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    And as a state school, it is only a matter of time before the politicans will have to take a position because of public pressure. Once that happens, Joe Pa, the university President and all officials involved will be toast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Being the victim of as crime is not justification for committing that same crime in our society. We do not allow victims of rape to rape someone else. We do not allow victims of assault to assault someone else. We do not allow survivors of a murder to murder someone else.

    Being the victom of sexual abuse is horrible, I assure you. I know far more about the damage it causes than I prefer. However, it does not give justification for becoming a sexual abuser yourself.

    The cycle is broken when a victim of abuse chooses to not continue the cycle and abuse another. Either through force of personal will, or via the various help, support or counciling services available.

    Well of course I wasn't suggesting that it was.

    There's a Simpson's episode where Marge develops a gambling problem. When she finally realizes it she says to Homer, "Maybe we should get counseling." Homer says, "No, that's too expensive. Just don't do it any more."

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    I'm a life-long Penn State football fan - my dad is a '62 grad, I grew up with it. I didn't know (or care) about graduation rates, team-first mentality or building solid citizens when I started cheering for PSU, I was only about 4 years old. As I grew up and came to learn about these things, it was an influence on my life - I realized that you can compete and succeed without taking the shortcuts, exploiting the loopholes,etc. In high school, in an era (mid-80's) when teams that didn't play within a hundred miles of a TV camera were putting TV numbers on their sleeves, names on their backs, and every other piece of individuality they could get away with, my HS team got plain white jerseys with just numbers front and back, no names, no stripes, nothing. I loved it. I convinced my teammates to love it. We didn't lose a game in those jerseys, started wearing them every week.

    And now it all means ****. If Penn State were cheating, giving cars and cash to recruits, putting boastful chest-thumping criminals out on the field, and graduating 3% of them, but stood up and helped even one of these kids, maybe got Sandusky the help he needs and/or the punishment he deserves and prevented dozens (if not more) from becoming victims, I'd have infinitely more respect for them than I do now.

    I feel duped, and dirty for ever cheering for these monsters, any of them that knew and did nothing. Or even did just the bare minimum, and sat by as this guy continued to walk the streets. You have a duty, as a human being, to do something. This is not a liquor store robbery - every day they waited, more lives were destroyed - hundreds every time it happened, when you think about the compounding nature of this particular evil, passed on to generations.

    I'm crushed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isired View Post
    I'm a life-long Penn State football fan - my dad is a '62 grad, I grew up with it. I didn't know (or care) about graduation rates, team-first mentality or building solid citizens when I started cheering for PSU, I was only about 4 years old. As I grew up and came to learn about these things, it was an influence on my life - I realized that you can compete and succeed without taking the shortcuts, exploiting the loopholes,etc. In high school, in an era (mid-80's) when teams that didn't play within a hundred miles of a TV camera were putting TV numbers on their sleeves, names on their backs, and every other piece of individuality they could get away with, my HS team got plain white jerseys with just numbers front and back, no names, no stripes, nothing. I loved it. I convinced my teammates to love it. We didn't lose a game in those jerseys, started wearing them every week.

    And now it all means ****. If Penn State were cheating, giving cars and cash to recruits, putting boastful chest-thumping criminals out on the field, and graduating 3% of them, but stood up and helped even one of these kids, maybe got Sandusky the help he needs and/or the punishment he deserves and prevented dozens (if not more) from becoming victims, I'd have infinitely more respect for them than I do now.

    I feel duped, and dirty for ever cheering for these monsters, any of them that knew and did nothing. Or even did just the bare minimum, and sat by as this guy continued to walk the streets. You have a duty, as a human being, to do something. This is not a liquor store robbery - every day they waited, more lives were destroyed - hundreds every time it happened, when you think about the compounding nature of this particular evil, passed on to generations.

    I'm crushed.
    I was a freshman at SMU when we got caught doing the things that led to the NCAA giving us the Death Penalty. Because our University's Chairman of the Board of Trustees thought it was "our moral obligation" to continue to make promised illegal payments to athletes (we were on probation for cheating when we got caught again), the "Homecoming Game" my Soph and Junior year was a F'ing soccer game. Houston put up 95 points against us my Senior year - in FOOTBALL.

    SMU is a Top 50 University in a major metropolitan area with a $1 Billion endowment and a presidential library under construction. Nevertheless, the team can't draw a crowd b/c our home games are against UCF and Memphis instead of Baylor and Texas b/c the actions of the A-holes got us kicked out of the SWC into CUSA. Because of the A-holes, we are lucky to get into the Big East rather than the Big 12 where we belong.

    The key is to hold the A-holes accountable. **** them and remember the good times that Penn State gave you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Digetydog View Post
    I was a freshman at SMU when we got caught doing the things that led to the NCAA giving us the Death Penalty. Because our University's Chairman of the Board of Trustees thought it was "our moral obligation" to continue to make promised illegal payments to athletes (we were on probation for cheating when we got caught again), the "Homecoming Game" my Soph and Junior year was a F'ing soccer game. Houston put up 95 points against us my Senior year - in FOOTBALL.

    SMU is a Top 50 University in a major metropolitan area with a $1 Billion endowment and a presidential library under construction. Nevertheless, the team can draw a crowd b/c our home games are against UCF and Memphis instead of Baylor and Texas b/c the actions of the A-holes got us kicked out of the SWC into CUSA. Because of the A-holes, we are lucky to get into the Big East rather than the Big 12 where we belong.

    The key is to hold the A-holes accountable. **** them and remember the good times that Penn State gave you.
    Here in NC there are a LOT of UNC alumni, including my daughter. When Butch Davis brought a scandal to the college, the sentiment was nearly unanimous of WE ARE UNC...we would rather be 0-11 than under suspicion.

    Great schools are bigger than football and sports in general.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    Here in NC there are a LOT of UNC alumni, including my daughter. When Butch Davis brought a scandal to the college, the sentiment was nearly unanimous of WE ARE UNC...we would rather be 0-11 than under suspicion.

    Great schools are bigger than football and sports in general.
    Tell that to the SEC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Digetydog View Post
    The key is to hold the A-holes accountable. **** them and remember the good times that Penn State gave you.
    Tough to do when the a-holes are the very identity of Penn State Football. Also a universe of difference between Erik Dickerson's Trans Am and Jerry Sandusky's unimaginable crimes, and not exposing those crimes.


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    This is a tragedy all the way around. Who would have ever thought this would be the way JoePa would exit PSU? Simply unreal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by isired View Post
    Tough to do when the a-holes are the very identity of Penn State Football. Also a universe of difference between Erik Dickerson's Trans Am and Jerry Sandusky's unimaginable crimes, and not exposing those crimes.


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    My point is not to let the a-holes ruin his love for his school. The sane people will rapidly oust the A-holes now that the truth is coming out. It won't be long now.


    BTW - SMU didn't pay for Dickerson's Trans Am. A Texas A&M booster bought it for him and then Dickerson stiffed him and went to SMU.

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    I could only get thru half of the grand jury report.I was horrified by what I read.This was completely covered up.How can those involved live with themselves.

    What the hell is the ncaa gonna do.For god sakes they put schools on probabtion for kids getting free tats,and meals.

    If true i'm sorry Penn State needs the death penalty.The university should also pay for all these now adults if they need professional help.

    Everyone involved..how could they.The grad coach who didn't beat the hell out of Sandusky when he saw him raping a 10 yr old.Paterno,ad school pres everyone gone

    If Paterno coaches Saturday the fans of Penn State need to take a stand and not show up at the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    Here in NC there are a LOT of UNC alumni, including my daughter. When Butch Davis brought a scandal to the college, the sentiment was nearly unanimous of WE ARE UNC...we would rather be 0-11 than under suspicion.

    Great schools are bigger than football and sports in general.
    juxtapose the PSU scandal with the BYU basketball player accepting the penalty for violating his pre-marital sex pledge and the "grown ups" at PSU can hardly measure up to one kid at BYU.

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    Quote Originally Posted by southparkcpa View Post
    Here in NC there are a LOT of UNC alumni, including my daughter. When Butch Davis brought a scandal to the college, the sentiment was nearly unanimous of WE ARE UNC...we would rather be 0-11 than under suspicion.

    Great schools are bigger than football and sports in general.
    Every big time winning school cheats, what PSU has let itself turn into can not be compared to anything that I can recall. Not even close. Dean Smith cheated but he never covered up crimes. BIG F'N difference.

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    Being reported now that The Second Mile, the youth organization Sandusky was involved with were aware of allegations and investigations into misconduct in both 1998 and 2002 but made no move to limit his contact with children. Some pretty big names on their board or directors.


    http://deadspin.com/5857693/youth-or...uth-until-2008


    John R. Cappelletti - Retired PSU & NFL Football Player, Heisman Trophy Winner

    R. R. M. Carpenter, III - Former Owner, Philadelphia Phillies

    James E. Ford - Retired Vice President, Kmart

    William A. Gettig - President, Gettig Technologies, Inc.

    Jack Ham - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame

    Franco Harris - Retired NFL Player, Pittsburgh Steelers, Hall of Fame

    Lou Holtz - Retired Football Coach, Sportscaster, and Motivational Speaker

    Dr. Bryce Jordan - Retired, Penn State University President

    Willi Maier - President, Omni Plastics, Inc.

    Matt Millen - ESPN Football Analyst

    Arnold D. Palmer - President, Arnold Palmer Enterprises

    Joseph V. Paterno - Head Football Coach, Penn State University

    Andy Reid - Head Football Coach, Philadelphia Eagles

    Dr. John Reidell - General Surgeon, Past Second Mile Board President

    Cal Ripken, Jr. - Former ML Baseball Shortstop, President & CEO of Ripken Baseball, Inc.

    Dominic Toscani - Owner & President, Paris Business Forms

    Richard Vermeil - Retired NFL Head Coach, (Kansas City Chiefs, St. Louis Rams, Philadelphia Eagles)

    Mark Wahlberg - Actor, Rapper, and Film & TV Producer

    Verne Willaman - Retired Chairman and President, Ortho Pharmaceutical Corp.

    Quentin Wood - Retired Chairman and CEO, Quaker State Oil Refining Corp.

    Richard A. Zimmerman - Retired Chairman of the Board, Hershey Foods
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    Quote Originally Posted by cr726 View Post
    Every big time winning school cheats, what PSU has let itself turn into can not be compared
    to anything that I can recall. Not even close. Dean Smith cheated but he never covered up crimes.
    BIG F'N difference.
    This came to mind as somewhat comparable on the "covering" for crimes
    front.

    Colorado scandal goes way beyond coach, football team
    More rape allegations from Colorado. More possible dishonor. So much that
    the university president is now holding hasty press conferences at bedtime,
    announcing the football coach is being put on administrative leave, which is
    death row with pay.

    Gary Barnett is probably finished at Colorado. Probably should be. He is the
    captain, and his ship's repute is turning into that of a love boat cesspool.

    We now know there have been four women charging sexual misconduct
    from Colorado football players the past four seasons. Barnett supposedly
    responded to one by saying to the alleged victim he would back his player
    "100%" if she proceeded with legal action.

    We know now that when Katie Hnida, the former Buffaloes' place-kicker,
    came forward this week in Sports Illustrated to say she was raped by a
    teammate, Barnett used the occasion to assess her ability to make field
    goals.

    "She was awful."

    We now know a local prosecutor suggested the Buffaloes have used alcohol
    and sex to lure recruits. There are reports of hired strippers and paid
    escorts.

    If true, Colorado football sounds like a Roman orgy. Who brought the togas?

    And so crumbles the reputation of a man who once coached prim and proper
    and doormat-for-decades Northwestern to the Rose Bowl. Whose first
    recruiting class at Northwestern had a 100% graduation rate, all of them in
    four years.

    It is a shocking fall for Barnett, champion to pariah. If that's what the truth
    turns out to be.

    This is also a scandal that spotlights the worst assumptions about big time
    college sports. Coddled athletes, deluded by fame and importance into
    believing they can act however they wish. A culture and coach too busy
    worrying about beating Nebraska and Oklahoma to be bothered with codes
    of conduct. A program that becomes a burden more than a blessing for a
    university, with every outrageous deed or foolish word.

    Presumably, when the investigations are done, we will know what really
    happened. How smutty this truly is. But one thing can be said now without
    benefit of any final report.

    The environment that leads to such grime is more complex than Gary
    Barnett. Or his football team.

    You want sex over-running sport? Look at the Super Bowl. Lewd, bawdy,
    over the top.

    And those were some of the commercials. Never mind the R-rated halftime
    show.

    Television reflects society. Is that who we are?

    You want the problem of conduct on campus? Look at Colorado. But not just
    the guys in shoulder pads.

    There is something called the Princeton Review— no relation to Princeton
    University — which rates where the party animals go to college. Colorado is
    ranked the No. 1 party school in America. No. 3 in widespread marijuana
    use, No. 4 in use of hard liquor.

    So maybe the Princeton Review judging method has more holes than a
    tennis net. But another study found 63% of the students at Colorado engage
    in binge drinking.

    Colorado is a fine university. But it would seem to have some behavioral
    issues that go well beyond Gary Barnett's roster. Those problems just don't
    get televised press conferences.

    Still, the current whiff of shame and disgrace leads directly to the football
    program. Its credibility at the moment would not fit on a deck of cards.
    "Everybody's job is in jeopardy," Colorado president Betsy Hoffman repeated
    Wednesday night.

    Fair enough. This is an ugly picture. But football is only part of the
    landscape. Sounds as if there are other concerns worth the Colorado
    administrators' attention, long after they drop the guillotine on Gary Barnett
    .

    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/colum...colorado_x.htm
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    Quote Originally Posted by isired View Post
    I'm a life-long Penn State football fan - my dad is a '62 grad, I grew up with it. I didn't know (or care) about graduation rates, team-first mentality or building solid citizens when I started cheering for PSU, I was only about 4 years old. As I grew up and came to learn about these things, it was an influence on my life - I realized that you can compete and succeed without taking the shortcuts, exploiting the loopholes,etc. In high school, in an era (mid-80's) when teams that didn't play within a hundred miles of a TV camera were putting TV numbers on their sleeves, names on their backs, and every other piece of individuality they could get away with, my HS team got plain white jerseys with just numbers front and back, no names, no stripes, nothing. I loved it. I convinced my teammates to love it. We didn't lose a game in those jerseys, started wearing them every week.

    And now it all means ****. If Penn State were cheating, giving cars and cash to recruits, putting boastful chest-thumping criminals out on the field, and graduating 3% of them, but stood up and helped even one of these kids, maybe got Sandusky the help he needs and/or the punishment he deserves and prevented dozens (if not more) from becoming victims, I'd have infinitely more respect for them than I do now.

    I feel duped, and dirty for ever cheering for these monsters, any of them that knew and did nothing. Or even did just the bare minimum, and sat by as this guy continued to walk the streets. You have a duty, as a human being, to do something. This is not a liquor store robbery - every day they waited, more lives were destroyed - hundreds every time it happened, when you think about the compounding nature of this particular evil, passed on to generations.

    I'm crushed.
    Hang in there, man. I'm hoping this now is the low point and the depths to which this story goes. Typically....sometimes...these events go as follows:

    1. There's a rumor, reports of an investigation, etc. - REACTION: People are kind of dismissive, don't think it's a big deal or it's a small isolated event or misunderstanding.

    2. Then it starts to blow up, indictments, victims, people stepping down - REACTION: Here's where all of a sudden everyone seems guilty, the whole situation is corrupt and with loose facts the cloud of suspicion hangs over everyone. No one at PSU, down to the lunch lady, can be trusted.

    3. Eventually the specifics emerge and facts are laid out - REACTION: People accept the devastation of the event but it is focused and those responsible are identified, others are cleared and the institution can begin to heal.

    I think we're in the depths of #2 right now. Everyone is disgusted, the entire university has a black cloud over it even though 99.9% of people are decent, good people and not morally corrupt. Eventually, the cloud will disappear and the blame will lie squarely with those responsible. I hope this is what happens.

    PSU is a fine institution but this situation is as bad or worse than any kind of NCAA punishment could be. When a school is sanctioned, loses scholarships or bowl eligibility it really affects the recruiting of athletes. But when a devastating accusation like this rolls up to administration it affects not just athlete recruitment but all prospective students. As kids get acceptance letters this Fall and Spring it may cause many to reconsider PSU and choose other schools. Human nature can't be ignored and 18 year-olds may not want to justify to friends and family their selection of PSU and being subjected to jokes and ridicule if they have a close, comparable second option to attend another school. Just some thoughts.

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    ANyone see the footage of the pep-rally at Paternos home?


    The dude is smiling, laughing.....




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    Quote Originally Posted by 32green View Post
    ANyone see the footage of the pep-rally at Paternos home?


    The dude is smiling, laughing.....




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    Pep rally?

    I was hoping there'd be a protest, with "JOE MUST GO!" signs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bonhomme Richard View Post
    Pep rally?

    I was hoping there'd be a protest, with "JOE MUST GO!" signs.
    Nope. Hundreds of College kids...Pep Rally.

    Looked pretty choreographed..... and Paterno's son was kind of ushering him along.

    They dont get it. Its over...but they dont....get it.


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    This all is like a sick and twisted version of Watergate. I keep hearing that "All the President's Men" refrain in my head, re-applied: What did Paterno know and when did he know it?

    Like Nixon, it's not about the crime, it's about the cover-up.

    I just can't get my head around how JoePa could have protected this monster (if he protected him, which it seems he did).

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32green View Post
    Nope. Hundreds of College kids...Pep Rally.

    Looked pretty choreographed..... and Paterno's son was kind of ushering him along.

    They dont get it. Its over...but they dont....get it.

    Stupid kids....now there is a perfect example of blind homerism.
    He can't survive this, there is just no way he will.

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