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    After twenty days, we finally know what the "occupiers" of Wall St. want

    [FONT="Book Antiqua"][SIZE="3"]We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men, women and transgendered -- and any other human who is able to elude the tyranny of work for a couple of weeks -- are created equal. We gather to be free not of tyranny, but of responsibility and college tuitions. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that a government long established and a nation long prosperous be changed for light and transient causes. So let our demands be submitted to a candid world.

    First, we are imbued with as many inalienable rights as a few thousand college kids and a gaggle of borderline celebrities can concoct, among them a guaranteed living-wage income regardless of employment and immediate across-the-board debt forgiveness -- even if that debt was acquired taking on a mortgage with a 4.1 percent interest rate and no money down, which, we admit, is a pretty sweet deal in historical context ...

    But down with the modern Gilded Age!

    We demand that a Master of Fine Arts in musical theater writing, with a minor in German, become an immutable human right, because education is crucial and rich people can afford to fund unemployment checks until we find jobs or in perpetuity, whichever comes first.

    We demand a minimum wage of $10, no ... make it $20. We earned it. And we demand the end of “profiteering,” because there is no better way to end joblessness than stopping the growth of capital. We also demand a maximum wage law, because selfish American dreams need a firm ceiling.

    We demand the institution of direct democracy, because if a bunch of people say it’s OK, it’s OK. And everyone deserves to have his or her voice heard.

    Except Mr. Moneybags, who we demand stop contributing his own money to candidates we disagree with, to issue groups we loathe and to lobbyists who do not work for organizations featuring “Service,” “Employees,” “International” and/or “Union” in their title.

    We demand the end to bailouts and corporate subsidies, unless we’re talking about companies that feature sunflowers or sun rays in their logos, because that’s the kind of morally gratifying institution we approve of, and thus, they should totally be fast-tracked and bailed out with your money to bring the fossil-fuel economy (“the economy”) to an end.

    We demand the end to a corrupt Wall Street (“Apple,” “your 401(k)”) because banks hold too much power. We demand that government consolidate authority so that elected officials can make prudent choices for us. All that cash in banks was printed by the war god Mars and has nothing to do with the voluntary deposits by ordinary Americans, so we do not consider this theft.

    We demand the end to corporate censorship, because if we can’t force private news organizations to run the types of stories with which we agree, there can’t be a healthy democracy. So actually, we demand the end of all corporate news organizations in the name of free speech.

    We demand the end to health profiteering, because everyone knows that all the wondrous and lifesaving advances in modern medicine were invented in the People’s Democratic Republic of Laos. Smart people work for the good of humanity, not because they’re greedy.

    We demand these rights because of the mass injustice of being able to freely protest against racism and corporatism without any real fear of imprisonment in the most diverse city on earth. And to the wiseguy who walked by the other day and claimed that I’d be writing this manifesto with a quill pen on parchment paper if it weren’t for capitalism, we have two words for you: Koch brothers. Think about it.

    This is the fifth communiqué from the 99.9 percent. We are occupying Wall Street, and we’re not going home until it gets really cold.[/SIZE][/FONT]


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    I don't mind these protesters at all. They have more in common with Tea Partiers than you think.

    Both are groups that are frustrated with a lack of voice in the political process and are expressing it through peaceful protests. That's about as American as you can get. If nothing else, it's about time some younger people spoke up and fought for their rights, whether you agree with them or not. Would you rather have robots sitting at home mezmerized by their new 360 Xbox? :huh:

    Believe it or not, its's their country too. I say good for them.

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4177431]I don't mind these protesters at all. They have more in common with Tea Partiers than you think.[/QUOTE]

    Right. One group wants lower taxes, and the other wants taxes raised. Plenty in common.

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    [QUOTE=Frequent Flyer;4177433]Right. One group wants lower taxes, and the other wants taxes raised. Plenty in common.[/QUOTE]

    Sure its easy to mock whichever side you disagree with (dirty stupid lazy hippies or racist morons) but both groups feel marginalized by the process. Their viewpoints are different but caused by the same thing, the ever deepening ineffectiveness of the US government.

    I give them both props.

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4177518]Sure its easy to mock whichever side you disagree with (dirty stupid lazy hippies or racist morons) but both groups feel marginalized by the process. Their viewpoints are different but caused by the same thing, the ever deepening ineffectiveness of the US government.

    I give them both props.[/QUOTE]

    :huh:

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4177518]Sure its easy to mock whichever side you disagree with (dirty stupid lazy hippies or racist morons) but both groups feel marginalized by the process. Their viewpoints are different but caused by the same thing, the ever deepening ineffectiveness of the US government.

    I give them both props.[/QUOTE]

    George Soros, Moveon.org, Van Jones, AFL-CIO, et-al feel marginalized?

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4177431]I don't mind these protesters at all. They have more in common with Tea Partiers than you think.

    Both are groups that are frustrated with a lack of voice in the political process and are expressing it through peaceful protests. That's about as American as you can get. If nothing else, it's about time some younger people spoke up and fought for their rights, whether you agree with them or not. Would you rather have robots sitting at home mezmerized by their new 360 Xbox? :huh:

    Believe it or not, its's their country too. I say good for them.[/QUOTE]

    Yep, I agree.... I wonder if the war protesters in the Vietnam era looked like this to the THEN establishment.

    These kids, as much as I believe will never get a better shot unless they work, have all the right to do what they are doing. This changing of America is happening and we cant stop it.

    They appear to be a little more unruly than a tea party protester but they are entitled to protest.

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    [QUOTE=Trades;4177527]George Soros, Moveon.org, Van Jones, AFL-CIO, et-al feel marginalized?[/QUOTE]

    By the government (no less)?

    :huh:

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4177431]Both are groups that are frustrated with a lack of voice in the political process and are expressing it through peaceful protests.[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGQlYiRu4xU[/url]

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    I'll be curious to see if the "occupiers" clean up their litter on their way out like the Tea Party people do.

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4177431]I don't mind these protesters at all. They have more in common with Tea Partiers than you think.

    Both are groups that are frustrated with a lack of voice in the political process and are expressing it through peaceful protests. That's about as American as you can get. If nothing else, it's about time some younger people spoke up and fought for their rights, whether you agree with them or not. Would you rather have robots sitting at home mezmerized by their new 360 Xbox? :huh:

    Believe it or not, its's their country too. I say good for them.[/QUOTE]

    Tea Partiers don't leave a mess, clog streets and actually work for a living. These people live off the wealth of society. They really need to take a bath and get a job!

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    I love America - but not the filthy rich capitalist society it is now. That America is inherently evil, it has been killing people on this continent since it was started. As if that were not enough, it is now spreading the cancer of Pax Americana and imperialism in the Middle East. No, the America that I love is the non-polluted, sparsely populated country of five hundred years ago, with its various tribes free of capitalist exploitation, breaking each others skulls with stone axes, ****ting in the woods and getting eaten by wild animals.

    We want to squash the evils of profiteering, corporatism, and economic exploitation and replace them with a central government that enforces
    regulation, social justice, and compels community involvement!

    We want our country back!

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4177542][url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGQlYiRu4xU[/url][/QUOTE]

    Fish, I'm really not sure I call that extreme violence. Not compared to terrorism and bombings. That's about par for the course for a public protest.

    You guys are harping on details. I'm talking about the big picture.

    History tells us some of these people will be "the establishment" in the future. It would be foolish to ignore them.

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;4177553]Tea Partiers don't leave a mess, clog streets and actually work for a living. These people live off the wealth of society. They really need to take a bath and get a job![/QUOTE]

    Listen to some of the establishment during the 1968 democratic convention in Chicago. The protesters were literally yelled at by (I Believe) Hubert Humphrey to take a bath and use soap!

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4177431]I don't mind these protesters at all. They have more in common with Tea Partiers than you think.

    Both are groups that are frustrated with a lack of voice in the political process and are expressing it through peaceful protests. That's about as American as you can get. If nothing else, it's about time some younger people spoke up and fought for their rights, whether you agree with them or not. Would you rather have robots sitting at home mezmerized by their new 360 Xbox? :huh:

    Believe it or not, its's their country too. I say good for them.[/QUOTE]

    Yeah, I'm all for attempting to make change through peaceful protest. But not when the people protesting only have the vaguest of general ideas of what they want changed. They actually aren't saying "this thing is wrong and should change" - they're saying "we don't like the outcomes, change something, somehow!"

    That's not speaking up for their rights, it's whining. I'd respect it a lot if they had an actual issue.

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4177614]Fish, I'm really not sure I call that extreme violence.[/quote]

    I don't recall saying it was. You mentioned the protest, I felt a visual example of it would be enlightening to the discussion. I made no judgement.

    [QUOTE]That's about par for the course for a public protest.[/QUOTE]

    Do you think Tea Party protests, and this protest, are equivalent in their violence and potential for violence?

    [quote]History tells us some of these people will be "the establishment" in the future. It would be foolish to ignore them.[/QUOTE]

    It's foolish to ignore anyone, and I agree, some of them certainly will have a place in the future.

    The question then is what they want. They seem to want a specifici group "Wall Street" to be penalized as a group, have their assets taken and redistributed, and those "Wall Street" people imprisoned. They then want "Wall Street" to fund employment (?) so they can have jobs, which they seem to feel is a human right owed to them.

    What I would ask is who, specificly, should go to jail. And why, specificly, does anyone owe them money or jobs? Right now, the core anger here smeels alot like Germany circa 1932. Replace "Jews" with "Rich Wall Street Bankers like Goldman-Sachs", and the rest is to the letter the same rhetoric.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4177646]Replace "Jews" with "Rich Wall Street Bankers like Goldman-Sachs", and the rest is to the letter the same rhetoric.[/QUOTE]

    It's the New Flavor of Kristallnacht?

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4177646]
    1. Do you think Tea Party protests, and this protest, are equivalent in their violence and potential for violence?

    It's foolish to ignore anyone, and I agree, some of them certainly will have a place in the future.

    2. The question then is what they want. They seem to want a specifici group "Wall Street" to be penalized as a group, have their assets taken and redistributed, and those "Wall Street" people imprisoned. They then want "Wall Street" to fund employment (?) so they can have jobs, which they seem to feel is a human right owed to them.

    What I would ask is who, specificly, should go to jail. And why, specificly, does anyone owe them money or jobs? Right now, the core anger here smeels alot like Germany circa 1932. Replace "Jews" with "Rich Wall Street Bankers like Goldman-Sachs", and the rest is to the letter the same rhetoric.[/QUOTE]

    1. No because Tea Partiers are older. I'm not kidding either, with time comes a bit more wisdom on actions.

    2. And again, I wasn't trying to address the specific platform of either group. I just think if you "like" the TP you should also have a soft spot for these dirty stupid hippies, as misguided as they are. If not for their thoughts then at least for their willingness to stand up. I think if you listen to the more reasonable in the bunch (and not concentrate on a few YouTubes, similar to those who try and marginalize the TP by showing a few kooks at a rally), they're expressing a frustation/mistrust of the financial institutions. And lets be honest can you really blame them?

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    [QUOTE=FF2®;4177697]...they're expressing a frustation/mistrust of the financial institutions. And lets be honest can you really blame them?[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4177658]It's the New Flavor of Kristallnacht?[/QUOTE]

    You tell me. Blaming an entire group of people, not individually for specific individual crimes, but as a whole.

    Not blaming the inept Government for a failure to enforce Law...but blaming an entire group, wholesale, as "evil", "Corrupt", "thieves" who "owe their wealth" to the people.

    A desire to take from an entire group their wealth, because the down economy is "all their fault", and they "owe it" to the people?

    If that isn't scapegoatseing, I don't know what is.

    The core question is this: If some people on Wall Street commited fraud, why did the Government not prosecute them? Who'se failing is that?

    And if there was a failure fo Government to protect the people, because of legislation passed and special interests served, why protest Wall Street, and no Congress, who allowed it to happen, and didn't prosecute anyone (including their own members) for the crimes and fraud?

    Nope, seem easier to play "blame Wall Street" as a whole. And by extention, every person who is invested in it.

    [QUOTE=FF2®;4177697]1. No because Tea Partiers are older. I'm not kidding either, with time comes a bit more wisdom on actions.[/quote]

    A fair point. I would disagree thats all there is to it, however.

    [QUOTE]2. And again, I wasn't trying to address the specific platform of either group. I just think if you "like" the TP you should also have a soft spot for these dirty stupid hippies, as misguided as they are.[/QUOTE]

    I'm curious, will all those who loudly proclaimed teh Tea Party as a "Astroturf" movement say the same here?

    [QUOTE]I think if you listen to the more reasonable in the bunch (and not concentrate on a few YouTubes, similar to those who try and marginalize the TP by showing a few kooks at a rally), [/QUOTE]

    Interesting, I don;t recall you making that point when it was teh Tea Party being criticised in such ways.

    [quote]they're expressing a frustation/mistrust of the financial institutions. And lets be honest can you really blame them?[/QUOTE]

    Yes.

    The failure was entirely of Government. To enforce the Laws and Regs beforehand, to allows the fraud to exists via their financial regulations, and to fail to enforce the laws afterwards and prosecute those who broke laws. Top it off with a Government who then handed Wall Street money, rather then let them fail (both parties and cuplable for each part).

    So yes, their anger is misdirected. Wall Street is a symptom. Government is the problem (as it exists now and back then).

    What this is is a movement who believes in Anti-Capitalism, and Big Government. That, not the actual cause fo the problems, is why they are at Wall Street.

    Best Irony on radio this morning, lefty Alex Bennet saying that Businesses in the Wall Street area have a moral responsabillity to allow the protestors to use their restrooms without limits. Sometimes the lols just keep on coming.
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