Senate vote on the fate of SNAP could happen any day, and if the bill passes, the Food Bank would lose a sixth of all emergency food, resulting in a loss of 10 million meals.

    With 1.5 million New Yorkers relying on the Food Bank's programs and services, such cuts would be nothing less than immoral.

    Who cares? Not our so-called political leaders, for whom kicking the poor is the name of the game.

    [url]http://www.nydailynews.com/ny_local/2011/08/06/2011-08-06_kick_the_poor__defunding_social_services_for_those_in_need__is_a_cruel_new_polit.html?print=1&page=all[/url]

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    so to recap:

    protect [B]at all costs[/B], the wealthy from having their taxes increase even if that means over 4,000 families will suffer. Its okay because all the poor families are freeloaders and a burden on society......:rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4093618]Even more ominous are the impending cuts to federal anti-hunger programs.[/QUOTE]
    What kind of starvation rate has the United States been running the past 100 years, 0%?

    Kicking the poor hard in the ass is probably the best thing our country can do for them. Who knows, some of them might actually try and improve their lives.

    [I]WASHINGTON, DC, September 16, 2008 ─ The U.S. Department of Agriculture today awarded nearly $1 million to 14 faith-based and community organizations to improve access to and awareness of USDA's Food Stamp Program.[/I]
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    EBT (Electronic Benefits Transfer), ie. "free sh*t"
    [url]http://informationreferral.tripod.com/id1.html[/url]
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    This program (who advertises on Googles AdWords) brags about finding nearly 3 million people to deliver food stamps too.

    [url]https://www.benefitscheckup.org/snap.cfm?gclid=CPy07_TsuqoCFQjc4Aod6QJ1XA[/url]

    For what it's worth - a safety net literally catches the falling - like a trapeze artist. It's not thrown to trap - like a fish net from a boat.

    ................................

    Downgraded US debt because of this garbage without end. Like Obamacare, like Dodd-Frank's self-serving BS, there are going to be ramifications.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4093624]so to recap:

    protect [B]at all costs[/B], the wealthy from having their taxes increase even if that means over 4,000 families will suffer. Its okay because all the poor families are freeloaders and a burden on society......:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    They are not freeloaders. They act in the same self-interest as the wealthy, as you do, as I do.

    And as safety nets become entitlements, as perks for a few become rights for great numbers, as federal employment blossoms without purpose or oversight ... it gets expensive.

    And when you add up the soak-the-rich numbers - it won't do a damn thing. In fact, all that the stupid argument over tax increases for the rich amounts to is a ploy for Democrats to curry votes.

    I did not make $10 million last year, but a little over 8,100 Americans did. If, for arguments sakes, they were taxed at 100% the number would be slightly over 1 trillion dollars and it wouldn't even be a clean fix.

    (And just imagine a 100% tax)

    I think a significant tax increase would amount to a significant receipt shortfall.

    Spending has to be cut.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;4093636]They are not freeloaders. They act in the same self-interest as the wealthy, as you do, as I do.

    And as safety nets become entitlements, as perks for a few become rights for great numbers, as federal employment blossoms without purpose or oversight ... it gets expensive.

    And when you add up the soak-the-rich numbers - it won't do a damn thing. In fact, all that the stupid argument over tax increases for the rich amounts to is a ploy for Democrats to curry votes.

    I did not make $10 million last year, but a little over 8,100 Americans did. If, for arguments sakes, they were taxed at 100% the number would be slightly over 1 trillion dollars and it wouldn't even be a clean fix.

    (And just imagine a 100% tax)

    I think a significant tax increase would amount to a significant receipt shortfall.

    Spending has to be cut.[/QUOTE]

    except military spending, of course.

    The argument is old, I understand that overtaxing the wealthy is not smart for stimulating the economy. Where there is a disconnect from my point of view is how much, in reality, the wealthy pay in taxes by percentage.

    Argument one: The numbers don't lie, the wealthy pay a higher percentage in taxes then everyone else.

    Argument two: The numbers lie. The wealthy can hide and divert earnings (especially investment earnings) and thus get away with not paying the same percentage, [B]in reality[/B], on earnings as others. Tax loop holes are exploited as well which is one of the reasons why there are well paid accountants in the world.

    The debate goes on. But while the debate continues one thing is for certain; the millionaires are not getting their taxes raised and many social programs are being cut.
    Last edited by intelligentjetsfan; 08-06-2011 at 10:45 AM.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4093647]But while the debate continues one thing is for certain; the millionaires are not getting their taxes raised and many social programs are being cut.[/QUOTE]
    The two conditions you mention have nothing to do with each other except for when a politician wishes to employ class envy as a wedge issue to gain votes - a tactic that should be, by the way, far less effective in the wake of a national downgrade from S&P.

    I think we're adjusting to a new normal.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;4093660]The two conditions you mention have nothing to do with each other except for when a politician wishes to employ class envy as a wedge issue to gain votes - a tactic that should be, by the way, far less effective in the wake of a national downgrade from S&P.

    I think we're adjusting to a new normal.[/QUOTE]

    I don't understand how the issue of generating revenue through taxes and cutting programs due to lack of revenue are not correlated in anyway? :huh:

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4093685]I don't understand how the issue of generating revenue through taxes and cutting programs due to lack of revenue are not correlated in anyway? :huh:[/QUOTE]

    If the NE wasn't overburdened with property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes paying 6 figure salaries to cops and teachers... there would be money available for these programs.

    Spending on our fine civil servants has DRAINED the public.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4093748]If the NE wasn't overburdened with property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes paying 6 figure salaries to cops and teachers... there would be money available for these programs.

    Spending on our fine civil servants has DRAINED the public.[/QUOTE]

    Except is it not only the NE states with financial issues now is it.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4093624]so to recap:

    protect [B]at all costs[/B], the wealthy from having their taxes increase even if that means over 4,000 families will suffer. Its okay because all the poor families are freeloaders and a burden on society......:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    Dude. The top 1% ONLY own 93% of the US wealth. If it wasn't for tree-hugging a**hats like you, those poor people would own 96%.

    [B][SIZE="7"]HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT!!! HOOOWWWWW!!![/SIZE][/B]

    You sit in your sh*tty apartment grinning whilst some poor rich person can only afford 6 months worth of green fees. You should be ashamed of yourself. His kids only get to drive a Lexus and not a BMW.

    [B][SIZE="5"][B]HAVE YOU NO SHAME!!!![/B][/SIZE][/B]

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4094111]Dude. The top 1% ONLY own 93% of the US wealth. If it wasn't for tree-hugging a**hats like you, those poor people would own 96%.

    [B][SIZE="7"]HOW DO YOU SLEEP AT NIGHT!!! HOOOWWWWW!!![/SIZE][/B]

    You sit in your sh*tty apartment grinning whilst some poor rich person can only afford 6 months worth of green fees. You should be ashamed of yourself. His kids only get to drive a Lexus and not a BMW.

    [B][SIZE="5"][B]HAVE YOU NO SHAME!!!![/B][/SIZE][/B][/QUOTE]

    Don't worry, once the top 1% owns 96% of the wealth instead of the current 93%(and believe me, its a matter of when not if) it will trickle down to the rest of us and make the economy better. See, controling 93% of the wealth is not enough but 96% will open things up for the rest of us in society.
    Last edited by intelligentjetsfan; 08-06-2011 at 11:39 PM.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4093748]If the NE wasn't overburdened with property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes paying 6 figure salaries to cops and teachers... there would be money available for these programs.

    Spending on our fine civil servants has DRAINED the public.[/QUOTE]

    Really? How do you justify stealing from the pension system for 20+ years and having those public emplyees pay back into the pension again. And yea, you don't want for teachers, cops and firemen making any money, cause who the fukc needs them.

    Same excuse every time is that the public employees are the reason for your property taxes.

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    To be honest the poor are not on either party's radar. The entitlements that are killing this country are for the middle class. A craddle to grave middle class life style isn't guaranteed in a world that is going through a communications revolution.

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4094287]To be honest the poor are not on either party's radar. The entitlements that are killing this country are for the middle class. A craddle to grave middle class life style isn't guaranteed in a world that is going through a communications revolution.[/QUOTE]


    Why the poor don't see this is beyond me. I remember being in junior high school , getting a summer job through the county and noticing ALL the kids lining up and thinking we are sheep. A bunch of county workers "monitoring" the summer work.

    It was a cluster F*CK. Yet, it was to help the poor. (I was then).

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4093748]If the NE wasn't overburdened with property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes paying 6 figure salaries to cops and teachers... there would be money available for these programs.

    Spending on our fine civil servants has DRAINED the public.[/QUOTE]

    Dude, I'm beginning to think you must have been raped by a public school teacher or something, you are downright demented in your obsession.

    Public pensions DID NOT cause the current fiscal state, nor will cutting them solve it.

    And STOP the nonsense of six figure salaries to teachers. I can tell you on my town the number of teachers making 6 figure is ZERO. Silly crap like that just makes you seem ridiculous.

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    [QUOTE=FF2;4094448]Dude, I'm beginning to think you must have been raped by a public school teacher or something, you are downright demented in your obsession.

    Public pensions DID NOT cause the current fiscal state, nor will cutting them solve it.

    And STOP the nonsense of six figure salaries to teachers. I can tell you on my town the number of teachers making 6 figure is ZERO. Silly crap like that just makes you seem ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

    I wonder what the excuses will be after this bill will take effect and property taxes still go up and the economy continues to deflate.

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    [QUOTE=FF2;4094448]Dude, I'm beginning to think you must have been raped by a public school teacher or something, you are downright demented in your obsession.

    Public pensions DID NOT cause the current fiscal state, nor will cutting them solve it.

    And STOP the nonsense of six figure salaries to teachers. I can tell you on my town the number of teachers making 6 figure is ZERO. Silly crap like that just makes you seem ridiculous.[/QUOTE]

    [CENTER]:clapper: :clapper: :clapper:[/CENTER]

    Yeah, its all the cops and teachers fault...has NOTHING to do with the half assed and blatantly reckless practices by the Fannie Mae/Wall Street types...nope nothing to see here, just move along. OMG, hey look, there is a second grade teacher making 40k a year! :eek:

    All cops, firefighters and teachers should make the same minimum wage, sure that sounds like something that'd take place in a communist/socialist country but that pesky fact will cease to exist if you ignore it!

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    Helping the poor is fine thing. But when the help makes them entitled the help is not help anymore it is government slavery. Tough word to hear but the truth!

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;4094859]Helping the poor is fine thing. But when the help makes them entitled the help is not help anymore it is government slavery. Tough word to hear but the truth![/QUOTE]

    Convince the masses to blame the poor for being poor and thus an unfair burden on society. Roger Ailes continues to do a wonderful job reshaping the narrative........

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4095238]Convince the masses to blame the poor for being poor and thus an unfair burden on society. Roger Ailes continues to do a wonderful job reshaping the narrative........[/QUOTE]

    I notice that there are still plenty of jobs at the bottom end of the spectrum.

    I grew up on welfare, worked 3 jobs to go to college.

    You want to lock these people to government programs and public housing????

    Hasn't worked for 40 years yet it makes some feel so good.

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