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    Rick Perry signs pledge on anti-gay marriage amendment

    [URL="http://www.northjersey.com/news/politics/082611_Rick_Perry_signs_pledge_on_anti-gay_marriage_amendment.html"]www.northjersey.com[/URL]



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    Friday, August 26, 2011

    BY WILL WEISSERT

    ASSOCIATED PRESS


    AUSTIN, Texas [B]Rick Perry has signed a pledge to back a federal constitutional amendment against gay marriage a reversal from a month ago when the Texas governor said he so supported individual states' rights that he was fine with New York's approval of same-sex marriage.[/B]

    The pledge by the National Organization for Marriage states that, if elected, Perry will send a Constitutional amendment defining marriage as the union of one man and one woman to the states for ratification, and appoint U.S. Supreme Court and federal judges who will "reject the idea our Founding Fathers inserted a right to gay marriage into our Constitution."

    [B]Others vying for the Republican presidential nomination, including Michelle Bachmann, Mitt Romney and Rick Santorum, have also signed it, according to Brian Brown, president of Washington-based National Organization for Marriage, which campaigns against same-sex marriage.[/B]

    While far from a surprise, Perry's decision raised some eyebrows because it appears to contradict his previous position that this is an issue that should be left up to individual legislatures.

    [B]Perry won applause at a Republican conference in Colorado on July 22 when he said of New York's same-sex marriage law, "that's New York, and that's their business, and that's fine with me."[/B]

    [B]Those comments alarmed some conservatives, however, and Perry moved to soothe fears the following week when he said during a broadcast interview with Tony Perkins of the conservative Family Research Council, "I probably needed to add a few words after that 'It's fine with me.'"

    "Obviously gay marriage is not fine with me. My stance hasn't changed. I believe marriage is a union between one man and one woman," Perry told Perkins.[/B]

    His signing of the pledge reiterates that clarification. Perry spokesman Mark Miner did not return phone messages seeking further comment Friday.

    Perry has not always been so sanguine about the Supreme Court's ability to help him oppose gay marriage. In his book released just nine months ago, "Fed Up! Our Fight to Save America from Washington," the governor strongly defended states' rights, saying the high court overstepped its bounds by overruling a Connecticut law banning birth control pills and a Texas law prohibiting sodomy. He also predicted that its justices would eventually issue a ruling legalizing gay marriage nationwide.

    "Gay marriage will soon be the policy of the United States, irrespective of federalism, the Constitution, or the wish of the American people," Perry wrote then.

    In an earlier book, 2008's "On My Honor," Perry likened homosexuality to alcoholism.

    "I can sympathize with those who believe sexual preference is genetic. It may be so, but it remains unproved. Even if it were, this does not mean we are ultimately not responsible for the active choices we make," he wrote. "Even if an alcoholic is powerless over alcohol once it enters his body, he still makes a choice to drink. And even if someone is attracted to a person of the same sex, he or she still makes a choice to engage in sexual activity with someone of the same gender."

    In that same book, Perry wrote, "I do not believe in condemning homosexuals that I know personally. I believe in valuing their lives like any others, as our God in heaven does.

    "Tolerance, however, should not only be asked of the proponents of traditional values," he continued. "The radical homosexual movement seeks societal normalization of their sexual activity. I respect their right to engage in the individual behavior of their choosing, but they must respect the rights of millions in society to refuse to normalize their behavior."

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    It bugs the piss out of me when Republican candidates weigh in on these retarded social wedge issues. Who fugging cares? There are larger issues in play--the economy, for example. But in order to get on the ticket they need to run this gauntlet of freaks, homophobes, and religious fanatics who decide who makes it out of the Republican primaries. What a joke.

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    [QUOTE=BushyTheBeaver;4119967]It bugs the piss out of me when Republican candidates weigh in on these retarded social wedge issues. Who fugging cares? There are larger issues in play--the economy, for example. But in order to get on the ticket they need to run this gauntlet of freaks, homophobes, and religious fanatics who decide who makes it out of the Republican primaries. What a joke.[/QUOTE]


    And by signing that pledge he lost some votes in the general election.

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    [QUOTE=BushyTheBeaver;4119967]It bugs the piss out of me when Republican candidates weigh in on these retarded social wedge issues. Who fugging cares? There are larger issues in play--the economy, for example. But in order to get on the ticket they need to run this gauntlet of freaks, homophobes, and religious fanatics who decide who makes it out of the Republican primaries. What a joke.[/QUOTE]

    +1

    2012 should be an east victory for the GOP. But they seemed determined to do whatever they can to lose.

    Why fire up the troops on the left? Focus on the economy, stupids.

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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4120029]+1

    2012 should be an east victory for the GOP. But they seemed determined to do whatever they can to lose.

    Why fire up the troops on the left? Focus on the economy, stupids.[/QUOTE]

    +1 as well. It kills me that, as a fiscal conservative, we are also saddled with social conservatives.

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4120037]+1 as well. It kills me that, as a fiscal conservative, we are also saddled with social conservatives.[/QUOTE]

    They think they run the party because they can fire up some small town backwards as Christian conservatives...

    Ham and JSJ live for this crap.

    I can't stand it.

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4120037]+1 as well. It kills me that, as a fiscal conservative, we are also saddled with social conservatives.[/QUOTE]

    It's ridiculous. We'll never make any progress until we give up on this nonsense.

    I'm Christian too. But there isn't anything in Jesus' teachings that would lead me to believe this is a worthwhile fight. Didn't he teach us about equality? Love? Forgiveness (as if it is needed here:rolleyes:)?

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4120037]+1 as well. It kills me that, as a fiscal conservative, we are also saddled with social conservatives.[/QUOTE]

    +1 as well. It is a shame that these silly issues are being discussed when we have serious issues facing this country. It's funny though, lots of people vote based on these issues. I know tons of people that won't vote for Republicans because they are afraid that their precious abortions will be taken away.

    Here is what it comes down to. Gays will be allowed to marry in states that legalize it. Thats not changing. There is no way the constitution will be amended to ban it. If someone wants to sign a pledge supportive the amendment i say who cares. Abortions are not going away EVER. Even Roe V Wade was a states rights case. If overturned the States would have to individually ban it. Not happening. Get over it.

    None of this nonesense is a reason to vote for 4 more years of economic hell.

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    However, there are many who only vote because of their "pro-life views" or their "protection of marriage stance" or to "protect the 2nd ammendment".

    They could care less about your fiscal conservatism. the trick is to get you all on the same boat at the same time.

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4121847]They could care less about your fiscal conservatism. the trick is to get you all on the same boat at the same time.[/QUOTE]

    Unfortunately, intelligent, responsible, people willing to make their own way in life are in the minority. That's why historically fiscal conservatives have been forced to align themselves with social conservatives to have a shot at winning elections.

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    Republicans would have a shot at people like me if they stayed out of people'e private lives.

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    [QUOTE=FF2;4122205]Republicans would have a shot at people like me if they stayed out of people'e private lives.[/QUOTE]

    Republicans would dominate every election if they would just stay out of private matters. The Dems only real strength are their abilities in marketing and playing this sort of thing up to make the GOP look bad. Take that away from them, and all they have left are their insane, illogical fiscal policies.

    Alas, too many cranky, stubborn old men still in charge of the GOP and too many misled "Christians" around.

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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4120029]+1

    2012 should be an east victory for the GOP. But they seemed determined to do whatever they can to lose.

    Why fire up the troops on the left? Focus on the economy, stupids.[/QUOTE]

    Hold on a sec, I believe you've said more than once that the GOP doesn't stand a chance - but now it should be an easy victory?

    Can you clear that up for me?

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;4122432]Hold on a sec, I believe you've said more than once that the GOP doesn't stand a chance - but now it should be an easy victory?

    Can you clear that up for me?[/QUOTE]

    I think in this case, Mr. Potato used the auxiliary verb "should" to denote conditionality as opposed to probability.

    SCIENCE!

    er...

    LINGUISTICS!!

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    [QUOTE=JetPotato;4122303]Republicans would dominate every election if they would just stay out of private matters. The Dems only real strength are their abilities in marketing and playing this sort of thing up to make the GOP look bad. Take that away from them, and all they have left are their insane, illogical fiscal policies.

    Alas, too many cranky, stubborn old men still in charge of the GOP and too many misled "Christians" around.[/QUOTE]

    They would? Bush was never a favorite going into the 2000 election because Gore was the chosen candidate of the party in power in a time of prosperity.

    Social issues got it over the top. A full decade of denial will tell you that Bush "stole" the election or something but the fact remains that Bush woke up the electorate (much the same way Perry has shown an ability to win from the underdog's place) with social issues. Gore the a$shat couldn't even win his home state.

    People have not soured on social issues. And Obama is seen as presiding cluelessly over a disaster.

    Sorry, but the joke is on anyone who thinks Perry doesn't know what he's doing.

    I'm still trying to decide if I like him best, I don't really think I do, but I'm happy to back him if he looks like he's gonna beat everybody.

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;4122491]People have not soured on social issues. [/QUOTE]

    The 4 Conservatives who posted in this thread beg to differ.


    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

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    [QUOTE=BushyTheBeaver;4119967]It bugs the piss out of me when Republican candidates weigh in on these retarded social wedge issues. Who fugging cares? There are larger issues in play--the economy, for example. But in order to get on the ticket they need to run this gauntlet of freaks, homophobes, and religious fanatics who decide who makes it out of the Republican primaries. What a joke.[/QUOTE]

    +1

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    [QUOTE=sackdance;4122491]They would? Bush was never a favorite going into the 2000 election because Gore was the chosen candidate of the party in power in a time of prosperity.

    Social issues got it over the top. [/QUOTE]

    But to focus on it in a time of...let's call it a lack of prosperity, is idiocy.

    As a conservative, I cringe almost every time one of the current crop of candidates open's their mouths.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4122510]The 4 Conservatives who posted in this thread beg to differ.


    Hmmmmmmmmmmmm[/QUOTE]

    Social issues don't affect you unless you feel you should be some type of Christian crusader, interpreting the bible word for word in one verse when a later verse entirely contradicts it...

    I only wish that the people who preached against social issues such as equal rights for gays truly understood the bible in its entirety...

    But those people only know the picture their local pastor paints...

    It's okay. They're a dying breed... When the Gen Y and up crowd starts to take over the political system, it won't be that hard to drop the wedge issues...

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    [QUOTE=FF2;4122205]Republicans would have a shot at people like me if they stayed out of people'e private lives.[/QUOTE]





    What about the Republican Politicians who are obviously bought and paid for by the oil industry.

    You know the guys who say:

    "...We refuse to stop any subsides granted to big oil and we insist the federal budget be balanced by the end of the month..."


    You like those guys?

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