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    London Rioting

    This is the third day of rioting in London after a man was shot by the Police in Tottenham. And rioting has now spread to Birmingham and Liverpool. The PM has cut his trip to Italy short and is returning home.

    [URL]http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/08/london-riots-escalate-police-battle[/URL]

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    The police in Britain (and elsewhere) do not have a good reputation, and are known for shoot first ask questions later - these events were sparked by yet another police shooting incident of a man with no apparent violent background.

    Anyway, found this on the RAWK website written by one of the mods who lives in London, thought it worth posting here:

    "When it happens again tonight, and it almost certainly will, it would be good if we could lay off some of the hyperbole and spare a bit of consideration for how we prevent this happening again for the long term. We need to hold everyone to account - the little c*nts who carried out the violence and the politicians of every party who have created the ****holes they live in.

    London is riddled with gangs who live within our society, but have no engagement with it. I'll bet anything that at the heart of each of those outbreaks was a gang. Have a look at the maps and lists of gangs on here:

    [url]http://sites.google.com/site/londonstreetgangs/[/url]

    Any clues there? Gangs in Waltham Forest, Brixton, Enfield, Hackney, Camden, Croydon, Lewisham, Harrow, Greenwich, Clapham... It wasn't 'random violence' with no pattern. The pattern is there staring us in the face.

    I have no doubt last night was a contest. It was the gangs of London playing a game of one-upmanship - who could burn the most, who could nick the most, who had the biggest balls.

    So no, these weren't 'political' acts. This wasn't the disaffected youth rising up against their masters. They couldn't give a flying ****. But they are the result of political decisions.

    I have no idea what the answer is because clearly there is little political will to do anything constructive. We'll probably get calls for 'tougher policing' and harsher penalties for people who see going to prison as a rite of passage, probably have a life expectancy of thirty and expect to get shot or stabbed in the 'normal' course of their lives.

    Anyway, I've said my piece. I'm sure I'll get slagged off as a woolly-headed liberal but I really couldn't give a ****. Until and unless people start to deal with the reality of our society this will happen again and again but in worse and more violent ways.

    London is a great city and it's one I still feel comfortable to walk around pretty much anywhere at anytime of the day or night. The wrong political decisions in reaction to the last few days could change that forever.

    Complicated problems need complicated solutions."

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    I didn't realize it had reached this magnitude in London.

    Similar events recently in the US referred to as "flash mobs" in places such as Philadelphia and Milwaukee. However, not to the level of London...yet.

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    I didn't know about the gang aspect of the riots I thoght it was something like the Rodney King riots in the early 90s

    But some of the pictures are unreal, it looks like the police have lost control of the city

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    Believe me, they're rioting in England because they're bored.

    Summer temps rarely go above 72 degrees F. No happening beaches, no pools, no sun, no fun. Rain (drizzle).

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    This is a good example of why there needs to be a mandatory draft. It's a good way to get pimpled young men with testosterone pulsing through their veins off the street.

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    [QUOTE=Black Death;4096706]The police in Britain (and elsewhere) do not have a good reputation, and are known for shoot first ask questions later - these events were sparked by yet another police shooting incident of a man with no apparent violent background.

    Anyway, found this on the RAWK website written by one of the mods who lives in London, thought it worth posting here:

    "When it happens again tonight, and it almost certainly will, it would be good if we could lay off some of the hyperbole and spare a bit of consideration for how we prevent this happening again for the long term. We need to hold everyone to account - the little c*nts who carried out the violence and the politicians of every party who have created the ****holes they live in.

    London is riddled with gangs who live within our society, but have no engagement with it. I'll bet anything that at the heart of each of those outbreaks was a gang. Have a look at the maps and lists of gangs on here:

    [URL]http://sites.google.com/site/londonstreetgangs/[/URL]

    Any clues there? Gangs in Waltham Forest, Brixton, Enfield, Hackney, Camden, Croydon, Lewisham, Harrow, Greenwich, Clapham... It wasn't 'random violence' with no pattern. The pattern is there staring us in the face.

    I have no doubt last night was a contest. It was the gangs of London playing a game of one-upmanship - who could burn the most, who could nick the most, who had the biggest balls.

    So no, these weren't 'political' acts. This wasn't the disaffected youth rising up against their masters. They couldn't give a flying ****. But they are the result of political decisions.

    I have no idea what the answer is because clearly there is little political will to do anything constructive. We'll probably get calls for 'tougher policing' and harsher penalties for people who see going to prison as a rite of passage, probably have a life expectancy of thirty and expect to get shot or stabbed in the 'normal' course of their lives.

    Anyway, I've said my piece. I'm sure I'll get slagged off as a woolly-headed liberal but I really couldn't give a ****. Until and unless people start to deal with the reality of our society this will happen again and again but in worse and more violent ways.

    London is a great city and it's one I still feel comfortable to walk around pretty much anywhere at anytime of the day or night. The wrong political decisions in reaction to the last few days could change that forever.

    Complicated problems need complicated solutions."[/QUOTE]

    What exactly is your solution? I think the mandatory draft idea by Winston makes sense.

    Not sure about the boredom excuse by Albany? So you are saying that all it would take is a public pool and this never would have happened? :rolleyes:

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    Heaven forbid there would be a draft.

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4097076]What exactly is your solution? I think the mandatory draft idea by Winston makes sense.

    Not sure about the boredom excuse by Albany? So you are saying that all it would take is a public pool and this never would have happened? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    I actually have no idea - I just reposted the above because the dude lives in London and seems to have an idea of what he is talking about, as other people on the forum living in London agree with him. Whether he's actually right or not I have no idea - it seems from my perspective what you have there is just gangs of youths trying to one-up each other and I don't really know what he is talking about in terms of government action or lack thereof. Clearly though there is some issue at stake if you've got certain suburbs in London under the torch.

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;4097094]Heaven forbid there would be a draft.[/QUOTE]

    You think kids were burning down london when the British used to send them to outposts all over the world to sow their oats? A draft and a quick tour in AG is just what they need.

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    Quote from an article on the subject about why there is rioting:

    Most of the people who will be writing, speaking and pontificating about the disorder have absolutely no idea what it is like to grow up in a community where there are no jobs, no space to live or move, and the police are on the streets stopping and searching you as you come home from school. The people who do will be waking up this week in the sure knowledge that after decades of being marginalised and harassed by the police, after months of seeing any conceivable hope of a better future confiscated, they are finally on the news.

    "In one NBC report, a young man in Tottenham was asked if rioting really achieved anything.

    ''Yes,'' said the young man. ''You wouldn't be talking to me now if we didn't riot, would you? Two months ago we marched to Scotland Yard, more than 2000 of us, all blacks, and it was peaceful and calm and you know what? Not a word in the press. Last night a bit of rioting and looting and look around you.''

    Read more: [url]http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politics/anarchy-reigns-and-a-nation-struggles-to-understand-why-20110809-1il4a.html#ixzz1UYApylP6[/url]

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    This is exactly why we shouldn't be in Libya. These rioters could have been sent in to protect BP and riot in Tripoli instead of London. Win/Win.

    I don't see how this is an argument for a failed social contract? These kids are clearly unemployable right now. They lack descipline and they are lawless. You would have to be out of your skull to hire them.

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4097076]Not sure about the boredom excuse by Albany? So you are saying that all it would take is a public pool and this never would have happened? :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    I spent two (2) years in England. I loved it but the bland summers there suck! Me and a group of USAF friends of mine went to Brighton Beach in southern England one summer day. It was rainy and cold, the beach had rocks instead of sand, and the water was freezing and had no waves. :eek:

    Looking back, I now realize that we should have burned a few buildings down to get warm!

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    [QUOTE=AlbanyJet;4097564]It was rainy and cold, the beach had rocks instead of sand, and the water was freezing and had no waves. :eek:[/QUOTE]

    Go figure. A beach at 50 degrees North Latitude and the water was cold.

    Strange days indeed. Suck it Al Gore.

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    [QUOTE=Black Death;4096706] - these events were sparked by yet another police shooting incident of a man with no apparent violent background.
    [/QUOTE]
    Who apparently was shooting at the police.

    Where do you get off telling this board this bullsh*t in the UK is even an iota justified?

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    [QUOTE=Black Death;4096706]Complicated problems need complicated solutions."[/QUOTE]
    Wrong. More often than not complicated social problems have very simple solutions.

    In fact, most social problems can be traced to poorly thought out and unnecessary social solutions in the first place.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;4097575]Who apparently was shooting at the police.

    Where do you get off telling this board this bullsh*t in the UK is even an iota justified?[/QUOTE]

    From the wiki on the subject:

    "Friends and relatives of Duggan, an alleged cocaine dealer and member of the 'Star Gang', claimed that he was unarmed.[4] The IPCC stated that Duggan was carrying a loaded handgun,[21][22] but has since confirmed that there is no evidence that Duggan shot at the police.[23]"

    [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_England_riots"]link[/URL]

    ie even the police, who first claimed he shot at them, now say he didn't shoot at them.

    This "b*ll****", as you put it, is on the behalf of the London police, who are known for murdering people then claiming the person they murdered was "armed", "violent" etc etc, then having to backtrack later when the real facts come out, ie in [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Jean_Charles_de_Menezes"]this[/URL] situation for example.

    How are you feeling; vindicated?

    Edit: shouldn't have gloated in this post, but oh well.
    Last edited by Soberphobia; 08-10-2011 at 04:44 AM.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;4097575]Who apparently was shooting at the police.
    [/QUOTE]


    [QUOTE]
    [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/mark-duggan"]Mark Duggan[/URL], whose shooting by [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/police"]police[/URL] sparked [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/london"]London[/URL]'s riots, did not fire a shot at police officers before they killed him, the [URL="http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/ipcc"]Independent Police Complaints Commission[/URL] said on Tuesday.
    [/QUOTE]

    [URL]http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/aug/09/mark-duggan-police-ipcc[/URL]

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    So one shooting starts mayhem. If I owned a shop there was allowed to own a gun they would be carrying bodies out. This is what happens when entitlements are taken away. Poor spoiled brats that need a major league butt kicking.

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;4098656]So one shooting starts mayhem. If I owned a shop there was allowed to own a gun they would be carrying bodies out. This is what happens when entitlements are taken away. Poor spoiled brats that need a major league butt kicking.[/QUOTE]

    The police were in the wrong here but of course it doesn't justify these actions at all

    Aperantly the Turkish shopowners in north london are doing exactly what you're suggesting btw :D if the police can't protect them they'll be able to handle some adolescent idiots that think it's ok to be vandals I'm sure. more power to em.

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