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    ~ ILLEGAL ~ . . immigration : some of the costs involved $ $ $

    > [url]http://news.yahoo.com/perry-bills-feds-349m-incarcerating-illegals-025702439.html[/url]


    ~ ~ this should be good ;)

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    Are you an American citizen Kelly?

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    between illegal immigration and water dumping, right wingers have managed to focus on two "problems" that are about 100th on the list of things to be concerned about.

    you guys want a problem? If every illegal worker was gone tomorrow, there'd be a big problem.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4118380]
    you guys want a problem? If every illegal worker was gone tomorrow, there'd be a big problem.[/QUOTE]

    Temporarily, until businesses adjusted.

    For the ones that can't make it, new businesses that can evolve to the ever changing turbulent environment will rise up and be successful.

    It's capitalism at its finest.

    The weak fall. The strong survive and innovation is key to it all.

    So sick of hearing your talking points. It's disgusting at this point.

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    food prices would go thru the roof and farmers would go out of business. The farmers that survived would plant less crops in the future

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4118459]food prices would go thru the roof and farmers would go out of business. The farmers that survived would plant less crops in the future[/QUOTE]

    If food prices went through the roof, why would farmers go out of business?

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4118459]food prices would go thru the roof and farmers would go out of business. The farmers that survived would plant less crops in the future[/QUOTE]

    LMAO...

    [QUOTE=Piper;4118532]If food prices went through the roof, why would farmers go out of business?[/QUOTE]

    Nobody ever said Lib logic was sound...

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    [QUOTE=gunnails;4118236]Are you an American citizen Kelly?[/QUOTE]yes.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4118380]between illegal immigration and water dumping, right wingers have managed to focus on two "problems" that are about 100th on the list of things to be concerned about.

    you guys want a problem? If every illegal worker was gone tomorrow, there'd be a big problem.[/QUOTE]
    fyi :

    ~ ~ Illegal Immigration Costs U.S. $113 Billion a Year, Study Finds
    By Ed Barnes, July 06, 2010 - FoxNews.com

    The cost of harboring illegal immigrants in the United States is a staggering $113 billion a year -- an average of $1,117 for every “native-headed” household in America -- according to a study conducted by the Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR).

    The study, a copy of which was provided to FoxNews.com, “is the first and most detailed look at the costs of illegal immigration ever done,” says Bob Dane, director of communications at FAIR, a conservative organization that seeks to end almost all immigration to the U.S.FAIR's opponents in the bitter immigration debate describe the organization as "extremist," though it is regularly called upon to testify before Congress.

    Groups that support immigration reform immediately attacked FAIR's report and pointed out that it is the polar opposite of the Perryman Report, a 2008 study that found illegal immigration was actually a boon to the American economy. It estimated that illegal immigrants add $245 billion in Gross Domestic Product to the economy and account for 2.8 million jobs . . .

    rest of article :
    > [url]http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/07/02/immigration-costs-fair-amnesty-educations-costs-reform/[/url]

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    [QUOTE=kelly;4118591]yes.[/QUOTE]

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    Thanks for the reply, seems you are never a one to extrapolate on your thoughts.

    Is the Danbary thing, you are in Danbary in spirit, or is it that you live or spend a lot of time there. Danbary seems so exotic and dream like.

    I often think of moving far away and starting over, not as far away as Danbary, maybe Hawaii, Couer DeLane Idaho, or even central OR.

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    [QUOTE=gunnails;4118608]=======================================

    Thanks for the reply, seems you are never a one to extrapolate on your thoughts.

    Is the Danbary thing, you are in Danbary in spirit, or is it that you live or spend a lot of time there. Danbary seems so exotic and dream like.

    I often think of moving far away and starting over, not as far away as Danbary, maybe Hawaii, Couer DeLane Idaho, or even central OR.[/QUOTE]

    Paulie! Quick!

    He's moving in on your territory :eek:

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    [QUOTE=Piper;4118532]If food prices went through the roof, why would farmers go out of business?[/QUOTE]

    because a larger % of the food that needs to be "hand picked" would remain in the fields. And the Farmers who took out loans to plant those crops would be screwed


    During the oil crisis in the 70's gas prices went thru the roof and there was not enough to go around.
    Last edited by Buster; 08-27-2011 at 07:12 PM.

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    [QUOTE=gunnails;4118608]=======================================

    Thanks for the reply, seems you are never a one to extrapolate on your thoughts.

    Is the Danbary thing, you are in Danbary in spirit, or is it that you live or spend a lot of time there. Danbary seems so exotic and dream like.

    I often think of moving far away and starting over, not as far away as Danbary, maybe Hawaii, Couer DeLane Idaho, or even central OR.[/QUOTE]
    36 Hours in Portland, Ore.

    > [url]http://travel.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/travel/36-hours-in-portland-ore.html?src=me&ref=general[/url]

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    [QUOTE=kelly;4118993]36 Hours in Portland, Ore.

    > [url]http://travel.nytimes.com/2011/08/28/travel/36-hours-in-portland-ore.html?src=me&ref=general[/url][/QUOTE]

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    I actually live and grew up in Hillsboro OR, A Portland Suburb.

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    One of the big problems in this country is everyone is going to college and there are not enough good paying jobs. No wonder college costs are thru the roof. Higher demand Higher costs. Plus paying for the college sports thru your tuition including facilities, coaches pay labor costs. Who today wants to work in the cornfield. It is below us isn't it.

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;4119270]One of the big problems in this country is everyone is going to college and there are not enough good paying jobs. No wonder college costs are thru the roof. Higher demand Higher costs. Plus paying for the college sports thru your tuition including facilities, coaches pay labor costs. Who today wants to work in the cornfield. It is below us isn't it.[/QUOTE]

    Actually many college teams turn a profit.

    The money goes to liberal professors and their excessive pensions.

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4118459]food prices would go thru the roof and farmers would go out of business. The farmers that survived would plant less crops in the future[/QUOTE]

    Isn't this the same argument slave owners used before the Civil War? It seems to me that many of those arguing for illegal immigrants are really arguing in favor of a perpetual underclass.

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4118806]because a larger % of the food that needs to be "hand picked" would remain in the fields. And the Farmers who took out loans to plant those crops would be screwed


    During the oil crisis in the 70's gas prices went thru the roof and there was not enough to go around.[/QUOTE]

    If the food prices 'went through the roof' farmers could hire legal workers(who would pay taxes) for higher wages because they were able to sell the food for higher prices.

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    [QUOTE=BushyTheBeaver;4119718]Isn't this the same argument slave owners used before the Civil War? It seems to me that many of those arguing for illegal immigrants are really arguing in favor of a perpetual underclass.[/QUOTE]

    just to be clear, Im not saying we should have a perpetual underclass. The current situation is not ideal.


    but I wonder how many border control activists enjoy the services of illegals on a daily basis, with or without them knowing it?

    Eat at a restaurant? Buy fruit or meat at the grocery store? Enjoy landscaping? Roofing, plumbing, building of all kinds?

    The point of capitalism is economic production and growth.

    it's not about having businesses fail and prices go up across the board.


    if you guys had a solution (reform) that made sense I'd love to hear it. Sending everyone back isn't a solution or even a good idea.

    the costs according to this study say illegals cost 100 Billion. for what they provide to the GDP (15 Trillion) that's a smoking deal. we want to live in an economy with this activity we don't want to be Japan with not enough young to take care of their old.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4122955]but I wonder how many border control activists enjoy the services of illegals on a daily basis, with or without them knowing it? Eat at a restaurant? Buy fruit or meat at the grocery store? Enjoy landscaping? Roofing, plumbing, building of all kinds? good idea. [/QUOTE]

    There are so many illegals in this country that it's inevitable most people will come in contact with their labor at their labor whether they want to or not. IMO that only reinforces the breadth and scope of the problem. To castigate someone who wants immigration reform because he once ate at a restaurant that hired illegals is like calling any abolitionist who ever wore cotton a hypocrite.



    [QUOTE=bitonti;4122955]if you guys had a solution (reform) that made sense I'd love to hear it. Sending everyone back isn't a solution or even a good idea. [/QUOTE]

    A good start would be:

    A) Prosecute those Americans who knowingly hire and profit off of illegal labor. If you can't turn a profit without breaking the law then you need to find another line of work.

    B) Deny all privileges and taxpayer-funded benefits to illegal immigrants. No food stamps, unemployment insurance, free medical care, free education, social security, drivers licenses, etc. Why on earth any illegal believes he has a right to these things is astounding. If you or I sneak into Russia or England or Turkey we would not expect these things.

    C) Repeal the "anchor baby" laws. Sneaking into the US and having a kid there should not be a path to citizenship. If you are illegal, your kids are too. Period.

    There. That should start to put a dent in the problem. And notice I haven't sent anybody anywhere.

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