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    Quote Originally Posted by crossfire View Post
    I heard that the penalties are so harsh and unprecedented that the death penalty would have been preferable. Not sure what they are but it doesn't sound good for Penn State.

    Glad they took down the statue of Paterno.
    Unless they start pulling scholarships from other sports, I do not see what could be worse than the "death penalty". Although the football program probably picked up the financial slack for a lot of those other sports.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    Its a shame b.c there is going to be a ton of collateral damage. I think everyone who was part of the athletic dept and board of trustees should be fired but to punish the current players is unfair. Not to mention the economic impact it will have on the university and the surrounding community.
    +1

    Here's a good article.

    http://www.mrsec.com/2012/07/the-nca...-penn-stateui/

    NCAA president Mark Emmert is about to walk down a very slippery slope.

    The news that the NCAA will announce sanctions against Penn State’s football program for criminal behavior carried out years ago by men who are no longer in power at the university is a colossal blunder that college sports’ governing body will someday come to regret.

    According to reports,the sanctions to be handed down Monday will likely be more damaging than even a one year death penalty would have been.

    Crowds of Americans will cheer because we all love punishment.

    But this is 100% the wrong move by a governing body that so often makes the wrong move.

    Emmert and the NCAA know that PSU is being annihilated in the court of public opinion. Don’t think that the NCAA’s decision to pile on Penn State doesn’t have something to do with a feeling that the body can actually make people applaud it for once. Quite simply, they’ve read the poll numbers and decided to do what everyone wants — punish somebody. Anybody. Even coaches, athletic staff and players who had absolutely nothing to do with the Jerry Sandusky situation.

    (Sidenote — Anyone else find it odd that we as a people always want some other person punished for their misdeeds, but when we ourselves err, we beg for forgiveness? What a flawed beast we are.)

    In addition to penalizing the innocent, the NCAA is also penalizing those who have already been penalized. Think Penn State grads like having their diplomas on the wall today? Think the school, the administration and the faculty haven’t been shamed already? Think donations and applications haven’t been impacted? Think the football program — which is going through its first coaching change since 1966 — isn’t finding work harder on the recruiting trail?

    What more punishment is needed? Joe Paterno is dead. Sandusky will die in prison. Others in PSU’s administration have lost their jobs, been vilified in the press, and may find themselves subject to legal prosecution. Hell, all that’s left is to burn the campus down because bad things happened there at one time.

    Making matters worse, the NCAA is apparently nixing its usual methods for punishing schools. There will be no letter of allegations in this case. There will be no waiting period for Penn State to prepare a defense. Penn State won’t even be allowed a defense. The NCAA is expected to act without due process. They are taking the Freeh Report as gospel and will use it as their “witch’s hammer.”

    Well, that’s smart. A rush to judgement is always a good thing. Especially in cases like this that will impact hundreds of lives for years to come. Anyone else out there realize that if another legal team had been given the exact same records from Penn State they might have come to completely different conclusions than Louis Freeh and his team?

    But here’s how the NCAA is putting itself in a precarious position. Emmert and crew are going to penalize a school for criminal/moral failings. Sounds good. Until you ask where that line gets drawn.
    A former NCAA committee on infractions chairperson told ESPN:

    “This is unique and this kind of power has never been tested or tried. It’s unprecedented to have this extensive power. This has nothing to do with the purpose of the infractions process. Nevertheless, somehow (the NCAA president and executive board) have taken it on themselves to be a commissioner and to penalize a school for improper conduct…

    But this has nothing to do with NCAA business. This is new. If they’re going to deal with situations of this kind that have nothing to do with the games of who plays and so on and rather deal with members of the athletic department who act immorally or criminally then it opens up the door to other cases…

    The criminal courts are perfectly capable of handling these situations. This is a new phase and a new thing. They are getting into bad behavior that are somehow connected to those who work in the athletic department.”

    What if Sandusky had been running a Ponzi scheme out of his Penn State office of years, for example? Let’s say he’d bilked thousands of people out of millions of dollars. Ruined countless lives in the process. Now let’s suppose Penn State officials had known/suspected what was up and looked the other way. Would the NCAA rush in to smash the football program?

    Now let’s bring it a little closer to home. Let’s say your alma mater or favorite football or basketball program had an assistant coach on staff who battered women. Folks in the athletic office knew about it. They’ve heard rumors that the women in the coach’s life often carried bruises and cuts. But the school didn’t act until a woman was hospitalized. Should the NCAA come in and punish your favorite program?

    What if a woman were killed?

    What if your school kept covering up for a serial drunk-driving coach until the day he ran someone down?

    Where is the line to be drawn? And do you trust the people in the NCAA office to be the ones drawing it?

    I know that many people will view this post as a defense of Penn State. It’s not. If you claim that’s what it is then you either a) didn’t read this piece in full or b) you wanted to change the facts to suit your own argument.

    In this writer’s view — put simply — PSU has already gotten what it deserved… a terrible stain on its reputation. How many times can the same people be burned at the stake?

    Some of you may like that the NCAA is blasting Penn State’s program. But if the NCAA were about to crush your favorite program for the exact same acts, here’s betting the vast, vast majority of you would be saying that the problem isn’t a sports issue but a legal one and that the NCAA shouldn’t be getting involved.

    Again, when someone else screws up, we want blood. When we ourselves screw up, we want mercy.

    In this case, Penn State screwed up. And the NCAA’s going to give us blood. But what about the next time a school has criminal or immoral behavior on its campus? Will the NCAA get involved? And will you be in favor of it?

    This is as dumb a move as could possibly be made. It will come back to bite the NCAA squarely in its rear in the future. In fact, this one action may well become Emmert’s legacy. That’s how big, unusual, and reactionary this move is.

    God help them.

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    Rumored sanctions.


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    That wipes Paterno off the top of the Division 1 Football wins list if true.

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    Penalties announced officially

    The NCAA announced a $60 million fine today against Penn State University as part of the fallout from the child sex abuse scandal involving former coach Jerry Sandusky. The university also is banned from bowl games for four years.

    The NCAA also vacated all of Penn State's football wins from 1998 to 2011, stripping the late Joe Paterno of the title of winningest coach in major college football history.
    I'm as angry at PSU as anyone in the general public (well most), but I really don't understand the majority of these penalties. Fining the school $60 million? What is the point of that?

    And how is stripping PSU of its wins in any way related to what happened? As disgusting as this whole scandal is, its not like it was an on the field issue. The Administation and Staff deserved to be fired, I have no problem with removing the statue, but PSU's on field performances are what they are - its not like the players were not eligible.
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    Paterno (& Penn State) loses 111 wins effectively eliminating him from the top of the record books.

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    ASS**** OF THE DAY ALERT!!!

    Check out the tweet from this a-hole from the NFL Network.

    Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

    Congratulations to the 2005 and 2008 Ohio State Buckeyes ... Now OUTRIGHT Big 10 champions.

    Albert Breer
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    Reporter, NFL Network. Alum of The Ohio State University and Lincoln-Sudbury R.H.S. Former Patriots (2005-07), Cowboys (2007-08) beat guy, too.

    Boston, MA · http://www.nfl.com/

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    The vacating of wins is nonsense. I understand what they are trying to do but are we supposed to assume Penn State won those games b.c Paterno covered up something that had nothing to do with football therefore they shouldn't count?

    NCAA is just flexing its muscles. They don't really give a **** about the victims. I would hope the money from the fine is in some way used to help victims of sexual abuse or help give scholarships to people in need.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossfire View Post
    ASS**** OF THE DAY ALERT!!!

    Check out the tweet from this a-hole from the NFL Network.

    Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

    Congratulations to the 2005 and 2008 Ohio State Buckeyes ... Now OUTRIGHT Big 10 champions.

    Albert Breer
    @AlbertBreer

    Reporter, NFL Network. Alum of The Ohio State University and Lincoln-Sudbury R.H.S. Former Patriots (2005-07), Cowboys (2007-08) beat guy, too.

    Boston, MA · http://www.nfl.com/
    What a doosh. I always thought that guy was a JO. Now it is confirmed.

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    This now makes Bobby Bowden the winningest coach of all time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossfire View Post
    That wipes Paterno off the top of the Division 1 Football wins list if true.

    Good call on that one.

    Quote Originally Posted by crossfire View Post
    ASS**** OF THE DAY ALERT!!!

    Check out the tweet from this a-hole from the NFL Network.

    Albert Breer ‏@AlbertBreer

    Congratulations to the 2005 and 2008 Ohio State Buckeyes ... Now OUTRIGHT Big 10 champions.

    Albert Breer
    @AlbertBreer

    Reporter, NFL Network. Alum of The Ohio State University and Lincoln-Sudbury R.H.S. Former Patriots (2005-07), Cowboys (2007-08) beat guy, too.

    Boston, MA · http://www.nfl.com/

    So stupid, default titles....really?


    Also who gets the 60 million? THe NCAA? Or the victims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fishooked View Post
    Also who gets the 60 million? THe NCAA? Or the victims?
    "The NCAA said the $60 million was equivalent to the average annual revenue of the football program. The NCAA ordered Penn State to pay the penalty funds into an endowment for "external programs preventing child sexual abuse or assisting victims and may not be used to fund such programs at the university.""

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    Money goes to organizations that help children in these terrible situations.

    So are the current players allowed to transfer without sitting out? I hope so. They literally did nothing wrong besides commit to Penn State.

    By the way, this is baaaaad. They arent going to recruit a decent player for 3 years. Bill O'Brien should have been leery of sanctions when taking the job.

    If you really want to gut them, you take away the option for a national TV appearance for a few years.

    EDIT: Kids can leave scott free. Mass exodus coming. Imagine owning a business in that town over the next 4 years.
    Last edited by Bay Ridge Jet; 07-23-2012 at 09:55 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bay Ridge Jet View Post
    Money goes to organizations that help children in these terrible situations.
    I am happy to hear this. At least something good can come from this.

    I think the current players are getting fair treatment. They can stay at PSU and keep their scholarships or transfer immediately and be eligible immediately.
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    The rule regarding this is stated below but from what I understand, the NCAA is going to work with all of the players to expedite their transfers if they want with no penalty and I heard even allow other teams extra scholarships to accommodate them.


    "Under NCAA rules covering postseason bans, players are allowed to transfer without sitting out a season as long as their remaining eligibility is shorter than or equal to the length of the ban. Only seniors could transfer and play immediately under a one-year ban, but a two-year ban would mean seniors and juniors could both transfer without penalty."

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossfire View Post
    The rule regarding this is stated below but from what I understand, the NCAA is going to work with all of the players to expedite their transfers if they want with no penalty and I heard even allow other teams extra scholarships to accommodate them.


    "Under NCAA rules covering postseason bans, players are allowed to transfer without sitting out a season as long as their remaining eligibility is shorter than or equal to the length of the ban. Only seniors could transfer and play immediately under a one-year ban, but a two-year ban would mean seniors and juniors could both transfer without penalty."
    Its 4 years though so they can all leave is what Im assuming here.

    They got a couple of ALL Americans in this class who I imagine will have a lot of phone calls and texts today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bay Ridge Jet View Post
    Its 4 years though so they can all leave is what Im assuming here.

    They got a couple of ALL Americans in this class who I imagine will have a lot of phone calls and texts today.
    They can all leave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crasherino View Post
    Penalties announced officially



    I'm as angry at PSU as anyone in the general public (well most), but I really don't understand the majority of these penalties. Fining the school $60 million? What is the point of that?

    And how is stripping PSU of its wins in any way related to what happened? As disgusting as this whole scandal is, its not like it was an on the field issue. The Administation and Staff deserved to be fired, I have no problem with removing the statue, but PSU's on field performances are what they are - its not like the players were not eligible.
    +1

    I firmly believe that the NCAA is overstepping their bounds in terms of stripping the victories and sanctioning the football program in this manner.

    This had nothing to do with football.

    I think ANY sanctions against the football program is completely out of line.

    The money going to child abuse type programs is great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDNYjets View Post
    The vacating of wins is nonsense. I understand what they are trying to do but are we supposed to assume Penn State won those games b.c Paterno covered up something that had nothing to do with football therefore they shouldn't count?

    NCAA is just flexing its muscles.
    I agree.

    They are doing something so it can never be said they didn't "do something", and crushing teh school because the people involved (Sandusky, in prison, Paterno, dead, the School Admin, soon to be in prison) can't really be hit on an NCAA level.

    Honestly, I see this tragedy as a criminal issue, not a civil/NCAA issue per se. Those who did not speak up when they knew are accoutable for that.

    What I would have done:

    1. The Fine, doubled, $120 million. Really kick the School at the Admin level.
    2. Joe Paterno retroactively and for life banned from the NCAA and all his records striken. HIS, not the teams.
    3. Lifetime Ban against all individuals guilty of knowledge and non-action from NCAA sanctioned sporting employement.
    4. Ten Year Ban on New Scholorships for Penn State for All Sports. All existing scholorships to be converted to educational (nonathletic) scholorships.
    5. Free (no Penalty) Transfer to all existing Penn State Athletes. These kids committed no crimes.
    6. Mandate that for 50 years, Penn State must offer ten scholorships to (documented) victims of sexual abuse each year or something similar.

    I think this would have been more appropriate for teh crimes by the University as an organization.

    They don't really give a **** about the victims. I would hope the money from the fine is in some way used to help victims of sexual abuse or help give scholarships to people in need.
    I don't agree here. They care, like most humans do, that these horrific acts occured and I believe them when they say they never want to see it happen again. No reason not to believe it.

    And the 60 million is dedicated to outside agency assitence for the sexually abused, so yes, the money will do good.

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