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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    You know who just died?
    Morey Khadaffi?

    He vas eh SCHMUCK!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32green View Post
    Dude.

    No way he didnt know, and I would have no problem if he was thrown in jail tonight, and died there.

    There's prolly 20 people in that program that had to know, and deserve to rot in jail cells for their complicity (yes, their silence and betrayal of those kids.... is complicity).
    Innocent, until proven guilty.

    It's easy to keep secrets from loved ones, much less co-workers.

    He might have known, and if he did, he should rot.

    Still, innocent till proven otherwsie is still a good view to take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warfish View Post
    Innocent, until proven guilty.

    It's easy to keep secrets from loved ones, much less co-workers.

    He might have known, and if he did, he should rot.

    Still, innocent till proven otherwsie is still a good view to take.
    Absolutely.

    But, I'm not speaking as a juror, an atty or a judge.

    I'm speaking as a father and one who has had dealings with this type of predator.

    Reading between the lines here, Paterno knew.

    If I was sitting on a jury, I'd erase the board and start from scratch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32green View Post
    You should have had this moment when Belichick was found to be a fraud.

    However...I think Morey Amsterdam wasnt corrupt. Rose Marie too...possibly.

    But they croaked.

    So yes.


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    Rose Marie is still alive I believe, I saw a photo of her ten years ago and
    gasped.

    Interesting tidbit, she frequented gay bars with Paul Lynde.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Timmy® View Post
    Rose Marie is still alive I believe, I saw a photo of her ten years ago and
    gasped.

    Interesting tidbit, she frequented gay bars with Paul Lynde.
    Paul Lynde was gay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FF2® View Post
    Paul Lynde was gay?
    He was the "center" square.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phoenixx View Post






    Hopefully he will eat a rifle barrel soon...
    I saw this today.

    Irony.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Star Lady View Post
    He was the "center" square.
    Was the center square was bleached?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossfire View Post
    Was the center square was bleached?
    eeewwww

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    Quote Originally Posted by 32green View Post
    Absolutely.

    But, I'm not speaking as a juror, an atty or a judge.

    I'm speaking as a father and one who has had dealings with this type of predator.

    Reading between the lines here, Paterno knew.

    If I was sitting on a jury, I'd erase the board and start from scratch.
    Thats fair.

    And it certainly sounds bad for all involved, no doubt.

    I've just seen too many times the media (and prosecutors) overstate and overreach. Duke Lacrosse, for example.

    In any event, whomever abused kids should be tarred, feathered and burned at the stake. After they are found guilty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossfire View Post
    The graduate assistant who reported it... there is your decent person.
    Why? What did he do that's decent? Report the issue to Paterno (in what terms we don't know)? Who then reported it to the AD? How come he didn't follow up with police? He was the eye witness. In fact, why didn't he go to the police in the first place? Incidentally, he is now the PSU wide receivers coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushyTheBeaver View Post
    Why? What did he do that's decent? Report the issue to Paterno (in what terms we don't know)? Who then reported it to the AD? How come he didn't follow up with police? He was the eye witness. In fact, why didn't he go to the police in the first place? Incidentally, he is now the PSU wide receivers coach.
    Agreed. Go directly to police, do not pass 'Go' and collect $200, or in this case keep your mouth shut for years after bringing it to the attention of "school officials" and gaining a position on the staff. Just go to the cops/DA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushyTheBeaver View Post
    Why? What did he do that's decent? Report the issue to Paterno (in what terms we don't know)? Who then reported it to the AD? How come he didn't follow up with police? He was the eye witness. In fact, why didn't he go to the police in the first place? Incidentally, he is now the PSU wide receivers coach.
    I haven't read further about him beyond the initial report. I'll have to look into it. But if what you are saying is true, it sounds like he was basically bought off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossfire View Post
    I haven't read further about him beyond the initial report. I'll have to look into it. But if what you are saying is true, it sounds like he was basically bought off.
    And that's been suggested, apparently. Granted...he was already a graduate assistant in the program. That's why he was there in the locker room late at night in the first place...he'd gone in to watch film and heard noises in the shower (according to the grand jury testimony). So he had aspirations to join the staff. But man it sure doesn't smell right.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crossfire View Post
    The graduate assistant who reported it... there is your decent person.
    No one escapes this one looking good. Not even this kid. He sees Sandusky raping a child in the showers and does nothing to help the kid?!! WTF! Who sees a child rape and leaves to report it the next day.

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    Jason Whitlock hit the nail on the head.

    We worship corporations and institutions. Our Supreme Court granted them First Amendment rights. The Fourth Estate, the alleged watchdogs of democracy, acts as their mouthpiece.

    There should be no surprise that protecting Joe Paterno, Penn State, Happy Valley and Linebacker U — profit-generating institutions at the core of big-time college athletics’ amateur myth — appears to have taken precedence over the protection of children.

    It’s the era we live in. Institutions are valued more than human beings.

    Safeguarding JoePa, marketing and exploiting his march to victory 409, appears to have been more important than exposing allegations against longtime defensive coordinator Jerry Sandusky, charged with sexually abusing teenage boys.

    Let’s not ignore the timing of the release of the grotesque and shocking grand jury report/indictments, conveniently revealed a week after Paterno surpassed Grambling’s Eddie Robinson on the all-time wins list. A two-year investigation wrapped up just as JoePa placed a bow on his legacy and 11 months after Paterno testified in front of the grand jury examining Sandusky’s alleged two decades of heinous perversion.

    Coincidence? Not in my eyes.

    No one involved in the tragic handling of the allegations against Sandusky is worthy of sympathy and benefit of doubt without first answering some very direct and serious questions.

    Not Paterno. Not Mike McQueary, the graduate assistant-turned-recruiting coordinator who reportedly witnessed Sandusky rape a young boy in the Penn State locker room in 2002. Not Tim Curley and Gary Schultz, the former Penn State administrators accused of covering up the 2002 rape. Not Penn State president Graham Spanier. And not anyone involved in the rug-swept 1998 investigation into allegations of sexually criminal behavior against Sandusky that might have played some role in Sandusky’s abrupt 1999 retirement and self-admitted realization he’d never be Paterno’s successor.

    Until questions are answered thoroughly and forthrightly, all of these people, including the people rationalizing Paterno’s weak actions upon hearing about the 2002 incident, are guilty of valuing the JoePa myth more than the reality of the vulnerability and preciousness of human life.

    Four hundred and nine victories at what cost?

    If there is an ounce of dignity left in Paterno’s vain and delusional 84-year-old body, he will step down from his throne today. His written excuse is preposterous.

    “If true, the nature and amount of charges made are very shocking to me and all Penn Staters,” Paterno said in a statement. “While I did what I was supposed to with the one charge brought to my attention, like anyone else involved I can’t help but be deeply saddened these matters are alleged to have occurred. . . . If this is true, we were fooled, along with scores of professionals trained in such things, and we grieve for the victims and their families. They are in our prayers.

    “As my grand jury testimony stated, I was informed in 2002 by an assistant coach that he had witnessed an incident in the shower of our locker room facility. It was obvious that the witness was distraught over what he saw, but he at no time related to me the very specific actions contained in the Grand Jury report. Regardless, it was clear that the witness saw something inappropriate involving Mr. Sandusky. As Coach Sandusky was retired from our coaching staff at that time, I referred the matter to university administrators.”

    At age 75, Paterno sought plausible deniability from the allegations of criminal behavior inside the Penn State locker room of his 30-year employee. Rather than immediately demand that Sandusky appear and explain himself, the world-famous molder of men passed the responsibility along to the athletic director, who has far less real power than Paterno. Paterno could have done a helluva lot more. Rather than call the police, Paterno seemingly gathered as little information as possible and slipped back into his JoePa facade.

    Witnessing this cowardice and hypocrisy, it appears, made Mike McQueary want to be a Joe Paterno assistant coach for the next decade. I don’t understand McQueary, a former Penn State quarterback, at all. He allegedly saw a naked old man raping a naked young boy, and McQueary ran out of the locker room. He took no action to protect the boy? McQueary is at least 30 years younger than Sandusky. Coaching is supposed to be about helping young people develop.

    But money and fame have perverted the profession. It’s now an occupation to pleasure vanity. Joe Paterno should’ve retired 20 years ago. His ego wouldn’t allow it. Dean Smith, the far more self-aware basketball version of Paterno, retired at age 66. But coach Smith owned the Division I record for victories when he retired. North Carolina didn’t need to prop him up for a decade so he could surpass Adolph Rupp.

    There should be an asterisk next to JoePa’s 409 victories. And if not an asterisk, at least a dollar sign, America’s favorite religious symbol, our justification for valuing institutions more than human beings.
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    Robbing children of their innocence..if true this guy needs to be beaten to death

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    Quote Originally Posted by IHATEDOLPHINS View Post
    Robbing children of their innocence..if true this guy needs to be beaten to death
    Read the Grand Jury presentation on line and you will think everyone associated with this should be flogged. It's sickening to think this was not dealt with seriously and immediately years ago. JoePa's legacy was certainly placed above the welfare of Sandusky's victims. While I'm never for jumping the gun on whether someone is guilty of criminal charges, the number of victims, explicit nature of what was seen and known by PSU employees - even janitorial staff - is revolting. If my kid had committed to PSU or was even an underclassman there this season, he would not be attending PSU next year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SONNY WERBLIN View Post
    Read the Grand Jury presentation on line and you will think everyone associated with this should be flogged. It's sickening to think this was not dealt with seriously and immediately years ago. JoePa's legacy was certainly placed above the welfare of Sandusky's victims. While I'm never for jumping the gun on whether someone is guilty of criminal charges, the number of victims, explicit nature of what was seen and known by PSU employees - even janitorial staff - is revolting.
    +1

    At least 10 dudes maybe 20...should be in jail.

    Starting with JoePa. Dont care how old he is.

    He was the Sherrif in that wacky little town.

    F him.

    I'm sorry.

    There's dozens of hollow-eyed, soul-less men walking around that will never have a normal emotion again....they might as well be dead. Better off, even.

    And it could have been prevented.

    F Paterno, F Penn State.

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    Here's what seems f-ed up to me about society's reaction towards child sexual abuse. If I understand correctly, most or close to all molesters were themselves victims of abuse. It's what turned them into abusers. So it's like this self-perpetuating system.

    Except that in some ways we (meaning everyone else) are just as much a part of it. Because we loathe the abusers while expressing sympathy for the abused. Who in ten or fifteen years will turn into abusers and then we'll turn around and loathe them. Odds are that Sandusky himself was sexually abused as a child. He gets no understanding, only hatred. And the kids that he abused, that we claim we're so concerned for, in ten years if they commit an act they'll get the same lack of understanding from society, the same loathing and hatred. We'll scream to lock them up and throw away the key.

    Where is somebody stepping in to break the cycle? Where are we recognizing our own hypocrisy and how we help perpetuate the cycle by giving free reign to our disgust as opposed to the much harder and unpleasant task of trying to understand what is going on and deal with the the root causes?

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