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    My camp notes 8/11/11

    I didn't see any of the posters post their observations of camp today. I figured I would just do a very quick summary of my observations--not the usual extremely lengthy "report" that others do. I was at the main field. The afternoon started with special teams, specifically kickoffs. Lots and lots of kickoffs. They kept rotating the kickoff returners. Kerley, Cromartie and McKnight returned kicks. I didn't see anybody else rotate in. The one thing that stands out with Kerley is his quickness (not sure I can say speed). He accelerates fast, although I don't think he's running super fast. Super fast = Cromartie. He runs like a deer on these kickoffs; but we knew that already. McKnight looked pretty good as well. Noticed a lot of double wedges in blocking (two teams of two) and a lot of kickoff returns to the outside.

    They did the usual position drills. The WRs were right in front of me. Derrick Mason is such a good route runner and pass catcher. That really stood out to me. Plaxico also looked sharp. The one thing that stood out to me about him is that he looks slow, but it could be due to the length of his steps. Santonio looks like Santonio - explosive. #84 (I have no idea who that is) looked terrible. Tall guy who appeared super slow. I would cut him #84 immediately. He has to be the worst WR we have on the roster right now. Kerley dropped some balls, but, his agility was apparent.

    There were offense v. defense position drills (i.e. o-line v. d-line, RB v. LB, WR v. CB and Safety). First time Bart Scott got in there he blew the RB up at the line of scrimmage and the RB couldn't even run his pattern - incomplete pass. All of the fans were laughing. He killed that guy. David Harris, as much as it pains me to say it, didn't look very good covering the RB. Looked like he wasn't agile enough to keep up with the double and triple moves of the RB. L.T. looked really good and beat Bart Scott like a drum on one play. L.T. looked really fast - he was actually the only RB giving max effort IMO. He was running everything to the endzone like Jerry Rice would. On the CBs and Safety vs. WRs drill, Eric Smith looked really good. Cromartie was feast or famine. The WRs would score TDs on Cro or he would break up the play. Cro is Cro. Certainly looked like he was still putting his hands on guys past 5 yards at times. Revis looked good. On the o-line v. d-line drill i saw, Mo Wilkerson was an absolute beast. He looked quick and strong.

    There was the goal line offense v. defense drill, which we discussed in the other thread. Anybody who ever accuses Rex of running a soft practice should just watch that drill. I've never seen the offense and defense try to kill each other in a drill like that. It was fun to watch. The play by play is in the other thread. Was a back and forth. Defense would make big stops and the offense would also score TDs. I saw a lot of throws to the FB, TE and RB positions to outside routes in the back and front of the endzone. Both sides talking a lot of trash. I heard Holmes and Revis both screaming. There was a fight, but I couldn't see who was involved because the entire team surrounded them. Mangold got hurt on the last play of the drill and he wasn't getting up, which is why I think they may have ended the drill early. He ended up walking off on his own towards the other field after being on the ground for a long time. Drills continued without him in various places as the medical team and Rex hovered over Mangold by the endzone.

    Near me, in terms of reporters, Jenny Vrentas, Jeane Coakley was right in front of me (she was never paying attention to the field--she was talking a lot to people) and Jay Glazer was a bit off to my right.

    I thought I saw Freeman McNeil walk right in front of me. But, I haven't seen him in years. Would love to know if it was really him or not.

    EDIT: 84 Campbell, Michael WR 6-2 205 21 R
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    [QUOTE=escamoter2;4100450]I thought I saw Freeman McNeil walk right in front of me. But, I haven't seen him in years. Would love to know if it was really him or not.[/QUOTE]

    Jets great Freeman McNeil stopped by training camp today. McNeil is excited for this season!

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    [QUOTE=Noble Rot;4100455]Jets great Freeman McNeil stopped by training camp today. McNeil is excited for this season!

    [url]http://www.facebook.com/?ref=home#!/Jets[/url][/QUOTE]

    Nice!

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    A 250lb 3-4 ILB is never going to be able to keep up with a 200lb RB making double and triple moves in the open field. I wouldn't worry too much about that. Harris isn't out there to cover guys in space, and if an RB has time to make more than 1 move, he is going to burn most LBs.

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    No Ines Sainz ?

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    Another thing that just came to mind, which is pretty funny, is the people with V.I.P passes who were standing on the sidelines or sitting on the sideline during practice. Apparently, you have to have an escort lead you through the grounds and onto the field. Then, you also need an escort to lead you off of the field if you want to leave. I guess they are afraid of Belichick's spies. They were telling people with VIP passes in front of me that they couldn't leave the field and "once you're in, you're in" and they couldn't come back if they left (some of them had kids with them, which made it difficult to stay in one place watching practice for two hours). Later, there was another problem when two groups of people wanted to leave the field and the escort started to take the wrong group off of the field first. Another Jets employee got on the escort for not taking the group that was waiting the longest to leave the field.

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    Great report and very informative. Thank you!

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    [QUOTE=escamoter2;4100450]I didn't see any of the posters post their observations of camp today. I figured I would just do a very quick summary of my observations--not the usual extremely lengthy "report" that others do. I was at the main field. The afternoon started with special teams, specifically kickoffs. Lots and lots of kickoffs. They kept rotating the kickoff returners. Kerley, Cromartie and McKnight returned kicks. I didn't see anybody else rotate in. The one thing that stands out with Kerley is his quickness (not sure I can say speed). He accelerates fast, although I don't think he's running super fast. Super fast = Cromartie. He runs like a deer on these kickoffs; but we knew that already. McKnight looked pretty good as well. Noticed a lot of double wedges in blocking (two teams of two) and a lot of kickoff returns to the outside.

    They did the usual position drills. The WRs were right in front of me. Derrick Mason is such a good route runner and pass catcher. That really stood out to me. Plaxico also looked sharp. The one thing that stood out to me about him is that he looks slow, but it could be due to the length of his steps. Santonio looks like Santonio - explosive. #84 (I have no idea who that is) looked terrible. Tall guy who appeared super slow. I would cut him #84 immediately. He has to be the worst WR we have on the roster right now. Kerley dropped some balls, but, his agility was apparent.

    There were offense v. defense position drills (i.e. o-line v. d-line, RB v. LB, WR v. CB and Safety). First time Bart Scott got in there he blew the RB up at the line of scrimmage and the RB couldn't even run his pattern - incomplete pass. All of the fans were laughing. He killed that guy. David Harris, as much as it pains me to say it, didn't look very good covering the RB. Looked like he wasn't agile enough to keep up with the double and triple moves of the RB. L.T. looked really good and beat Bart Scott like a drum on one play. L.T. looked really fast - he was actually the only RB giving max effort IMO. He was running everything to the endzone like Jerry Rice would. On the CBs and Safety vs. WRs drill, Eric Smith looked really good. Cromartie was feast or famine. The WRs would score TDs on Cro or he would break up the play. Cro is Cro. Certainly looked like he was still putting his hands on guys past 5 yards at times. Revis looked good. On the o-line v. d-line drill i saw, Mo Wilkerson was an absolute beast. He looked quick and strong.

    There was the goal line offense v. defense drill, which we discussed in the other thread. Anybody who ever accuses Rex of running a soft practice should just watch that drill. I've never seen the offense and defense try to kill each other in a drill like that. It was fun to watch. The play by play is in the other thread. Was a back and forth. Defense would make big stops and the offense would also score TDs. I saw a lot of throws to the FB, TE and RB positions to outside routes in the back and front of the endzone. Both sides talking a lot of trash. I heard Holmes and Revis both screaming. There was a fight, but I couldn't see who was involved because the entire team surrounded them. Mangold got hurt on the last play of the drill and he wasn't getting up, which is why I think they may have ended the drill early. He ended up walking off on his own towards the other field after being on the ground for a long time. Drills continued without him in various places as the medical team and Rex hovered over Mangold by the endzone.

    Near me, in terms of reporters, Jenny Vrentas, Jeane Coakley was right in front of me (she was never paying attention to the field--she was talking a lot to people) and Jay Glazer was a bit off to my right.

    I thought I saw Freeman McNeil walk right in front of me. But, I haven't seen him in years. Would love to know if it was really him or not.

    EDIT: 84 Campbell, Michael WR 6-2 205 21 R[/QUOTE]

    All kinds of news. Good stuff!!!

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    [QUOTE=escamoter2;4100450]I didn't see any of the posters post their observations of camp today. I figured I would just do a very quick summary of my observations--not the usual extremely lengthy "report" that others do. I was at the main field. The afternoon started with special teams, specifically kickoffs. Lots and lots of kickoffs. They kept rotating the kickoff returners. Kerley, Cromartie and McKnight returned kicks. I didn't see anybody else rotate in. The one thing that stands out with Kerley is his quickness (not sure I can say speed). He accelerates fast, although I don't think he's running super fast. Super fast = Cromartie. He runs like a deer on these kickoffs; but we knew that already. McKnight looked pretty good as well. Noticed a lot of double wedges in blocking (two teams of two) and a lot of kickoff returns to the outside.

    They did the usual position drills. The WRs were right in front of me. Derrick Mason is such a good route runner and pass catcher. That really stood out to me. Plaxico also looked sharp. The one thing that stood out to me about him is that [B]he looks slow[/B], but it could be due to the length of his steps. Santonio looks like Santonio - explosive. #84 (I have no idea who that is) looked terrible. Tall guy who appeared super slow. I would cut him #84 immediately. He has to be the worst WR we have on the roster right now. Kerley dropped some balls, but, his agility was apparent.

    There were offense v. defense position drills (i.e. o-line v. d-line, RB v. LB, WR v. CB and Safety). First time Bart Scott got in there he blew the RB up at the line of scrimmage and the RB couldn't even run his pattern - incomplete pass. All of the fans were laughing. He killed that guy. David Harris, as much as it pains me to say it, didn't look very good covering the RB. Looked like he wasn't agile enough to keep up with the double and triple moves of the RB. L.T. looked really good and beat Bart Scott like a drum on one play. [B]L.T. looked really fast[/B] - he was actually the only RB giving max effort IMO. He was running everything to the endzone like Jerry Rice would. On the CBs and Safety vs. WRs drill, Eric Smith looked really good. Cromartie was feast or famine. The WRs would score TDs on Cro or he would break up the play. Cro is Cro. Certainly looked like he was still putting his hands on guys past 5 yards at times. Revis looked good. On the o-line v. d-line drill i saw, Mo Wilkerson was an absolute beast. He looked quick and strong.

    There was the goal line offense v. defense drill, which we discussed in the other thread. Anybody who ever accuses Rex of running a soft practice should just watch that drill. I've never seen the offense and defense try to kill each other in a drill like that. It was fun to watch. The play by play is in the other thread. Was a back and forth. Defense would make big stops and the offense would also score TDs. I saw a lot of throws to the FB, TE and RB positions to outside routes in the back and front of the endzone. Both sides talking a lot of trash. I heard Holmes and Revis both screaming. There was a fight, but I couldn't see who was involved because the entire team surrounded them. Mangold got hurt on the last play of the drill and he wasn't getting up, which is why I think they may have ended the drill early. He ended up walking off on his own towards the other field after being on the ground for a long time. Drills continued without him in various places as the medical team and Rex hovered over Mangold by the endzone.

    Near me, in terms of reporters, Jenny Vrentas, Jeane Coakley was right in front of me (she was never paying attention to the field--she was talking a lot to people) and Jay Glazer was a bit off to my right.

    I thought I saw Freeman McNeil walk right in front of me. But, I haven't seen him in years. Would love to know if it was really him or not.

    EDIT: 84 Campbell, Michael WR 6-2 205 21 R[/QUOTE]

    That's because Plaxico is slow. Last year, we had three guys -- Holmes, Edwards, and Smith -- who could take it to the house once they got their hands on the ball. This year we only have one. You can throw the ball up on a deep route and hope Plax gets it, but once he gets it, he isn't outrunning anyone. Neither is Mason. The problem with the offense last year wasn't the skill players; it was an inconsistent, inaccurate, young QB and the playcalling (at times).

    And LT is still pretty fast. He's still a good player as long as he isn't overused.

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    Thanks mate! Excellent post!

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    [QUOTE=detectivekimble;4100602]That's because Plaxico is slow. Last year, we had three guys -- Holmes, Edwards, and Smith -- who could take it to the house once they got their hands on the ball. This year we only have one. You can throw the ball up on a deep route and hope Plax gets it, but once he gets it, he isn't outrunning anyone. Neither is Mason. The problem with the offense last year wasn't the skill players; it was an inconsistent, inaccurate, young QB and the playcalling (at times).

    And LT is still pretty fast. He's still a good player as long as he isn't overused.[/QUOTE]

    how many passes did that speedster Smith catch and "take to the house" last year??

    Mason is faster and a better slot receiver than Cotchery

    Plax is a better and more sure handed redzone and possession receiver

    Holmes is Holmes


    Smith??

    kick returner with new rules making kick returners obsolete

    mediocre receiver with aligator arms

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    Thank you so much for this posting you gave excellent info!!!

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    Great stuff! Thanks.

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    [QUOTE=sg3;4100649]how many passes did that speedster Smith catch and "take to the house" last year??

    Mason is faster and a better slot receiver than Cotchery

    Plax is a better and more sure handed redzone and possession receiver

    Holmes is Holmes


    Smith??

    kick returner with new rules making kick returners obsolete

    mediocre receiver with aligator arms[/QUOTE]
    OK, but we DID lose our deep threat in Edwards. Plax probably isn't going to give us that.

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    [QUOTE=My.Favorite.Martin;4100705]OK, but we DID lose our deep threat in Edwards. Plax probably isn't going to give us that.[/QUOTE]

    Edwards gave me a heart attack every time he was open deep. His inconsistent hands(which were pretty good last year) didn't give me much confidence. If plax can show me that he will be sure handed, then i think he is an upgrade for the simple reason i don't need to have a heart attack every game

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    [QUOTE=NPTJET53;4100716]Edwards gave me a heart attack every time he was open deep. His inconsistent hands(which were pretty good last year) didn't give me much confidence. If plax can show me that he will be sure handed, then i think he is an upgrade for the simple reason i don't need to have a heart attack every game[/QUOTE]

    You having a heart attack or not has zero impact on how opposing defenses play against us. If we lost a deep threat, things will change. Plax may very well be a better receiver for short to intermediate routes though.

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    [QUOTE=My.Favorite.Martin;4100723]You having a heart attack or not has zero impact on how opposing defenses play against us. If we lost a deep threat, things will change. Plax may very well be a better receiver for short to intermediate routes though.[/QUOTE]

    The pats lost their deep threat last year (Moss) and it greatly improved their offense...

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    [QUOTE=NPTJET53;4100728]The pats lost their deep threat last year (Moss) and it greatly improved their offense...[/QUOTE]

    The pats have the best qb in the game.

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    [QUOTE=My.Favorite.Martin;4100739]The pats have the best qb in the game.[/QUOTE]

    But that's not really the point, because if having a deep threat was that vital, wouldn't "the best QB in the game" be even better WITH one than WITHOUT one?

    Granted, Brady makes it easier to do more with less. But if Sanchez can improve his accuracy/decision making, we still have guys who can "go deep" when necessary -- it just may not be one primary guy . . .

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4100742]But that's not really the point, because if having a deep threat was that vital, wouldn't "the best QB in the game" be even better WITH one than WITHOUT one?

    Granted, Brady makes it easier to do more with less. But if Sanchez can improve his accuracy/decision making, we still have guys who can "go deep" when necessary -- it just may not be one primary guy . . .[/QUOTE]

    Our offense should be better with Sanchez in year three. If we had a consistent deep threat it would take pressure off Santonio. Now opposing defenses won't have to consistently keep a safety over the top of WR2, so they can pay more attention to our best WR.

    Using Brady as an example seems silly to me. He won superbowls with no names at WR. Sanchez at this point in his career could use a bit more help.

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