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    The latest Food Stamps scam, "Water Dumping"

    This just sucks all the way around. Wasting clean drinking water, wasting taxpayer dollars, taking advantage of bottle recycle programs, etc. just to convert food stamps to a small percentage of their cash value to use for who knows what!

    [QUOTE][SIZE="5"][B]Federal Government Tries to Stop Food Stamp 'Water Dumping' Fraud
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    The federal government is moving to crack down on a bizarre form of food-stamp fraud that's flushing away taxpayer dollars.

    The scam is called "water dumping." [U]It works as follows: Food stamp recipients use their benefits to purchase water bottles and from there promptly dump the water out and redeem the bottles for cash.[/U]

    It takes dedication to make any measurable profit off this. But it is a waste of water and a waste of taxpayer resources, not to mention an abuse of the "bottle deposit" system. And the Department of Agriculture is trying to put a stop to it.

    Under a proposed rule, the government would treat "water dumping" as a trafficking offense and be allowed to disqualify from the food-stamp rolls anybody caught doing it. The comment period ended Friday, and the USDA is looking to finalize the rule by the end of the year.

    "They're clearly abusing the program, and that's just not tolerable to us," USDA spokeswoman Jean Daniel said.

    The fraud is difficult to track, as officials have to rely on store owners and vigilant citizens to report it to authorities. Daniel said she couldn't put a figure on how much the scam has cost the food stamp program, though she noted it's concentrated in a handful of states.

    "I wouldn't say this is a nationwide problem costing a bazillion dollars, but it's an egregious enough abuse of the program that we wanted to be able to punish the people who are doing this," Daniel said. She said people have been known to dump out other beverages too, from milk to soda, just to redeem the bottle value.

    "These situations negatively impact program integrity and divert benefits intended to meet the dietary needs of the nation's neediest citizens," the USDA said in its proposal.

    [U]Meanwhile, the abuse is still happening. Over the weekend in Maine, a local woman recorded a couple pouring out water bottles outside a Shaw's grocery store. The video was posted online by the Bangor Daily News.

    Sgt. Paul Edwards, with the Bangor Police Department, confirmed that the couple bought about $6 worth of bottled water, and then dumped it out before returning the containers in exchange for $2.40 in cash. The case was referred to the state attorney general's office.[/U]

    [U]Edwards told FoxNews.com the scam is not new. "We get 'em once in awhile," he said. "They get $2.40 and get a 40-ounce of beer and off they go."
    Maine is one of 13 states that have a container deposit law. Under such laws, customers pay a deposit for beverage containers and can get that deposit refunded if they return the containers. Deposits typically range from 5 to 15 cents.[/U]

    [U]Food stamp benefits cover the cost of the deposit since the container is not optional.[/U]

    But some questioned why the food stamp program was covering bottled water in the first place. Kristin Urquiza, director of the anti-bottled water "Think Outside the Bottle" campaign for Corporate Accountability International, said that while water should be made available to everyone, "this issue raises questions about whether a product like bottled water should be eligible under the (food stamp) program at all." She said public dollars should be used to reinvest in tap water systems that serve everyone instead of footing the bill for bottled water.

    While some abuse the system, record numbers of people are now enrolled in the food stamp program, formally called the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program. The latest report from the Agriculture Department showed nearly 46 million people -- or one in seven Americans -- were enrolled as of May.

    "At a time when so many Americans are coping with economic hardship, we need to do everything possible to ensure that all SNAP benefits are used only as intended -- to help struggling individuals and families put healthy food on the table," Kevin Concannon, undersecretary for Food, Nutrition and Consumer Services, said in a statement earlier this year.

    [url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/08/24/federal-government-tries-to-stop-food-stamp-water-dumping-fraud/[/url]

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    Last edited by jetstream23; 08-25-2011 at 03:40 PM.

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    The Government gives them free money (food stamps) which they use to turn around and get free money (redeem recycle) on the bottles....from the Government.

    *lol*

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4116714]The Government gives them [B][SIZE="5"]free money[/SIZE][/B] (food stamps) which they use to turn around and get free money (redeem recycle) on the bottles....from the Government.

    *lol*[/QUOTE]

    Free...to them! And actually, free for the 50% of the country that pays no taxes.

    But for the rest of us it is the equivalent of taking our paycheck at the end of the week, watching 25% go to the government and having them watch these people flush more than half of that hard-earned money down the drain (literally).

    :shakehead

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    I'm sorry but buying a bottle of water for 30-40 cents and dumping it to get 5 cents is just bad business. Those foodstamps can sell for 80cents on the dollar cash all day. Its called craigslist. People doing the water dumping are so damn stupid that its no wonder they are on food stamps.

    This just in. Obama admin says water dumping is good for the economy. According to Chief Obama advisor David Axelrod every bottle dumped is another bottle that needs to be produced. That means jobs people!

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4116741]This just in. Obama admin says water dumping is good for the economy. According to Chief Obama advisor David Axelrod every bottle dumped is another bottle that needs to be produced. That means jobs people![/QUOTE]

    Bitonti math at it's best. For every dollar of taxes spent of Food Stamps for Water Bottles, 400,000 jobs are created, and $923,452 dollars of economic activity occurs. Anyone against it is clearly an idiot. Supply side is dead. Tea Party are Anarchists. Govt. is the answer to all things!

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    If you're going to do something this stupid and dishonest, at least dump the water into a separate container so you can drink it later.

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    fraud is bad, wherever it occurs.

    Just because something has fraud in it, doesn't prove worthlessness of the entire exercise.

    For example the millions of dollars of cash the US Armed Forces shipped to Iraq on Palettes and subsequently Lost, doesn't prove that the Army should be disbanded.

    it's a problem that needs to be fixed.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4116778]For example the millions of dollars of cash the US Armed Forces shipped to Iraq on Palettes and subsequently Lost, doesn't prove that the Army should be disbanded..[/QUOTE]

    Conserva-morons don't like to talk about that.

    It lays bare their hypocrisy. Water bottles are supposed to get them all fired up...but 1 billion used to pay terrorists that hung US Marines from bridges...totally cool. Not a word about THAT fiscal idiocy.

    GO GOP!

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4116791]Conserva-morons don't like to talk about that.

    It lays bare their hypocrisy. Water bottles are supposed to get them all fired up...but 1 billion used to pay terrorists that hung US Marines from bridges...totally cool. Not a word about THAT fiscal idiocy.

    GO GOP![/QUOTE]

    Go back and check the threads at the time. Unlike most Libs, who flamed hard about "Illegal Wars" when Bush was in, the Cons here are consistent. They were angry about lost money then, and now. Waste of taxpayer money. There is no hypocricy, wasted taxpayer money is bad in every form it comes in (and thats alot of forms).

    Here is where libs like you and Bit seem to be misguided. Most Cons hate Bush as much as Libs did. But most Libs love Obama like the Neocons loved Bush.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4116800]Go back and check the threads at the time. Unlike most Libs, who flamed hard about "Illegal Wars" when Bush was in, the Cons here are consistent. They were angry about lost money then, and now. Waste of taxpayer money. There is no hypocricy, wasted taxpayer money is bad in every form it comes in (and thats alot of forms).

    Here is where libs like you and Bit seem to be misguided. Most Cons hate Bush as much as Libs did. But most Libs love Obama like the Neocons loved Bush.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah....except they didn't.

    Nice try though....:yes:

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    [QUOTE=jetstream23;4116691]This just sucks all the way around. Wasting clean drinking water, wasting taxpayer dollars, taking advantage of bottle recycle programs, etc. just to convert food stamps to a small percentage of their cash value to use for who knows what![/QUOTE]

    It's annoying but in the grand list of things to be pissed off about I don't think it makes the top 10,000. You waste more clean drinking water each time you flush a toilet.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4116791]...but 1 billion used to pay terrorists that hung US Marines from bridges...totally cool. [/QUOTE]
    WTF?

    Take a few breaths. Step away from the computer.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4116741]I'm sorry but buying a bottle of water for 30-40 cents and dumping it to get 5 cents is just bad business. Those foodstamps can sell for 80cents on the dollar cash all day. Its called craigslist. People doing the water dumping are so damn stupid that its no wonder they are on food stamps. [/QUOTE]

    ive been thinking about this comment, #1 the story is from Maine so that's 15 cents a bottle, big difference. #2 Poland Spring is also in Maine maybe this is some scam to drive up their sales. Follow the money, as always.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4117204]ive been thinking about this comment, #1 the story is from Maine so that's 15 cents a bottle, big difference. #2 Poland Spring is also in Maine maybe this is some scam to drive up their sales. Follow the money, as always.[/QUOTE]

    Yes there is no way the poor are doing it to buy a beer. It must be corporate greed!!! Come on, that was a stretch even for you.

    The only place to follow the money is to the nearest place to buy a beer.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4116741]I'm sorry but buying a bottle of water for 30-40 cents and dumping it to get 5 cents is just bad business. Those foodstamps can sell for 80cents on the dollar cash all day. Its called craigslist. People doing the water dumping are so damn stupid that its no wonder they are on food stamps.

    [B]This just in. Obama admin says water dumping is good for the economy. According to Chief Obama advisor David Axelrod every bottle dumped is another bottle that needs to be produced. That means jobs people[/B]![/QUOTE]

    EVEN YOU!!!!! Have outdone yourself...I nominate this as post of the week!

    Take a bow!;)

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;4117166]WTF?

    Take a few breaths. Step away from the computer.[/QUOTE]

    Sucks bro...but it's true.

    Iraqistanis need death...not our $$$

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgOBw5dMrn0&feature=related[/url]

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    I caught these guys doing the scam!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    [IMG]http://static1.consumerist.com/assets_c/2009/11/seinfeld-thumb-153xauto-6841.jpg[/IMG]

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4117233]Yes there is no way the poor are doing it to buy a beer. It must be corporate greed!!! Come on, that was a stretch even for you.

    The only place to follow the money is to the nearest place to buy a beer.[/QUOTE]

    chiefs comment is correct you can sell food stamps for more than water dumping gets ya...

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    [QUOTE=jetstream23;4116691]This just sucks all the way around. Wasting clean drinking water, wasting taxpayer dollars, taking advantage of bottle recycle programs, etc. just to convert food stamps to a small percentage of their cash value to use for who knows what![/QUOTE]


    oh SNAP

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4117204] #1 the story is from Maine so that's 15 cents a bottle, big difference. [/QUOTE]

    Wrong as usual. It's a 5 cent deposit in Maine. Only wine and liquor bottles are 15 cents.....

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