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    Will Rick Perry Be the Michael Dukakis of 2012?

    [URL="http://www.creators.com/opinion/mark-shields/will-rick-perry-be-the-michael-dukakis-of-2012-11-09-17.html"]mark Shields[/URL]


    Interesting point


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    Fans of both men will be upset, but the political similarities between the 1988 Democratic presidential nominee, former Massachusetts Gov. Michael Dukakis, and 2012 Republican presidential front-runner, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, are more than striking.

    True, Dukakis, a self-proclaimed "card-carrying member " of the American Civil Liberties Union, was a cerebral reformer, embraced by reformers and liberals. And Rick Perry, whose unspectacular academic record at Texas A&M did not prevent his becoming the Lone Star State's first "Aggie" governor, is the heartthrob of the tea party as well as a human Oreck in sucking up funds in corporate suites.

    Like all humans, Dukakis and Perry are both products and prisoners of the places from which they come. For Dukakis, for all but four years at college and two in the U.S. Army, that was Brookline, Mass., a town known and envied for its good schools, green spaces and clean government. But Brookline's politics were something else. Consider this: George McGovern, who as the Democratic nominee in 1972 lost 49 states to Richard Nixon, still won 62 percent of the votes in Brookline. Ronald Reagan, who won 44 states the first time and 49 the second time, won just 30 percent of the votes in Brookline. It's a good bet that Michael Dukakis did not know anyone personally who had voted for Reagan which ill-prepared him for a national race.

    For Perry, it is his home state that he left for part of his five-year Air Force tour of duty when he served as a C-130 transport pilot attaining the rank of captain. Perry's Texas is as politically unrepresentative of the nation's politics as Dukakis's Brookline. There are 29 elected statewide officeholders in Texas including nine justices of the state Supreme Court and every one of them is a Republican.

    In the Texas state House of Representatives, the GOP has more than a two-to-one majority.

    While Democrats have won three of the last five presidential elections, no Democratic presidential nominee has carried Texas in the last 35 years. It's a pretty good bet that Rick Perry does not know anyone socially who voted for Barack Obama, the only Democrat other than Franklin Roosevelt and Lyndon Johnson in the last 180 years to win more than 50.1 percent of the national vote.

    Understand that George W/ Bush came from a different Texas. He had to defeat a popular Democratic incumbent, Ann Richards, to win the governorship. The legislature he confronted was controlled by Democrats, with whom Bush had to (and did) get along. As an indication of his awareness of Democratic voters, George W. Bush, you will recall, ran for national office billing himself as a "compassionate conservative" and advocating a federal "No Child Left Behind" law to improve public education.

    When you live in a one-party political bubble like Perry has, you don't pay any political price for saying really dumb things, like suggesting in Cedar Rapids that Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke's policies could be "almost treasonous" and adding, "I don't know what you all would do to him in Iowa, we would treat him pretty ugly down in Texas" a reckless and conspicuously insensitive remark to all who remember the "wanted for treason " newspaper ad that welcomed another Washington officeholder's tragic visit to Texas in November of 1963.

    How about, "I think you want a president who's passionate about America that's in love with America"? Was Perry suggesting that President Obama does not love America? "You need to ask him." Those are the words of an unthinking man unprepared for a national race with its intensity of scrutiny, a man who has not been held accountable in a competitive political environment for what he says.

    Consider this fair warning for Republicans who want to win back the White House: Rick Perry could well be your Michael Dukakis of 2012.



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    Perry is clearly less prepared to run in a general than Romney. He's a riskier candidate

    for example the debate statement "do you think I can be bought for $5,000" is a dumb thing to say. It implies he can be bought but the price is too low.

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    I've said this before here. Perry is the GOP's best chance at losing this election. Romney is a shoe in winner. The country wants to come together in a crisis. Obama had his chance at free reign and screwed up royally.

    Romney won in Mass so he has broad appeal by default. Remember that in 2008 he was considered a conservative compared to McCain. If the TPers and evangelicals deliver us Perry as the nominee it will be bad for everyone. We will either get 4 more years of Obumme and his lack of any solutions or get 4 years of hyper partisanship from Perry.

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    lol. Rick Perry.

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    The fear.

    Palpable.

    The denials of same.

    Laughable.

    It all but oozes off the screen whenever Perry is discussed by the left-leaners here.

    I do not support Perry. But he sure makes this forum entertaining.

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    That was about the least convincing opinion pieces I've ever read. Seriously.

    Perry is the new Dukakis because ... both were popular in their respective one-party home states?

    Whoa!

    And Mark Shields: thank you for the warning. I'll be sure to continue not keeping an eye out for your name.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4147276]Perry is clearly less prepared to run in a general than Romney. He's a riskier candidate

    for example the debate statement "do you think I can be bought for $5,000" is a dumb thing to say. It implies he can be bought but the price is too low.[/QUOTE]

    [I]"Don't call my bluff." [/I]

    - President Obama to Republican House members on raising the debt limit.

    A couple of days later his bluff was called and Obama promptly folded.

    President Perry could doubt the moon landing in his inaugural speech and not be any dumber than the clown in the Oval Office today.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4147342]The fear.

    Palpable.

    The denials of same.

    Laughable.

    It all but oozes off the screen whenever Perry is discussed by the left-leaners here.

    I do not support Perry. But he sure makes this forum entertaining.[/QUOTE]

    Sooo...

    chiefst2000 is oozing fear? I mean...Warfish. The man is one the fartherst right leaning posters here...

    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4147293]I've said this before here. Perry is the GOP's best chance at losing this election.[/QUOTE]


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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4147395]Sooo...

    chiefst2000 is oozing fear? I mean...Warfish. The man is one the fartherst right leaning posters here...[/quote]

    The right is terrified.....of ****ing up what they think is a huge opportunity. On the right, there is a massive internal struggle between the slick "moderate" and "electable" but totally uninspiring-to-conservatives Romney, and the right-wing, passionate, but crazy-faith-based tea-party backed Perry. Many on the right fear that Perry will split the right, or piss off a few moderates, and cause an Obama win. Others think Romney is a little to flip-flop, big-govt. liberal who will demotivate the strong-right base, and a real liberal (Obama) vs. a right-liberal (Romney) always favors the real liberal.

    We'll see. My prediction is on record, of course, Romney v. Obama, Obama wins by 5%+.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4147434]The right is terrified.....of ****ing up what they think is a huge opportunity. On the right, there is a massive internal struggle between the slick "moderate" and "electable" but totally uninspiring-to-conservatives Romney, and the right-wing, passionate, but crazy-faith-based tea-party backed Perry. Many on the right fear that Perry will split the right, or piss off a few moderates, and cause an Obama win. Others think Romney is a little to flip-flop, big-govt. liberal who will demotivate the strong-right base, and a real liberal (Obama) vs. a right-liberal (Romney) always favors the real liberal.

    We'll see. My prediction is on record, of course, Romney v. Obama, Obama wins by 5%+.[/QUOTE]

    Well said. I may be naive, but it seems to me that everything depends on the state of the economy. If there is a glimmer of light at the end of the tunnel by November 2012, Obama may survive. If it's anything like today, I can't imagine he will win or should. Obama simply does not have the stomach or skill to steer Congress to his will. He doesn't even put up a battle. And I don't think he has the skill or force of will to control his own advisors, who seem to walk right around him. For those reasons alone, not even getting into policy debates, he should not be re-elected.

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