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    Holder's Hell Week

    You're going down you son of a *****!!! :yes:

    The stench from Washington is getting stronger. Rep. Darrell Issa has called for a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of the festering mess known as Operation Fast and Furious.

    Hatched somewhere in the bowels of the Justice Department, that misbegotten scheme had the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives deliberately allowing high-powered guns to “walk” from Arizona and elsewhere into Mexico: Our agents turned a blind eye toward the straw purchasers who were funneling the weapons to the drug cartels.

    The (dumb) idea was to trace cross-border arms trafficking, and so prove the (false) claim that 90 percent of the guns seized in Mexican drug war zones originate in the US. (The real figure is closer to 17 percent.) But, as Issa’s Oversight and Government Reform committee continues its investigation, that pretension has evaporated -- and a major international scandal has been born.


    Read more: [url]http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/holder_hell_week_J7e9vmxyFCEMJDK47RyvCK#ixzz1YhqEI9vf[/url]

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    Solyndra, world economies in failure, Operation Fast and Furious added to Ron Suskind's new Obama book "Confidence Men".

    A very BAD week for the White House!

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    Not only did U.S. officials approve, allow and assist in the sale of more than 2,000 guns to the Sinaloa cartel -- the federal government used taxpayer money to buy semi-automatic weapons, sold them to criminals and then watched as the guns disappeared.

    This disclosure, revealed in documents obtained by Fox News, could undermine the Department of Justice's previous defense that Operation Fast and Furious was a "botched" operation where agents simply "lost track" of weapons as they were transferred from one illegal buyer to another. Instead, it heightens the culpability of the federal government as Mexico, according to sources, has opened two criminal investigations into the operation that flooded their country with illegal weapons.

    Read more: [url]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/26/us-government-bought-and-sold-weapons-during-fast-and-furious-documents-show/#ixzz1Z5M9nZSA[/url]


    An ATF source has provided reporters a copy of a letter sent on June 1, 2010 which indicates that the monumental scandal known as 'Project Gunwalker,' or 'Operation Fast and Furious,' was never a sting operation as previously reported. If such an allegation is true, then the official Obama Administration explanation for the operation is entirely false.

    The commonly-reported talking point concerning Gunwalker is that it was intended as a sting operation but that it went bad when rogue ATF agents took it in a sinister direction.

    But the letter of June 2010, forwarded to reporters David Codrea and Mike Vanderboegh, indicates that nothing about the operation contained any of the elements of a 'sting.' Everything ATF agents did in placing guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels was done in the open and with the approval of their supervisors:

    Per Section925(a)(1) of the Gun Control Act (GCA) exempts law enforcement agencies from the transportation, shipment, receipt, or importation controls of the GCA when firearms are to be used for the official business of the agency.

    Please accept this letter in lieu of completing an ATF Form 4473 for the purchase of four (4) CAI, Model Draco, 7.62x39 mm pistols, by Special Agent John Dodson. These aforementioned pistols will be used by Special Agent Dodson in furtherance of the performance of his official duties. In addition, Special Agent Dodson has not been convicted of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence. If you have any questions, you may contact me at telephone number 602-605-6501.

    That letter was written by ATF-Phoenix Group VII Supervisor David Voth and was addressed to a federal firearms licensee, directing him to sell Agent Dodson the specified firearms off the books.

    [url]http://www.examiner.com/conservative-in-national/gunwalker-bombshell-there-never-was-a-sting[/url]

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    Obama and Friends wanter for murder of hundreds of innocent men, women children in Mexico. Opumpkin you are wanted somewhere!

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    Holy sh?t, you guys understand that agents do not call AG Holder nor the President when running an investigation, right?

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    The Obama Justice Department has been stonewalling the House Oversight Committee in its investigation into Operation Fast and Furious since day one.

    Pinal County Sheriff Paul Babeu, who is fighting on the ground in Arizona against the very cartels the federal government has been arming, was appalled at the operation, saying this scandal will “totally eclipse Watergate,” and made the case that Operation Fast and Furious was used as program to restrict Second Amendment rights for law abiding citizens.

    [B][COLOR="Red"]He brought up the lie that 90 percent of guns in Mexico come from the United States, told over and over again by President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder.[/COLOR][/B] The 90 percent figure has been proven false by multiple fact checking organizations, intelligence sources and even ATF agents yet, Obama and Holder have tried to make the case that all the violence in Mexico comes from the United States.

    “He’s [Obama] saying that to build the argument to restrict our gun rights in America,” Babeu said, and internal ATF emails prove it:

    [url]http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2011/07/13/operation_fast_and_furious_designed_to_promote_gun_control[/url]

    "The president directed the attorney general to form working groups with key stakeholders to identify common-sense measures that would improve American safety and security while fully respecting Second Amendment rights," Carney said Thursday. "That process is well under way at the Department of Justice, with stakeholders on all sides working through these complex issues, and we expect to have some more specific announcements in the near future."

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    The joke goes that anything named “Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms” ought to be a convenience store instead of an arm of the federal government, but what’s going on in Washington these days with the embattled agency is no laughing matter.

    Hardly a week passes now without some revelation about the Obama administration’s complicity in what may yet turn out to be one of the worst and most lethal scandals in American history: Operation Fast and Furious.

    In a classic Friday document dump -- a sure sign of an administration with something to hide -- the feds released to congressional investigators a month’s worth of e-mail correspondence in the summer of 2010 between Bill Newell, then head ATF agent in Phoenix, and his friend Kevin O’Reilly, a former White House national-security staffer for North American affairs.

    Read more: [url]http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/furiously_unraveling_f6fpYY4OXSJg62rFIrFiUI#ixzz1ZikamGoc[/url]

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    It's time to indict this lying sack o' ****:

    WASHINGTON - New documents obtained by CBS News show Attorney General [B]Eric Holder was sent briefings on the controversial Fast and Furious operation as far back as July 2010.[/B] That directly contradicts his statement to Congress. On May 3, 2011, Holder told a Judiciary Committee hearing, "I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks." ---snip--- The Justice Department told CBS News that the officials in those emails were talking about a different case started before Eric Holder became Attorney General.

    [url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-31727_162-20115038-10391695.html[/url]

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    Lest anyone think that Holder's lying is something new...

    An investigation into the Justice Department’s “Fast and Furious” gunrunning probe, which allowed hundreds of weapons to be illegally “walked” into Mexico, is not the first time Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr.’s truthfulness has been challenged by members of Congress.

    In 2001, the House Government Reform Committee questioned the accuracy of Mr. Holder’s depiction of what he did as deputy attorney general in the [B]last-minute pardon by President Clinton of fugitive financier Marc Rich[/B], whose former wife, Denise Rich, had donated $1.3 million to Democrats.

    Two years earlier, Mr. Holder came under fire for refusing to tell a Senate committee whether the Justice Department had recommended against Mr. Clinton’s offer of clemency to 16 Puerto Rican nationalists a month after then-Attorney General Janet Reno said their release posed a national security threat.

    More recently, Mr. Holder was questioned on his refusal to allow Justice Department officials to testify in separate inquiries by Congress and the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights in their handling of the New Black Panther Party civil complaint, in which charges of voter intimidation were ordered dropped after the case had been won in court.

    In the latest flap, Mr. Holder has been accused of a “lack of trustworthiness” in telling what he knew about the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives‘ Fast and Furious probe. House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Rep. Darrell E. Issa, California Republican, said statements made under oath by Mr. Holder about the operation have “proven to be untrue,” adding that his failure to “come clean” with the America public “called into question” his credibility to serve as attorney general.

    [url]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/11/holders-honesty-before-congress-disputed-in-earlie/[/url]




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    I seriously lol'd yesterday when they trotted out Holder for the announcement of the Iranian bomb plot. When was the last time we saw Holder announce anything terror related?

    This entire administration is laughable.

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    [QUOTE=jetswin;4187051]I seriously lol'd yesterday when they trotted out Holder for the announcement of the Iranian bomb plot. When was the last time we saw Holder announce anything terror related?

    This entire administration is laughable.[/QUOTE]

    Oh no doubt. It's a joke. And they have been holding onto this announcement for weeks. :yes:

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    [QUOTE=jetswin;4187051] When was the last time we saw Holder announce anything terror related?

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    He's been very busy trying to dictate to individual states.... how to address their illegal alien issues. [I]Dont address them.[/I]

    Typical of this tin-eared admin...

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    Holy Sh*t you guys are just sad. Holder announced it and that's about it, the gov't did what it was suppose to do when it comes to this type of stuff. Yet you want to focus on absolute BS.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4187239]Holy Sh*t you guys are just sad. Holder announced it and that's about it, the gov't did what it was suppose to do when it comes to this type of stuff. Yet you want to focus on absolute BS.[/QUOTE]

    Not to post like Kelly but this is too much to post the entire articles...

    Holder’s honesty before Congress disputed in earlier high-profile cases
    [URL]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/11/holders-honesty-before-congress-disputed-in-earlie/print/[/URL]

    Issa Issues Subpoena to Holder in Fast and Furious Investigation
    [URL]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/12/issa-issues-subpoena-to-holder-in-fast-and-furious-investigation/[/URL]

    Jamie Dupree Washington Insider Fast and Furious Subpoenas
    [URL]http://blogs.ajc.com/jamie-dupree-washington-insider/2011/10/12/fast-and-furious-subpoenas/[/URL]

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4187312]Not to post like Kelly but this is too much to post the entire articles...

    Holder’s honesty before Congress disputed in earlier high-profile cases
    [URL]http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/oct/11/holders-honesty-before-congress-disputed-in-earlie/print/[/URL]

    Issa Issues Subpoena to Holder in Fast and Furious Investigation
    [URL]http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/10/12/issa-issues-subpoena-to-holder-in-fast-and-furious-investigation/[/URL]

    Jamie Dupree Washington Insider Fast and Furious Subpoenas
    [URL]http://blogs.ajc.com/jamie-dupree-washington-insider/2011/10/12/fast-and-furious-subpoenas/[/URL][/QUOTE]

    The ATF and the US Attorneys office in Phoenix are at fault with the Fast and Furious operation. Just as the DEA and FBI deserve credit for the Iranian arrest. Holder is a figure head period.

    Issa better be careful because his honesty is questionable to say the least. Issa was on with Chris Wallace on Sunday Morning and would not answer simple questions about his behavior.


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    Did Darrell Issa seek U.S. clean-energy aid for a company in his district — or did he just seek an answer on an application?

    The distinction has become important in Washington this week, after Issa’s most recent appearance on Fox News Sunday.

    Anchor Chris Wallace confronted Issa about an issue that has been brewing since Bloomberg broke a story Sept. 20 about Issa, R-Vista, writing to the Department of Energy on behalf of Aptera Motors of Vista.

    “Funding will allow Aptera to establish U.S. manufacturing facilities for the commercial production of its plug-in and hybrid electric cars,” Issa wrote in 2009. “Aptera Motors plans to purchase and equip manufacturing facilities to begin commercial scale production of its energy efficient electric vehicles. Awarding this opportunity to Aptera Motors will greatly assist a leading developer of electric vehicles in my district.”

    Bloomberg suggested some hypocrisy now that Issa’s House Oversight and Government Reform Committee is reviewing $535 million of green energy aid from the Obama administration for Fremont-based Solyndra LLC.

    Wallace asked Issa about the story.

    “You say government shouldn’t play venture capitalist. It shouldn’t be picking winners and losers,” Wallace said. “But it turns out that you sent several letters over the last couple of years to the federal Energy Department asking for federal loan guarantees for clean energy companies in your state. Didn’t you do the same thing that you are accusing them of doing?

    Issa said members of Congress are different from the administration in that they can only seek money, not grant it. Also, he said, he didn’t ask for the money — just for an answer on the application.

    “The request was, they have a loan application and would you please give them a yes or no — and that’s a big difference,” Issa said. “A lot of loans went in and these people spent money processing and they never heard.”

    The nonpartisan University of Pennsylvania project FactCheck.org on Monday said Issa’s claim that he simply sought a yes-or-no response was false, quoting from Issa’s letter: “I write to express my support of Aptera Motors’ application for a loan under the Department of Energy’s 136 Advanced Technology Vehicles Manufacturing Incentive Program (ATVMIP).”

    FactCheck.org did not receive a response from Issa’s office on Monday, a federal holiday.

    The Watchdog sought a response Tuesday, and spokesman Frederick Hill sent this statement:

    “Rep. Issa’s letter expressed support for ‘full consideration’ of the application and fully acknowledged the process under which such requests are supposed to be properly evaluated. The ‘yes or no’ issue Rep. Issa raised in his interview on Fox News Sunday was, in fact, critical to understanding his request for consideration. While favored companies like Solyndra received quick approval for their loans from the Obama Administration, nearly three years after Aptera sought funding it has still not yet received a yes or no answer. Despite efforts by some to mischaracterize these statements and efforts, Rep. Issa has neither oversold nor undersold his efforts to assist Aptera in getting a yes or no answer from the Department of Energy.”

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    Yeah the Phoenix DA and the ATF acted on their own when they walked 2,000 assault rifles into another country illegally and handed them over to a homicidal drug cartel and nobody in Washington DC knew about it. :rotfl:

    A helicopter crash, 200 dead mexican citizens and a dead US border patrol agent later, when asked Holder says he only heard about this operation "two weeks ago" shortly thereafter emails clearly show he knew about it a year ago and that he's lying, perjuring himself.

    Issa better watch his ass!

    LMAO

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    [QUOTE=Frequent Flyer;4187580]Yeah the Phoenix DA and the ATF acted on their own when they walked 2,000 assault rifles into another country illegally and handed them over to a homicidal drug cartel and nobody in Washington DC knew about it. :rotfl:

    A helicopter crash, 200 dead mexican citizens and a dead US border patrol agent later, when asked Holder says he only heard about this operation "two weeks ago" shortly thereafter emails clearly show he knew about it a year ago and that he's lying, perjuring himself.

    Issa better watch his ass!

    LMAO[/QUOTE]

    You do understand that the Head of ATF is in DC and it was not the Phoenix DA it was the Phoenix U.S. Attorney's Office, but why let facts get in the way of your fantasies?

    The ATF really f'd up and the Asst. U.S. Attorney did too, they tried to run an operation that was flawed.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4187641]You do understand that the Head of ATF is in DC and it was not the Phoenix DA it was the Phoenix U.S. Attorney's Office, but why let facts get in the way of your fantasies?

    The ATF really f'd up and the Asst. U.S. Attorney did too, they tried to run an operation that was flawed.[/QUOTE]

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    There is certainly an appearance of a cover up by Holder.

    Regardless should we not hold some one accountable for the fiasco, or do you see it as there hearts were in the right place but that they simply made honest mistakes, as we all do.

    Personally I feel the ones responsible for Fast and Furious should be held responsible/fired, whom ever they may be. That's all I want.

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    [QUOTE=gunnails;4187665]=============================================

    There is certainly an appearance of a cover up by Holder.

    Regardless should we not hold some one accountable for the fiasco, or do you see it as there hearts were in the right place but that they simply made honest mistakes, as we all do.

    Personally I feel the ones responsible for Fast and Furious should be held responsible/fired, whom ever they may be. That's all I want.[/QUOTE]

    The ATF has reprimanded their agents and the U.S. Attorney's Office has as well. They are being held accountable, this Holder thing is out of control.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4187674]The ATF has reprimanded their agents and the U.S. Attorney's Office has as well. They are being held accountable, this Holder thing is out of control.[/QUOTE]

    Please define reprimand and is a reprimand the proper response [B]if[/B] the AG lied to congress?

    A reprimand is so nice. Please forward that to the deceased sherrif deputy.

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