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    Some people here still don't understand how this defense works...

    People don't understand that Rex's defense does not work like other defenses where pressure always has to come from the outside primarily from DE's and OLB's, those defenses tend to be easy to predict and pick apart, Rex is always disguising always attacking from different angles, that's why a 5.9 180 pound corner had 4 sacks for us last season, the moment Rex goes the traditional route that so many people want so that the success of the defense measures up with sacks and other stats we've been conditioned to believe is what makes a defense succesful, we would be dead in the water.

    We can have a 10 sack guy, maybe Pace, but I expect even if we get a top notch rusher to see more or less the same weird shenanigans from Rex, the weeks where he goes with 6 DB's and 3 DE's those kind of weird looks, the flooding of the LOS, all those things that leave you all confused, this defense does not lend itself to gaudy individual numbers, but in the end it's always at or near the top in most categories and that's what counts.

    It's the reason we beat the tar out of NE in the playoffs and three out of the last five games we've played against them and the reason Brady admitted he will never forget that loss. And the reason being that the had no fcking clue against what Rex was doing, Rex thrives on confusing the opponent and overwhelming it, I hope he keeps doing what he's doing and oh yeah... FCK THE STATS!!!
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    I believe the main objective is to keep the opposing team's offense from scoring.

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    [QUOTE=JETSET47;4108155]I believe the main objective is to keep the opposing team's offense from scoring.[/QUOTE]




    That's what they all try to do, but Rex does it better and the reason is that instead of the offense dictating to him, he does the dictating, but in order to dictate you have to disguise and become unpredictable. Teams can't really gameplan against us because they can never pin point where the pressure will come.

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    That why I think Aaron Maybin may have his best chance on the Jets. If he's got something Rex will put him in a position to use it. We could call him a db and just blitz him from anywhere on the field if need be. I'm sure Rex has lots of ideas for his new toy.

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    Tanny did a great job of replacing Gholston with Maybin!!!

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    Interresting Rex Ryan fact: Since he has been a defensive coordinator/HC only one LB has gone for double digit sacks, Adalius Thomas in 06 with 11.

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    The difference is that Maybin is really a linebacker playing out of position at end, and Gholston was no linebacker or no 3-4 end so he was lost here. Maybin has more of a chance to contribute as a 3rd down rusher than Gholston ever did.

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    [QUOTE=Woody56;4108161]Interresting Rex Ryan fact: Since he has been a defensive coordinator/HC only one LB has gone for double digit sacks, Adalius Thomas in 06 with 11.[/QUOTE]



    That's because you're just as likely to see Harris or Scott rush the passer than you are Thomas or Pace on any given down, sht sometimes it's Jimmy or the nickel the ones that were really bringing the heart, but people don't realize this because the game's moving so fast. Rex is all about disguise and confuse.

    That's why he loves the size upfront, the more you can overwhelm the opponents OL with just three guys the more chances the other guys have. If all of a sudden you have to put two guys on Ellis and two on Wilkerson on most downs because they're collapsing the pocket into the QB's face, then guess what? The floodgates will open. We did great last year, but our starting 3 (DV, P and E) were getting worn down because the only available backup was Pryce and he was too over the hill to do anything. Now we can bring it in waves with our huge backups. By the time the 4th quarter comes we'll be fresh and the OL's will be gasping for air.

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    [QUOTE=JETSET47;4108160]Tanny did a great job of replacing Gholston with Maybin!!![/QUOTE]

    It's about time you said something positive. I'm so proud of you.

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    As far as this year's defense goes. . .

    I think the talent is starting to fit the scheme.

    The d-line is younger, therfore, fresher & faster. I'm holding out on stating better (still no pass rusher), but this could possibly be a dominant unit.

    The LB's are slow as a unit. Harris is a stud. Scott can still bring it, but he's a step or two slower. Pace & Thomas are older and slower. Some of the younger LB's need to step up.

    We're set at CB. The most dominant part of our defense.

    The jury is still out on both safety positions, though I do think Brodney Pool will play a bigger role in the defense this year.

    It's still a top 3 defense.

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    [QUOTE=Woody56;4108161]Interresting Rex Ryan fact: Since he has been a defensive coordinator/HC only one LB has gone for double digit sacks, Adalius Thomas in 06 with 11.[/QUOTE]

    Suggs?

    Have to totally disagree with u guys. Our zone blitz was totally caught on to last year and since we had no pressure. Every single defense in the league needs pressure and we get zero.

    We can still be a good defense but we won't be dominate like we were at times in 2010. I think any unbiosed saw the difference when we were able to get pressure in 2010, and when we couldn't last year.

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    [QUOTE=KR;4108187][B]Suggs[/B]?

    Have to totally disagree with u guys. Our zone blitz was totally caught on to last year and since we had no pressure. Every single defense in the league needs pressure and we get zero.

    We can still be a good defense but we won't be dominate like we were at times in 2010. I think any unbiosed saw the difference when we were able to get pressure in 2010, and when we couldn't last year.[/QUOTE]

    Never with Rex.

    And this will be our best defense yet under Rex.
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    I worry about the speed at linebacker as well. Hopefully we have some youngsters who will step it up.

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    [QUOTE=Slikmojet;4108154]Rex thrives on confusing the opponent and overwhelming it, I hope he keeps doing what he's doing and oh yeah... FCK THE STATS!!![/QUOTE]

    i remember hearing a quote from calvin pace this offseason. it was about how he prefers to get QB pressures because you can sack a QB and he throws a TD the next play, but if you get pressure you can force the QB to make a mistake and turn the ball over.

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    [QUOTE=Slikmojet;4108154]People don't understand that Rex's defense does not work like other defenses where pressure always has to come from the outside primarily from DE's and OLB's, those defenses tend to be easy to predict and pick apart, Rex is always disguising always attacking from different angles, that's why a 5.9 180 pound corner had 4 sacks for us last season, the moment Rex goes the traditional route that so many people want so that the success of the defense measures up with sacks and other stats we've been conditioned to believe is what makes a defense succesful, we would be dead in the water.

    We can have a 10 sack guy, maybe Pace, but I expect even if we get a top notch rusher to see more or less the same weird shenanigans from Rex, the weeks where he goes with 6 DB's and 3 DE's those kind of weird looks, the flooding of the LOS, all those things that leave you all confused, this defense does not lend itself to gaudy individual numbers, but in the end it's always at or near the top in most categories and that's what counts.

    It's the reason we beat the tar out of NE in the playoffs and three out of the last five games we've played against them and the reason Brady admitted he will never forget that loss. And the reason being that the had no fcking clue against what Rex was doing, Rex thrives on confusing the opponent and overwhelming it, I hope he keeps doing what he's doing and oh yeah... FCK THE STATS!!![/QUOTE]i don't it's lost on any poster/troll here how this defense works..

    having a top three D without at least one true natural pass rusher takes smoke & mirrors..

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    Nonsense. We don't have an outside pass rusher that other teams can't account for thus Rex's defense doesn't operate with one? The one thing that is preventing this defense from being an elite D is not having a player that other teams must account for and double team.

    Our blitzs would be that much more effective if we had at least one natural pass rusher. Like it or not you are giving something up when you blitz your safeties.

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    Great thread, very interesting topic, and even more interesting are the stats to back it up.

    We hear all the time tha the Jets lack pass rusher at OLB, true or not, their have been circumstances involved that have played against our OLB's from putting out the numbers of some of the big names throughout the league. Again, the fantasy sports mentality of some fans, "what, our guy doesn't have 14 sacks like James Harrison," our guys suck...

    Truth is Pace, who is every bit as capable as an OLB to rush the passer, is asked to do so much more, and, he's had issues with health and otherwise in each of his first two years under Ryan to start the season that have caused him to miss time, one a suspension, and last year, the foot injury that he really never fully recovered from. I think that is why Ryan talks about looking for Pace to have a big year.

    All of this makes me love the Maybin pick up that much more, what a potential gift, we need that speed on the edge, a pass rushing specialist. Maybe this kid takes off, I was impressed with his press conference yesterday, he seems to present himself pretty well, loved his comments about the conversation he had with Ryan, and still find it more amazing how much of a background Ryan has with him.

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    [QUOTE=NY's stepchild;4108157]That why I think Aaron Maybin may have his best chance on the Jets. If he's got something Rex will put him in a position to use it. We could call him a db and just blitz him from anywhere on the field if need be. I'm sure Rex has lots of ideas for his new toy.[/QUOTE]
    Agreed

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    [QUOTE=KR;4108187]Suggs?

    Have to totally disagree with u guys. Our zone blitz was totally caught on to last year and since we had no pressure. Every single defense in the league needs pressure and we get zero.

    We can still be a good defense but we won't be dominate like we were at times in 2010. I think any unbiosed saw the difference when we were able to get pressure in 2010, and when we couldn't last year.[/QUOTE]

    I think our zone blitz had so many problems last year because of an aging Ellis and a short rotation on the D-Line. Without fresh big bodies on the line to take up blockers, our d-back and linebackers were picked up easily at the line of srimmage. Tanny and Rex definitely had a plan when they drafted Mo and Kenrick as well as developing some other young guys. The d-line rotation could be double what it was last year, with real talent. And that is what could make our blitz packages much more effective.

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    Maybin impact

    There is one critical area where I can see Maybin's impact. The Jets d-line can flush QBs and force them to secondary options. But at critical moments last year QBs could scramble or create more time when they were flushed. For the Jets last year, only the safeties and CBs were fast enough to chase down most QBs.

    Maybe, not on the first move, but in pursuit, Maybin might be able to help us get off the field on 3rd down. Instead of a QB scampering out of bounds for 6 yards on 3rd and 5 he gets tackled for a 2 yard gain or forces a ball because the person chasing him is faster than he is. It's not even sacks it's the critical moments when QBs used to be the best running athlete in the backfield. And they knew it.

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