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    Box Office Politics: The Movies and Stars Dems vs. GOPers Love (and Love to Hate)

    came across this and just found it interesting


    [url]http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/politics-box-office-democrats-republicans-244741[/url]


    [QUOTE]On Sept. 23, Morgan Freeman went on CNN's Piers Morgan Tonight to proclaim that Tea Party opposition to President Obama "is a racist thing." The timing wasn't ideal, considering Dolphin Tale had opened that day and the film was tracking particularly well among conservatives, many of whom the star had suddenly maligned.

    While only 627,000 people saw Freeman on CNN that night, millions soon viewed the clip as Drudge Report, Twitter, Facebook and other digital outlets turned it into a viral sensation -- not difficult given how partisan and personal politics have become in this run-up to the 2012 presidential election. "He belongs on my 'no pay, no watch' list after his latest, nearly hallucinatory raving," wrote one commenter on a conservative media site.


    With Dolphin Tale opening with a strong $19.2 million that first weekend and finishing No. 1 with $13.9 million in its second, the financial impact of Freeman's comments is hard to quantify. But they did have an effect. [B]In a far-ranging poll Penn Schoen Berland conducted for The Hollywood Reporter of 1,000 registered voters to gauge moviegoing tendencies of Democrats vs. Republicans, it's clear political allegiances have shifted entertainment viewing habits. [/B]Jon Penn, the firm's president of media and entertainment research, says that before Freeman's words, interest in Dolphin Tale was considerably higher among conservatives and religious moviegoers than among liberals. [B]After the remarks, 34 percent of the conservatives who were aware of them, and 37 percent of Tea Partiers, said they were less likely to see the film -- but 42 percent of liberals said they were more likely. (Five days after Freeman's remarks, 24 percent of all moviegoers were aware of them.)[/B]

    [B]In fact, overall, 35 percent of Republicans and 45 percent of Tea Partiers consider a celebrity's political position before paying to see their films, compared with 20 percent of Democrats.[/B]

    Many exhibitors say privately that they cringe when a star waxes politically just before one of their movies opens -- like when, seven weeks before Contagion, Matt Damon attended a Save Our Schools march where some attendees compared Republicans to "terrorists." Videos of Damon mocking conservatives for their fiscal policies spread like wildfire on the Internet.

    [B]"Of course it impacts box office," says Landmark Theatres owner Mark Cuban. "You just hope that for every member of one party that no-shows because of comments, another buys a ticket for the same reason."[/B]

    Among the poll's findings:

    ► [B]Democrats are bigger moviegoer[/B]s This is likely fueled by Hollywood's reputation -- among both parties -- for churning out movies that promote liberalism (Avatar was named by the most moviegoers as having a liberal agenda). During the past six months, Democrats have seen on average 5.7 movies in a theater, while Republicans have seen fewer than four.

    ► [B]Republicans are more likely to wait for home video[/B] Democrats are likelier to see movies on opening weekend, while GOP members prefer waiting it out. Republicans assume their values will be assaulted onscreen -- so why pay the big bucks? -- while Democrats embrace pop culture more and want to be "in the know," says Penn.

    ► Republicans prefer family films; Democrats like edge From hundreds of Oscar winners and classics, [B]Republicans were far more likely to name as favorites The Sound of Music and It's a Wonderful Life; Democrats favored Bonnie and Clyde and The Silence of the Lambs. Among recent films, Republicans were likelier to choose Soul Surfer and Secretariat. Democrats? The Social Network, Bad Teacher and Easy A.[/B]

    ► Republicans tsk-tsk sex, violence and cursing While majorities of both parties think movies contain too much of all those, the numbers are greater for Republicans. A majority of Democrats think Hollywood films are generally inspiring and morally uplifting; a majority of Republicans don't.

    ► Democrats think America is portrayed well [B]While 62 percent of Dems say Hollywood shows America in a positive light, only 39 percent of Republicans concur. And 44 percent of Republicans think Hollywood portrays the U.S. military negatively, but only 21 percent of Democrats agree.[/B] "Typically, when you see a movie, it will reflect a Democrat's values," says Penn. [B]"Republicans aren't getting the films they want."
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    ► [B]Not everything about movies is partisan Dems and Republicans say comedy is their favorite genre, popcorn is their favorite theater snack, Forrest Gump is their preferred blockbuster and Indiana Jones is their favorite action hero.[/B]

    Probably nothing in the poll, though, is more sobering for Hollywood than the large numbers of moviegoers who hold the political views of actors against them. [B]For Republicans, 52 percent say they have avoided a movie because of the political views of its star. Among Democrats, it's 36 percent.[/B]

    [B]Many Democrats, for example, don't want to see movies that star Charlton Heston because he was president of the National Rifle Association. On the flip side, Sean Penn repels about 40 percent of Republicans.[/B] In March 2009, Fox News host Bill O'Reilly made news worldwide when he told THR that Penn is the only actor he refuses to buy a ticket to see because he "gives aid and comfort" to dictators. O'Reilly's impassioned audience is 3 million a night -- his feelings, one might surmise, would reverberate. (Penn's biggest domestic box-office movie is 2003's Mystic River, with $90.1 million; his 2010 film Fair Game, about Valerie Plame, grossed $9.5 million.)

    "What causes a liberal actor to lose conservative fans has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with class," says John Nolte, editor-in-chief of the conservative entertainment site Big Hollywood. "An actor who simply goes on about the business of acting and supporting left-wing causes usually generates nothing more than indifference from right-of-center fans and can generate respect because of how they handle themselves, especially when compared to their obnoxious counterparts."

    Until recently, Freeman wasn't known for political activism. There are, however, other celebrities who are so partisan that their off-screen politics influence box-office potential, as is the case with Whoopi Goldberg, Oprah Winfrey and Jane Fonda. Those three, along with Penn, are identified by the poll as celebrities whose movies large numbers of Republicans avoid.

    While less likely to take stars' politics into consideration when buying tickets, there are a few actors Democrats also shy from, such as Mel Gibson and Arnold Schwarzenegger. [B]Even Michael Moore is shunned by 21 percent of moviegoing Democrats -- balanced out by the 25 percent who say they seek out his movies. "Many Democrats and liberals see Michael Moore in the same way that many Republicans and conservatives see Pat Robertson: as an embarrassing blowhard who makes their own side look bad,"[/B] says John Pitney Jr., a professor of American politics at Claremont McKenna College. Perhaps that's one reason Moore broke records with his $119 million domestic haul from Fahrenheit 9/11 while follow-ups Sicko and Capitalism: A Love Story took in $25 million and $14 million, respectively.

    There are a few stars so admired by one party for their activism that they will seek out their films -- though that love might not translate to the box office because there are usually enough on the other side who say they'll avoid those same actors. [B]Conservative Jon Voight is in that category, as are liberals Damon and George Clooney[/B], who opens the politically charged The Ides of March on Oct. 7. [B]Some are simply universally admired for their activism, like Clint Eastwood, John Wayne and Bob Hope.[/B]

    Meanwhile, back to Dolphin Tale. Alcon co-president Andrew Kosove won't entertain the notion that Freeman hurt box-office performance "by even one dollar!" In a written statement, he says he doesn't share Freeman's view and adds: "As a person who has some libertarian viewpoints myself, I STRONGLY believe Morgan's right to express whatever beliefs he has on any topic. We are a free country. Thank God!"

    Thank God is right.
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    I don't know, I think stuff like this is interesting..seeing the other areas of life where Liberals and Conservative split or come together.

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    I'm guilty of the latter, avoiding some actors who I feel are just over the top and too fringe. Sean Penn and Susan Sarandon spring to mind.

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    I don't know if I really buy any of that. If a movie looks really good I'll want to go see it, regardless of who the lead actor supports in his or her personal life. Otherwise I really don't go to the movies at all, but that doesnt have anything to do with me being a conservative. I just think it's too expensive and theaters are kind of gross.

    The problem with Sean Penn is that he chooses films that have a political/social spin to them. Do you really think conservatives chose not to see Milk because of who starred in it?

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;4178512]I don't know if I really buy any of that. If a movie looks really good I'll want to go see it, regardless of who the lead actor supports in his or her personal life. Otherwise I really don't go to the movies at all, but that doesnt have anything to do with me being a conservative. I just think it's too expensive and theaters are kind of gross.

    The problem with Sean Penn is that he chooses films that have a political/social spin to them. Do you really think conservatives chose not to see Milk because of who starred in it?[/QUOTE]

    Exactly, I am the same way other than the "theaters are icky comment". :D

    I go to the movies to see the story, action, etc. I can't say I have ever gone to a move for a particular actor.

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    On a semi-related note, I was watching an episode of "Criminal Minds" on DVR last night, and was once again shocked that you can portray the violent abduction, rape, mutilation and murder of an assembly line of women on primetime TV....

    ....but if one were to show her nipple whilst being gutted like a fish, there would suddenly be :outrage:

    Funny country we live in when it comes to acceptable entertainment IMO. And I do think it says something about us, and how we relate to both sex and violence.

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    I refuse to give my money to extremists: Moore, Penn, Damon. I know their movies are mostly lies and spin, so why would I go knowing I'll get pissed?

    I liked Avatar. Lots of "progressivism" in Star Trek. meh. If you really used a political measuring stick, you'd never see anything.

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4178534]On a semi-related note, I was watching an episode of "Criminal Minds" on DVR last night, and was once again shocked that you can portray the violent abduction, rape, mutilation and murder of an assembly line of women on primetime TV....

    ....but if one were to show her nipple whilst being gutted like a fish, there would suddenly be :outrage:

    Funny country we live in when it comes to acceptable entertainment IMO. And I do think it says something about us, and how we relate to both sex and violence.[/QUOTE]

    +1 :yes:

    Another "funny" thing is that commentators on Fox like to hate TV shows because of violence. vulgarity and sex. And the majority of the shows they dislike air on the...



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    FOX Network.

    They outrage themselves. :P

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    You won't catch me in a movie theater once flu season starts. It's like a peatry dish of germs and coughing and sneezing. Totally gross and the sounds of sick ruin the enjoyment of the film.

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    [QUOTE=quantum;4178565]I refuse to give my money to extremists: Moore, Penn, Damon. I know their movies are mostly lies and spin, so why would I go knowing I'll get pissed?

    I liked Avatar. Lots of "progressivism" in Star Trek. meh. If you really used a political measuring stick, you'd never see anything.[/QUOTE]

    Matt Damon makes some good movies. George Clooney, too. The last Clooney movie I saw in theaters was Up in the Air, and I really enjoyed it. Really looking forward to the Ides of March.

    Johnny Depp is another actor who is way out there but is a terrific actor.

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    [QUOTE=pauliec;4178623]Matt Damon makes some good movies. George Clooney, too. The last Clooney movie I saw in theaters was Up in the Air, and I really enjoyed it. Really looking forward to the Ides of March.

    Johnny Depp is another actor who is way out there but is a terrific actor.[/QUOTE]

    Yep, on all three.

    To me, you simply have to seperate an artists politics from their work, unless their work is 100% political. I can enjoy a movie with a pure liberal agenda behind it, if the story is compelling, the acting brilliant, and the characters worth caring about. Same goes for books, fiction.

    Hell, my two favorite songwriters, Roger Waters and Tom Yorke, are a strident anti-millitary socialist, and an outright commu-anarchist respectively.

    So what. Their music and words are pure brilliance.:yes:

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    [QUOTE=Warfish;4178681]Yep, on all three.

    To me, you simply have to seperate an artists politics from their work, unless their work is 100% political. I can enjoy a movie with a pure liberal agenda behind it, if the story is compelling, the acting brilliant, and the characters worth caring about. Same goes for books, fiction.

    Hell, my two favorite songwriters, Roger Waters and Tom Yorke, are a strident anti-millitary socialist, and an outright commu-anarchist respectively.

    So what. Their music and words are pure brilliance.:yes:[/QUOTE]

    man I love Radiohead.....I am such a music nerd though....

    I agree, but to be honest, this was a poll of what, 1,000? I don't tend to think of you or Paulie C as hard line ideologues.

    I tend to avoid most Micheal Moore films, and I had no real interest in that American Carol movie.

    I saw some of the Iraq war movies...liked "The Hurt Locker", confused by "Green Zone" but I think that was more about Greengrass' directing style, I thought "In The Valley Of Elah" was really good, and Tommy Lee Jones is someone I love to watch act. I always heard that people thought it was a film with an agenda, but I never picked up on it.....but that could just be me.

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    [QUOTE=quantum;4178565]Lots of "progressivism" in Star Trek. meh.[/QUOTE]

    What in the movie Star Trek would offend tea party sensiblities? Science? A black chick kissing a white guy?

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    [QUOTE=TerminatorJet;4179674]What in the movie Star Trek would offend tea party sensiblities? Science? A black chick kissing a white guy?[/QUOTE]

    The Tea Party is against progressiveness?
    :dunno:

    Say what you will, but the Shatner/Nichols kiss was a huge moment in television history. There were many passion play/social commentary episodes of Star Trek, both in the original series and its offshoots. It was a very bold show whose impact on its time should have been considered right up there with "All in the Family".

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    Michael Moore sucks.

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