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    Greedy Business Owners! How Dare You?!?!

    Damn greedy business owners!!:rolleyes: This is Dem MA State Rep (shocker) Elizabeth Warren who is running against Republican US Senator Scott Brown. I dunno but it sounds kinda like socialism:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOyDR2b71ag[/url]
    Last edited by PatriotReign; 09-30-2011 at 11:39 PM.

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    [QUOTE=PatriotReign;4167368]Damn greedy business owners!!:rolleyes: This is Dem MA State Rep (shocker) Elizabeth Warren who is running against Republican US Senator Scott Brown. I dunno but it sounds kinda like socialism:

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOyDR2b71ag[/url][/QUOTE]

    Interestingly I see the other side, and I am arguably one of the most fiscally conseravtive people you can meet.

    Where is she wrong?

    I think the issue she adresses is "HOW MUCH" is fair which brings back the REAL issue of over spending. You can raise taxes a few points but it will do NOTHING to a country who has developed a government workforce that is bloated and receiving benefits that none of its citizens can get in their businesses.

    The post office is an example of how government operates.

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    There is a reason why business owners get involved in politics and it isn't to look out for the little guy.

    There was a time in politics when citizens wanted to serve their communities and did not need a ton of cash to simply run for office.

    Follow the money and that is universal and has nothing to do with the Post Office, but man I love to hear about the Post Office every time someone makes a point about the gov't. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4167408]Interestingly I see the other side, and I am arguably one of the most fiscally conseravtive people you can meet.

    Where is she wrong?

    I think the issue she adresses is "HOW MUCH" is fair which brings back the REAL issue of over spending. You can raise taxes a few points but it will do NOTHING to a country who has developed a government workforce that is bloated and receiving benefits that none of its citizens can get in their businesses.

    The post office is an example of how government operates.[/QUOTE]

    WTF? Oh c'mon, do you REALLY think that this liberal Dem was talking about the government workforce? Your disdain for public/govt workers is on record but its evident that she is referring to private business owners. So with that reasonable observation I ask-

    Where are the private business owners wrong? What more should they be doing?
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    [QUOTE=PatriotReign;4167461]WTF? Oh c'mon, do you REALLY think that this liberal Dem was talking about the government workforce? Your disdain for public/govt workers is on record but its evident that she is referring to private business owners. So with that reasonable observation I ask-

    Where are the private business owners wrong? What more should they be doing?[/QUOTE]

    My point is....we need revenue and or we need spending cuts. My experience in reviewing the books of municipalities is the lack of respect for cost reduction is criminal. From padded overtime, padded expenses, purposeful overtime, and the like. Muni's simply want to grow their budgets.

    I have NEVER, not once, come across a municiupality where the expenses weren't so pushed to the 4th quarter because if you dont spend it, you lose it in next years budget. Please don't tell me you dont know at least 10 guys who took early disablity retirement when you know they could easily do the job etc... I know at least 10.

    Back to her, the private sector CAN'T do much more so what's left?

    Spending cuts. That's it.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4167658]My point is....we need revenue and or we need spending cuts. My experience in reviewing the books of municipalities is the lack of respect for cost reduction is criminal. From padded overtime, padded expenses, purposeful overtime, and the like. Muni's simply want to grow their budgets.

    I have NEVER, not once, come across a municiupality where the expenses weren't so pushed to the 4th quarter because if you dont spend it, you lose it in next years budget. Please don't tell me you dont know at least 10 guys who took early disablity retirement when you know they could easily do the job etc... I know at least 10.

    Back to her, the private sector CAN'T do much more so what's left?

    Spending cuts. That's it.[/QUOTE]

    You always find a way to take a swipe at us public sector types...lolz. No I can honestly say I don't know 10 people out on phoney disability.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4167658]My point is....we need revenue and or we need spending cuts. My experience in reviewing the books of municipalities is the lack of respect for cost reduction is criminal. From padded overtime, padded expenses, purposeful overtime, and the like. Muni's simply want to grow their budgets.

    I have NEVER, not once, come across a municiupality where the expenses weren't so pushed to the 4th quarter because if you dont spend it, you lose it in next years budget. Please don't tell me you dont know at least 10 guys who took early disablity retirement when you know they could easily do the job etc... I know at least 10.

    Back to her, the private sector CAN'T do much more so what's left?

    Spending cuts. That's it.[/QUOTE]

    There is waste in almost every type of employment, but what does make a difference is actually understanding what was actually happening when overtime is given or something had to be bought at a certain price. You have a luxury of auditing the books and Monday QBing the entity you are auditing. It is so easy to sit there and second guess every decision someone made about spending or not spending.
    Your obsession is annoying.
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    In the video Elizabeth Warren says that private sector business benefit from public spending.

    That American businesses:

    Use publicly built roads
    Use publicly built water/sewer system
    Hire employees who were educated in public schools
    Depend on the police for security
    Depend on Fire departments to stop oru cities and towns burning down

    That is not [I]socialist [/I]or [I]capitalist [/I]that is fact.

    You need either find a different argument or post another video.

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4167802]In the video Elizabeth Warren says that private sector business benefit from public spending.

    That American businesses:

    Use publicly built roads
    Use publicly built water/sewer system
    Hire employees who were educated in public schools
    Depend on the police for security
    Depend on Fire departments to stop oru cities and towns burning down

    That is not [I]socialist [/I]or [I]capitalist [/I]that is fact.

    You need either find a different argument or post another video.[/QUOTE]


    Buster and I agree........ Whats the world coming to.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4167408]
    The post office is an example of how government operates.[/QUOTE]

    so is the f22 strike fighter they spent billions developing and got cancelled

    or the gerald r ford class aircraft carrier at a cost of 15 billion a pop

    note I am not against these things just pointing out the spending is everywhere and we don't see alot of conservatives talking about hey maybe we don't need 11 aircraft carriers, maybe 10 is enough.

    bottom line running a good gov't is expensive, raise taxes.

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    as a side note elizabeth warren is on the side of the avg citizen. most of these senators are on the side of big business and the mega rich. she's a good woman and I hope she wins. the state of MA could do alot worse.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4167408]Interestingly I see the other side, and I am arguably one of the most fiscally conseravtive people you can meet.

    Where is she wrong?

    I think the issue she adresses is "HOW MUCH" is fair which brings back the REAL issue of over spending. You can raise taxes a few points but it will do NOTHING to a country who has developed a government workforce that is bloated and receiving benefits that none of its citizens can get in their businesses.

    The post office is an example of how government operates.[/QUOTE]

    the postal service DOES NOT run on tax dollars... it is funded solely by the sale of stamps, postage, and various package rates.. please stop using this argument if you dont know what you are talking about in the first place... :yes:

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    [QUOTE=neevsmazda07;4167872]the postal service DOES NOT run on tax dollars... it is funded solely by the sale of stamps, postage, and various package rates.. please stop using this argument if you dont know what you are talking about in the first place... :yes:[/QUOTE]

    Really...the PO has 4 billion in revenue and 8 billion in costs for the past 3 years. who do you think pays the difference? have you ever even read their financial statements?

    They are basically awarded the GAAP version of the DEATH PENALTY. Without 4 billion of federal infusion they would collapse.

    So I think you should educate yourself before you sound like the PO union commercial.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4167827]so is the f22 strike fighter they spent billions developing and got cancelled

    or the gerald r ford class aircraft carrier at a cost of 15 billion a pop

    note I am not against these things just pointing out the spending is everywhere and we don't see alot of conservatives talking about hey maybe we don't need 11 aircraft carriers, maybe 10 is enough.

    bottom line running a good gov't is expensive, raise taxes.[/QUOTE]

    personally...I like the idea of a tax increase, especially on the bottom 50 percent and an increase on the rich. It is like watching porn. gets you feeling hot and wet but it doesn't accomplish anything real.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4167885]Really...the PO has 4 billion in revenue and 8 billion in costs for the past 3 years. who do you think pays the difference? have you ever even read their financial statements?

    They are basically awarded the GAAP version of the DEATH PENALTY. Without 4 billion of federal infusion they would collapse.

    So I think you should educate yourself before you sound like the PO union commercial.[/QUOTE]

    i realize that you may find that my facts would offend your false ones... here is another fact:

    the 20 billion in postal losses you've heard about DOES NOT stem from the mail but rather from a 2006 congressional mandate that the postal service pre-fund future retiree health benefits for the next 75 years and do so within a decade- a burden no other public agency or private firm faces. the 21 billion cost since 2007 accounts for %100 of the agency's red ink over that period.

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    [QUOTE=neevsmazda07;4167897]i realize that you may find that my facts would offend your false ones... here is another fact:

    the 20 billion in postal losses you've heard about DOES NOT stem from the mail but rather from a 2006 congressional mandate that the postal service pre-fund future retiree health benefits for the next 75 years and do so within a decade- a burden no other public agency or private firm faces. the 21 billion cost since 2007 accounts for %100 of the agency's red ink over that period.[/QUOTE]

    which means that the PO can't Afford it's pensions. I agree. that's why NO private company has a pension like a government.

    Thenlink also proves you incorrect by citing drastically falling revenue.


    [url]http://www.henrywaxman.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Postal_Reform.pdf[/url]
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    the usps has overpaid billions of dollars into federal pension accounts... congress created the usps financial crisis, and congress can fix it. legislation pending in the house of representatives would prevent a collapse of the usps- without drastic cuts in service, without massive layoffs, and without terminating collective bargaining rights for postal employees. h.r. 1351, introduced by re. steven lynch{d-ma} would allow the postal service to apply the billions of dollars in pension overpayments to meet the postal service's financial obligations. this bill that was introduced does not call for a "bailout".

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4167900]

    Thenlink also proves you incorrect by citing drastically falling revenue.


    [url]http://www.henrywaxman.house.gov/UploadedFiles/Postal_Reform.pdf[/url][/QUOTE]

    every word i typed was accurate and can be independantly verified by you. visit saveamericaspostalservice.org for documentation...

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    [QUOTE=neevsmazda07;4167910]the usps has overpaid billions of dollars into federal pension accounts... congress created the usps financial crisis, and congress can fix it. legislation pending in the house of representatives would prevent a collapse of the usps- without drastic cuts in service, without massive layoffs, and without terminating collective bargaining rights for postal employees. h.r. 1351, introduced by re. steven lynch{d-ma} would allow the postal service to apply the billions of dollars in pension overpayments to meet the postal service's financial obligations. this bill that was introduced does not call for a "bailout".[/QUOTE]

    then financial statement, audited, don't support that logic. Spending pension dollars is unlawful for a real reason.

    the PO is selling a service that very few need. the new COMP USA.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4167917]then financial statement, audited, don't support that logic. Spending pension dollars is unlawful for a real reason.

    the PO is selling a service that very few need. the new COMP USA.[/QUOTE]

    thats your opinion. and thank god we live in a country that allows you to have one. heres another fact for you.

    over the past four fiscal years, the postal service has earned a $611 million dollar net profit delivering the mail, despite the worst recession in 80 years.

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