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    there are 2 things that boost the general perception of flacco. one is that he's very tall. the second is that he came from a small school, ala big ben, so he was hailed as the next rothleisburger. but he's not close to being that good.

    a lot of new qbs come into the league, have some early success, then level off or even regress, b/c they're just not that talented. flacco is an example of that.

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    [QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;4215812]I don't like comparing Sanchez to contemporaries. I prefer to compare him to older QB's
    at the same point of their career. Curiously, Sanchez is very comparable stat-wise to Tom Brady.
    Here are their stats after their first 38 games.

    Brady 771/1238; 62.2%; 8075 yds; 6.5 ypa; 54 td; 33 int; 22 fumbles
    Sanchez 603/1102; 54.7%; 7280 yds; 6.6 ypa; 41 td; 39 int; 16 fumbles

    It should be noted that Brady had 1 year in the NFL under his belt before becoming the starting
    QB and Sanchez started his first game as a rookie. So, one would expect Brady's stats to be better
    after his first 38 games.

    Some judge QB's by wins. So, here is their records through 38 regular season games.

    Brady 25-13
    Sanchez 23-15

    None of this included playoff stats or records. Here is their playoff records
    and stats through the same point of their careers.

    Brady 60/97; 61.9%; 572 yds; 5.9 ypa; 1 td; 1 int; 3 wins, 0 losses
    Sanchez 95/137; 60.5%; 1155 yds ; 7.4 ypa; 9 td; 3 int; 4 wins, 2 losses


    People can obviously draw thier own conclusions. My conclusion is that Sanchez is doing
    just fine, has proven to be at his best in crunch time, and has a very high ceiling. I don't know
    that he'll ever be as good as Brady is right now, but their is really nothing you can point to and
    say Sanchez has no chance of ever being as good as Brady.[/QUOTE]

    great post!

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    [QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;4215812]I don't like comparing Sanchez to contemporaries. I prefer to compare him to older QB's
    at the same point of their career. Curiously, Sanchez is very comparable stat-wise to Tom Brady.
    Here are their stats after their first 38 games.

    Brady 771/1238; 62.2%; 8075 yds; 6.5 ypa; 54 td; 33 int; 22 fumbles
    Sanchez 603/1102; 54.7%; 7280 yds; 6.6 ypa; 41 td; 39 int; 16 fumbles

    [/QUOTE]

    I don't think those numbers are comparable at all. Brady's completion % is almost 8% higher, which is A LOT. He also has 21 more TDs than INTs whereas Sanchez has 2 more TDs than INTs. This tells me that at the same stage in their careers, Brady was probably better at keeping drives alive and made better decisions.

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    [QUOTE=teng;4216064]I don't think those numbers are comparable at all. Brady's completion % is almost 8% higher, which is A LOT. He also has 21 more TDs than INTs whereas Sanchez has 2 more TDs than INTs. This tells me that at the same stage in their careers, Brady was probably better at keeping drives alive and made better decisions.[/QUOTE]

    the patriots also cheated during this span so im sure brady had a little head's up as to what was coming..dont hate me this is true

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    It's incredibly hard to compare Sanchez because of the rarity of what he's done.

    During the regular season he's been a below average (statistically, unquestionably) QB, who's made 6 starts in the playoffs before he's 25 Years Old.
    Only 14 QBs so much as played in 3+ playoff games early in their career by the time they were 25.
    And it's been a mix of every kind of QB
    [PHP]Player Tm W L Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A
    Dan Marino* MIA 3 3 56.00% 1680 13 10 79.4 7.18 6.37
    Bernie Kosar CLE 2 3 57.20% 1399 10 7 83.2 7.48 6.87
    Roethlisberger PIT 5 1 60.50% 1210 10 8 86.8 8.23 7.14
    Mark Sanchez NYJ 4 2 60.50% 1155 9 3 94.3 7.36 7.64
    Donovan McNabb PHI 3 2 61.50% 969 8 5 80.7 5.73 5.35
    Aaron Brooks NOR 1 1 59.70% 561 6 3 92 7.29 7.09
    Joe Montana* SFO 3 0 63.60% 747 6 4 94.3 8.49 7.81
    David Woodley MIA 3 2 59.30% 645 5 6 74.4 7.96 5.86
    Joe Flacco RAV 4 3 53.30% 1050 4 7 61.6 5.71 4.43
    Pat Haden RAM 2 3 44.70% 728 4 12 35.3 5.92 2.18
    Vince Ferragamo RAM 2 2 50.60% 715 3 5 66.5 8.41 6.47
    Jay Schroeder WAS 2 1 45.70% 469 3 2 60.4 4.47 4.18
    Tom Brady NWE 3 0 61.90% 572 1 1 77.3 5.9 5.64
    [/PHP]

    I haven't gone through the lesser known QBs to see what kind of career they had, but obviously a lot of great QBs, and a lot of mediocre QBs. The fact that Sanchez has played 6 games is 1 comparable number, but he could easily become Jay Schroeder as Bernie Kosar
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    [QUOTE=Batmans A Scientist;4216173]It's incredibly hard to compare Sanchez because of the rarity of what he's done.

    During the regular season he's been a below average (statistically, unquestionably) QB, who's made 6 starts in the playoffs before he's 25 Years Old.
    Only 14 QBs so much as played in 3+ playoff games early in their career by the time they were 25.
    And it's been a mix of every kind of QB
    [PHP]Player Tm W L Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A
    Dan Marino* MIA 3 3 56.00% 1680 13 10 79.4 7.18 6.37
    Bernie Kosar CLE 2 3 57.20% 1399 10 7 83.2 7.48 6.87
    Roethlisberger PIT 5 1 60.50% 1210 10 8 86.8 8.23 7.14
    Mark Sanchez NYJ 4 2 60.50% 1155 9 3 94.3 7.36 7.64
    Donovan McNabb PHI 3 2 61.50% 969 8 5 80.7 5.73 5.35
    Aaron Brooks NOR 1 1 59.70% 561 6 3 92 7.29 7.09
    Joe Montana* SFO 3 0 63.60% 747 6 4 94.3 8.49 7.81
    David Woodley MIA 3 2 59.30% 645 5 6 74.4 7.96 5.86
    Joe Flacco RAV 4 3 53.30% 1050 4 7 61.6 5.71 4.43
    Pat Haden RAM 2 3 44.70% 728 4 12 35.3 5.92 2.18
    Vince Ferragamo RAM 2 2 50.60% 715 3 5 66.5 8.41 6.47
    Jay Schroeder WAS 2 1 45.70% 469 3 2 60.4 4.47 4.18
    Tom Brady NWE 3 0 61.90% 572 1 1 77.3 5.9 5.64
    [/PHP]

    I haven't gone through the lesser known QBs to see what kind of career they had, but obviously a lot of great QBs, and a lot of mediocre QBs. The fact that Sanchez has played 6 games is 1 comparable number, but he could easily become Jay Schroeder as Bernie Kosar[/QUOTE]

    Jay Schroeder wasnt a bad QB. I just think he was an *******.

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    Anyone who calls Flacco an elite QB (like Clayton) is being a fool. Who honestly would put Flacco among top 10 QBs in the league? And I'm not even saying top 10 is elite, but Flacco wouldn't even make that list. The guy has been above average in reg season but done in by repeated poor playoff performances that have cost his team otherwise winnable games. Even average QB play in the Ravens playoff losses probably sees them winning.

    He's been crummy so far this year. He's not exactly trending in the right direction.

    Sanchez on the other hand has had his best start to the reg season so far, let's hope he keeps the turnovers down and keeps throwing TDs at a good clip. Plus he's shown propensity to raise his game in the playoffs, with particularly impressive outings against the Colts in the AFC CG and the Pats in the divisional round last year

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    [QUOTE=BIGKIDD325;4215788]Flacco is not elite.

    Brady, Brees, Rodgers, P. Manning, Roethlisberger, and Rivers (though he hasn't played like it this season) are elite. No one else is outside possibly Eli Manning.[/QUOTE]

    my thoughts exactly... i hate when the term elite is thrown around to pretty good qb's like eli (who i hate but is having a good year) all the way down to overated guys like freeman and flacco. if your going to mention elite quarterbacks it should start and end with the names above

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    You can't be considered Elite when your entire defense hates you. LOL Flacco.

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    [QUOTE=chrebetCT1192;4216242]my thoughts exactly... i hate when the term elite is thrown around to pretty good qb's like eli (who i hate but is having a good year) all the way down to overated guys like freeman and flacco. if your going to mention elite quarterbacks it should start and end with the names above[/QUOTE]

    Rivers was good a few years but id take him out of that catergory...rex was right those chargers teams were stacked

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    plus to be elite you have to be considered a clutch qb. not sure if rivers falls into that category.

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    [QUOTE=Batmans A Scientist;4216173]It's incredibly hard to compare Sanchez because of the rarity of what he's done.

    During the regular season he's been a below average (statistically, unquestionably) QB, who's made 6 starts in the playoffs before he's 25 Years Old.
    Only 14 QBs so much as played in 3+ playoff games early in their career by the time they were 25.
    And it's been a mix of every kind of QB
    [PHP]Player Tm W L Cmp% Yds TD Int Rate Y/A AY/A
    Dan Marino* MIA 3 3 56.00% 1680 13 10 79.4 7.18 6.37
    Bernie Kosar CLE 2 3 57.20% 1399 10 7 83.2 7.48 6.87
    Roethlisberger PIT 5 1 60.50% 1210 10 8 86.8 8.23 7.14
    Mark Sanchez NYJ 4 2 60.50% 1155 9 3 94.3 7.36 7.64
    Donovan McNabb PHI 3 2 61.50% 969 8 5 80.7 5.73 5.35
    Aaron Brooks NOR 1 1 59.70% 561 6 3 92 7.29 7.09
    Joe Montana* SFO 3 0 63.60% 747 6 4 94.3 8.49 7.81
    David Woodley MIA 3 2 59.30% 645 5 6 74.4 7.96 5.86
    Joe Flacco RAV 4 3 53.30% 1050 4 7 61.6 5.71 4.43
    Pat Haden RAM 2 3 44.70% 728 4 12 35.3 5.92 2.18
    Vince Ferragamo RAM 2 2 50.60% 715 3 5 66.5 8.41 6.47
    Jay Schroeder WAS 2 1 45.70% 469 3 2 60.4 4.47 4.18
    Tom Brady NWE 3 0 61.90% 572 1 1 77.3 5.9 5.64
    [/PHP]

    [/QUOTE]
    interesting that Sanchez has the highest TD:INT here and tied for best passer rating with Montana.

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