Are You a Hard Worker, or are you Lucky and Fortunate?
I've been listening to ALOT of left-leaning radio of late (go go Sirius/XM!), and I've noticed a very specific trend of discussion.
The consistently describe themselves (callers and hosts) and anyone with any level of success "Lucky", and that their success is based more on being "fortunate" than anything else.
Obviously, this is mirroered at the upper policy level on the left, in describing the "wealthiest americans" as "the most fortunate amongst us".
This is also reflected in their discussions of those recieving welfare/support of one form or another, consistently describing these recipients as "hard working Americans" universally, and without exception.
It raises the question, [B][U]is success in America based more on luck and being fortunate, than it is based on hard work?[/U][/B]
So I ask each of you, do you have what you have today more due to being fortunate (or reverse, do you suffer due to being unlucky or unfortunate), or is your situation based more on your own efforts and hard work?
And how would you determine if a success was luck, or work?
[QUOTE=Warfish;4141982]It raises the question, [B][U]is success in America based more on luck and being fortunate, than it is based on hard work?[/U][/B][/QUOTE]
No it's a little of both.
Case in point: Steve Jobs. His technological foresight and vision (a talent I believe you either have or don't) is an ability that makes him more fortunate. At the same time he's also been known for having an infamously (is that a word?) rigorous work schedule (that he imposes on himself and his employees). That combination of talent and work ethic is why Apple is what it is today.
As with all things (as hard as it is for people on here to believe) there's no cut and dried, black or white answer. You need both. One is basically worthless without the other.
[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4142143]Source makes a good point but it was more hard work than anything that got Jobs to where he is...[/QUOTE]
Without his talent, the work ethic wouldn't matter. With him retiring, Apple's biggest issue going forward is replacing his abilities, not his work ethic. It's the reason why the company's stock dropped as soon as the news of his resignation came out.
[QUOTE=sourceworx;4142156]Without his talent, the work ethic wouldn't matter. With him retiring, Apple's biggest issue going forward is replacing his abilities, not his work ethic. It's the reason why the company's stock dropped as soon as the news of his resignation came out.[/QUOTE]
Talented dude, of course...
But talent is either harnessed or it isn't...
I'm sure there's a few talented homeless guys on a corner somewhere who didn't have the drive to make it happen...
I feel myself to be as expert as one could be here through my experiences of working with wealthy and non wealthy clients... I have had MANY clients sell their business for 7 figures and have seen talented clients lose it all.
Luck is a small part of it in some cases of success. In RARE cases, it may be more than small.
Talent IMO is slightly secondary to hard work. Intuition/brains is most important. As an example, a client (former CPA) built a "store" in 1997. Netted 300K a year. I would have stopped at one store and enjoyed the income. He built a 2nd, 3rd etc... I was the accountant for about 5 years until he went public in the 2004 era... I made about 50K on the deal, he made $30 mil.
He has 30 mil in the bank (Im still his personal CPA) and is now opening small kiosks in malls. Crazy...but he is driven.
He worked 7 days, 16 hours a day and it was not something I could do nor had any desire. 300K a year would be OK for me. YET...the people along the way who felt thewere owed and that he was lucky is alarming.
I have rarely met people earning 350K and above that aren't driven and hard worlking. The mistake made by some outsiders is they measure work in hours.
Most (practically all) people say they work hard as they have nothing to compare it to.
[QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4142197]Talented dude, of course...
But talent is either harnessed or it isn't...
I'm sure there's a few talented homeless guys on a corner somewhere who didn't have the drive to make it happen...[/QUOTE]
I know there are many, many, many kids growing up in poverty and raised by a single parents or no parents or terrible parents who are never going to have the opportunity to harness their natural abilities. IMHO this because they do not get the nurturing that is needed early in life to be a success in our society.