And as a state school, it is only a matter of time before the politicans will have to take a position because of public pressure. Once that happens, Joe Pa, the university President and all officials involved will be toast.
I'm a life-long Penn State football fan - my dad is a '62 grad, I grew up with it. I didn't know (or care) about graduation rates, team-first mentality or building solid citizens when I started cheering for PSU, I was only about 4 years old. As I grew up and came to learn about these things, it was an influence on my life - I realized that you can compete and succeed without taking the shortcuts, exploiting the loopholes,etc. In high school, in an era (mid-80's) when teams that didn't play within a hundred miles of a TV camera were putting TV numbers on their sleeves, names on their backs, and every other piece of individuality they could get away with, my HS team got plain white jerseys with just numbers front and back, no names, no stripes, nothing. I loved it. I convinced my teammates to love it. We didn't lose a game in those jerseys, started wearing them every week.
And now it all means ****. If Penn State were cheating, giving cars and cash to recruits, putting boastful chest-thumping criminals out on the field, and graduating 3% of them, but stood up and helped even one of these kids, maybe got Sandusky the help he needs and/or the punishment he deserves and prevented dozens (if not more) from becoming victims, I'd have infinitely more respect for them than I do now.
I feel duped, and dirty for ever cheering for these monsters, any of them that knew and did nothing. Or even did just the bare minimum, and sat by as this guy continued to walk the streets. You have a duty, as a human being, to do something. This is not a liquor store robbery - every day they waited, more lives were destroyed - hundreds every time it happened, when you think about the compounding nature of this particular evil, passed on to generations.
SMU is a Top 50 University in a major metropolitan area with a $1 Billion endowment and a presidential library under construction. Nevertheless, the team can't draw a crowd b/c our home games are against UCF and Memphis instead of Baylor and Texas b/c the actions of the A-holes got us kicked out of the SWC into CUSA. Because of the A-holes, we are lucky to get into the Big East rather than the Big 12 where we belong.
The key is to hold the A-holes accountable. **** them and remember the good times that Penn State gave you.
Last edited by Digetydog; 11-08-2011 at 08:11 PM.
Great schools are bigger than football and sports in general.
This is a tragedy all the way around. Who would have ever thought this would be the way JoePa would exit PSU? Simply unreal.
BTW - SMU didn't pay for Dickerson's Trans Am. A Texas A&M booster bought it for him and then Dickerson stiffed him and went to SMU.
I could only get thru half of the grand jury report.I was horrified by what I read.This was completely covered up.How can those involved live with themselves.
What the hell is the ncaa gonna do.For god sakes they put schools on probabtion for kids getting free tats,and meals.
If true i'm sorry Penn State needs the death penalty.The university should also pay for all these now adults if they need professional help.
Everyone involved..how could they.The grad coach who didn't beat the hell out of Sandusky when he saw him raping a 10 yr old.Paterno,ad school pres everyone gone
If Paterno coaches Saturday the fans of Penn State need to take a stand and not show up at the game.
Being reported now that The Second Mile, the youth organization Sandusky was involved with were aware of allegations and investigations into misconduct in both 1998 and 2002 but made no move to limit his contact with children. Some pretty big names on their board or directors.
John R. Cappelletti - Retired PSU & NFL Football Player, Heisman Trophy Winner
R. R. M. Carpenter, III - Former Owner, Philadelphia Phillies
James E. Ford - Retired Vice President, Kmart
William A. Gettig - President, Gettig Technologies, Inc.
Jack Ham - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame
Franco Harris - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame
Lou Holtz - Retired Football Coach, Sportscaster, and Motivational Speaker
Dr. Bryce Jordan - Retired, Penn State University President
Willi Maier - President, Omni Plastics, Inc.
Matt Millen - ESPN Football Analyst
Arnold D. Palmer - President, Arnold Palmer Enterprises
Joseph V. Paterno - Head Football Coach, Penn State University
Andy Reid - Head Football Coach, Philadelphia Eagles
Dr. John Reidell - General Surgeon, Past Second Mile Board President
Cal Ripken, Jr. - Former ML Baseball Shortstop, President & CEO of Ripken Baseball, Inc.
Dominic Toscani - Owner & President, Paris Business Forms
Richard Vermeil - Retired NFL Head Coach, (Kansas City Chiefs, St. Louis Rams, Philadelphia Eagles)
Mark Wahlberg - Actor, Rapper, and Film & TV Producer
Verne Willaman - Retired Chairman and President, Ortho Pharmaceutical Corp.
Quentin Wood - Retired Chairman and CEO, Quaker State Oil Refining Corp.
Richard A. Zimmerman - Retired Chairman of the Board, Hershey Foods
Last edited by BushyTheBeaver; 11-08-2011 at 09:09 PM.
.Colorado scandal goes way beyond coach, football team
More rape allegations from Colorado. More possible dishonor. So much that
the university president is now holding hasty press conferences at bedtime,
announcing the football coach is being put on administrative leave, which is
death row with pay.
Gary Barnett is probably finished at Colorado. Probably should be. He is the
captain, and his ship's repute is turning into that of a love boat cesspool.
We now know there have been four women charging sexual misconduct
from Colorado football players the past four seasons. Barnett supposedly
responded to one by saying to the alleged victim he would back his player
"100%" if she proceeded with legal action.
We know now that when Katie Hnida, the former Buffaloes' place-kicker,
came forward this week in Sports Illustrated to say she was raped by a
teammate, Barnett used the occasion to assess her ability to make field
"She was awful."
We now know a local prosecutor suggested the Buffaloes have used alcohol
and sex to lure recruits. There are reports of hired strippers and paid
If true, Colorado football sounds like a Roman orgy. Who brought the togas?
And so crumbles the reputation of a man who once coached prim and proper
and doormat-for-decades Northwestern to the Rose Bowl. Whose first
recruiting class at Northwestern had a 100% graduation rate, all of them in
It is a shocking fall for Barnett, champion to pariah. If that's what the truth
turns out to be.
This is also a scandal that spotlights the worst assumptions about big time
college sports. Coddled athletes, deluded by fame and importance into
believing they can act however they wish. A culture and coach too busy
worrying about beating Nebraska and Oklahoma to be bothered with codes
of conduct. A program that becomes a burden more than a blessing for a
university, with every outrageous deed or foolish word.
Presumably, when the investigations are done, we will know what really
happened. How smutty this truly is. But one thing can be said now without
benefit of any final report.
The environment that leads to such grime is more complex than Gary
Barnett. Or his football team.
You want sex over-running sport? Look at the Super Bowl. Lewd, bawdy,
over the top.
And those were some of the commercials. Never mind the R-rated halftime
Television reflects society. Is that who we are?
You want the problem of conduct on campus? Look at Colorado. But not just
the guys in shoulder pads.
There is something called the Princeton Review— no relation to Princeton
University — which rates where the party animals go to college. Colorado is
ranked the No. 1 party school in America. No. 3 in widespread marijuana
use, No. 4 in use of hard liquor.
So maybe the Princeton Review judging method has more holes than a
tennis net. But another study found 63% of the students at Colorado engage
in binge drinking.
Colorado is a fine university. But it would seem to have some behavioral
issues that go well beyond Gary Barnett's roster. Those problems just don't
get televised press conferences.
Still, the current whiff of shame and disgrace leads directly to the football
program. Its credibility at the moment would not fit on a deck of cards.
"Everybody's job is in jeopardy," Colorado president Betsy Hoffman repeated
Fair enough. This is an ugly picture. But football is only part of the
landscape. Sounds as if there are other concerns worth the Colorado
administrators' attention, long after they drop the guillotine on Gary Barnett
Last edited by SONNY WERBLIN; 11-08-2011 at 09:25 PM.
1. There's a rumor, reports of an investigation, etc. - REACTION: People are kind of dismissive, don't think it's a big deal or it's a small isolated event or misunderstanding.
2. Then it starts to blow up, indictments, victims, people stepping down - REACTION: Here's where all of a sudden everyone seems guilty, the whole situation is corrupt and with loose facts the cloud of suspicion hangs over everyone. No one at PSU, down to the lunch lady, can be trusted.
3. Eventually the specifics emerge and facts are laid out - REACTION: People accept the devastation of the event but it is focused and those responsible are identified, others are cleared and the institution can begin to heal.
I think we're in the depths of #2 right now. Everyone is disgusted, the entire university has a black cloud over it even though 99.9% of people are decent, good people and not morally corrupt. Eventually, the cloud will disappear and the blame will lie squarely with those responsible. I hope this is what happens.
PSU is a fine institution but this situation is as bad or worse than any kind of NCAA punishment could be. When a school is sanctioned, loses scholarships or bowl eligibility it really affects the recruiting of athletes. But when a devastating accusation like this rolls up to administration it affects not just athlete recruitment but all prospective students. As kids get acceptance letters this Fall and Spring it may cause many to reconsider PSU and choose other schools. Human nature can't be ignored and 18 year-olds may not want to justify to friends and family their selection of PSU and being subjected to jokes and ridicule if they have a close, comparable second option to attend another school. Just some thoughts.
ANyone see the footage of the pep-rally at Paternos home?
The dude is smiling, laughing.....
This all is like a sick and twisted version of Watergate. I keep hearing that "All the President's Men" refrain in my head, re-applied: What did Paterno know and when did he know it?
Like Nixon, it's not about the crime, it's about the cover-up.
I just can't get my head around how JoePa could have protected this monster (if he protected him, which it seems he did).