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    Saftey

    Did we get rid of Sherry Rhodes too soon? I mean before we had a good replacement? I think he would be good against teams like NE, where he doesn't have to tackle. I'm not sad that he is gone. I just think we took a big step back by getting rid of him without replacing him. I could be wrong... what are your thoughts?

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    Kerry Rhodes went insane almost over night.

    Great young, pro bowl caliber player to soft lousy primaddona. We need a type of safety that is like what Rhodes used to be like.

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    [QUOTE=Beerfish;4234025]Kerry Rhodes went insane almost over night.

    Great young, pro bowl caliber player to soft lousy primaddona. We need a type of safety that is like what Rhodes used to be like.[/QUOTE]

    Bingo. Although I think Kerry Rhodes was never as good as people made him out to be. He parlayed one excellent game against the Patriots into a contract extension and then went Hollywood.

    Not sure if any of them are going into the draft but I would take any safety from LSU, Alabama or Florida State. Those teams all have amazing big athletic safeties.

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    Losing Brodney Pool hurt in the Pats game.

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    I've said it on another thread and I'll say it here. Safety should be our number 1 priority going into the draft. Sure we need a Wayne Hunter replacement and we still need a pass rush but not having a legit cover safety has killed us multiple times this season. We have 2 safetys now who are exactly the same, good tacklers, terrible in coverage.

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    Can't deny his physical skill set though. Tall, rangy safety who was good in coverage and had some ball hawk tendencies. I honestly would rather have a duo of Rhodes/Leonhard out there. I agree his attitude began to suck when he went Hollywood and he wasn't a strong tackler but look at what we have now. Eric Smith is a great tackler but all that does is keep opposing TE's from scoring 6 TDs a game. He HAS to be able to tackle because ANYBODY can torch him in coverage. I honestly think our blitzes could be more effective with a Rhodes type player out there - all opposing QBs need to do is make the quick read to where #33 is and throw to the guy with 3-yards of separation on him.

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    [QUOTE=bman;4234042]Losing Brodney Pool hurt in the Pats game.[/QUOTE]

    It did hurt but Pool isn't the answer. There is not a safety in the league that can cover Gronkowski the way the Jets planned to cover him.

    Smith should have been more physical at the line of scrimmage combined with a little help. Like Rex says "a man and a half". Man-to-man, but with a little help.

    Also you have to mention that Brady had all day to throw the ball. At times the initial coverage was good but you can't expect it to hold up for 10 seconds. Nobody can cover for that long.

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    if Rex wanted a coverage safety he would have kept Dwight Lowery.

    Safeties in this defense have 2 jobs: hit and blitz. the corners cover. I don't think Rex will draft a safety high this year. maybe next when great players like Eric Reid are available. BUt i don't think it's a priority for this defense.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4234054]if Rex wanted a coverage safety he would have kept Dwight Lowery.

    Safeties in this defense have 2 jobs: hit and blitz. the corners cover. I don't think Rex will draft a safety high this year. maybe next when great players like Eric Reid are available. BUt i don't think it's a priority for this defense.[/QUOTE]

    if thats the case, whats the answer for us getting raped by TE's game in and game out? what Gronkowski did to us was just plain embarassing...

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    [QUOTE=K-Met57;4234060]if thats the case, whats the answer for us getting raped by TE's game in and game out? what Gronkowski did to us was just plain embarassing...[/QUOTE]

    towards the end of the game they put Revis on him. Again we are focusing on the defense, but the way to beat the Pats isn't by building the perfect defense, it's by keeping the Jets offense on the field. the way to keep Gronk and Brady from scoring is by executing on offense... give them less chances. That's why Rex was so mad about the dumbest football play ever, an extra 20 seconds they will score. the NFL in 2011 is geared to foster points being scored, except our offense isn't pulling their weight (and our specials also crapped the bed, another problem). I know we love to talk defense but it was special teams and offense where the Jets lost. Give the other team short field due to turnovers, they will score.

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    [QUOTE=K-Met57;4234060]if thats the case, whats the answer for us getting raped by TE's game in and game out? what Gronkowski did to us was just plain embarassing...[/QUOTE]

    What killed the Jets D wasn't the TE position but Rex's inability to adjust to the hurry up. Brady just looked at whatever package they had on the field and adjusted the play to fit it and the D couldn't adjust to stop them consistently. Its not like the Pats offense was so much better this game than last, you just switch Welker with Gronk. Same basic pass yards distributed mostly to one guy. That's how the Jets D is set up, basically allowing one guy to get the majority of the yards and contain everyone else. Again, had the Jets been able to figure out how to have the right defense out there consistently and get some pass rush, it wouldn't have mattered.


    That's not to say they don't need to upgrade at safety, they desperately do, but TE wasn't the reason the D stunk.

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    [QUOTE=SDJETS;4234085]What killed the Jets D wasn't the TE position but Rex's inability to adjust to the hurry up. Brady just looked at whatever package they had on the field and adjusted the play to fit it and the D couldn't adjust to stop them consistently. Its not like the Pats offense was so much better this game than last, you just switch Welker with Gronk. Same basic pass yards distributed mostly to one guy. That's how the Jets D is set up, basically allowing one guy to get the majority of the yards and contain everyone else. Again, had the Jets been able to figure out how to have the right defense out there consistently and get some pass rush, it wouldn't have mattered.


    That's not to say they don't need to upgrade at safety, they desperately do, but TE wasn't the reason the D stunk.[/QUOTE]

    I think a big issue for us is that we have extreme specialists littered throughout the roster. Meaning there is no D rex can put on the field that would cover both run and pass pretty well. The reason our base D can't guard the pass is a combination of slow safeties/ILBs and lack of pass rushing OLBs. I know it sounds like I am making it too simple, but we need guys who can simply do both if we want that elite defense.

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    Is the Alabama safety a reasonable target for the Jets at the end of the first round?

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    Seems like a pretty weak safety class too, not sure there is a first rounder in the group... couple of quality free agents, any chance we could sign Landry?

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    [QUOTE=SDJETS;4234085]What killed the Jets D wasn't the TE position but Rex's inability to adjust to the hurry up.[/QUOTE]

    Gronkowski scored both his TDs with basic moves on ****ty coverage. New England TEs combined for 12 catches and 154 yds. The TE position was 50% of New England's passing game.

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    Kerry Rhodes could cover TEs, I do miss that. But he didn't seem to care too much about football anymore and felt he was too good for coaching.


    We do need a better safety, Smith can't cover for ****.

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    [QUOTE=JamaicanJetFan;4234114]Is the Alabama safety a reasonable target for the Jets at the end of the first round?[/QUOTE]

    I dont think Barron can cover Gronk either. He is a fit for the Rex D (big hitter) but I think his value is closer to rd 3/4 than rd 1/2

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    I'm done with Eric Smith. Been watching this loser get annihilated by TE's and FB's for 6 f'n years now. He needs to be cut after this season. He sucks that hard.

    Jim Leonhard could get schooled by Doug Jolley he is that bad in coverage. I know Rex's D can mask a Safety who isn't great in coverage but eventually scrubs like Smith and Leonhard are going to get exposed and you saw it once again on Sunday.

    If it's a weak draft class for Safeties then sign someone. We have the cap room.
    Last edited by TerminatorJet; 11-15-2011 at 12:11 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Goodfellaz;4234127]Gronkowski scored both his TDs with basic moves on ****ty coverage. New England TEs combined for 12 catches and 154 yds. The TE position was 50% of New England's passing game.[/QUOTE]

    Right, but the TDs were all already in the red zone. There were plenty of plays before that. The D is designed to force the opposing offense to force it through one guy, it seems to always happen. Meanwhile, with everyone else shut down, the offense gets off the field a lot faster and without getting to the red zone. If the defense was able to cover the run and pass with the same package, Gronkowski wouldn't be getting those red zone targets, period.

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    [QUOTE=bman;4234042]Losing Brodney Pool hurt in the Pats game.[/QUOTE]

    +1
    Smith and Leonhard and just awful in coverage! Rhodes definitely didn't hit like a Mack truck but at least he could cover a freakn TE! :mad:

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