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    [QUOTE=SDJETS;4234210]Right, but the TDs were all already in the red zone.[/QUOTE]

    Yea, which could account for at most 40 yards of the 154 yds receiving the TEs had. That leaves 10 catches for 114 yards outside the red zone - safety coverage is a huge problem for this D.

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4234054]if Rex wanted a coverage safety he would have kept Dwight Lowery.

    Safeties in this defense have 2 jobs: hit and blitz. the corners cover. I don't think Rex will draft a safety high this year. maybe next when great players like Eric Reid are available. BUt i don't think it's a priority for this defense.[/QUOTE]

    Then we will lose to smart teams like the Pats for the next 10 years. I guess Ed Reed is a blitz and hit safety?

    Utter nonsense. Normally matching a safety against a TE or Rb would be decent for a defense for us it's a disaster.

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    kerry rhodes sucks..hes not the answer

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4234054]if Rex wanted a coverage safety he would have kept Dwight Lowery.

    Safeties in this defense have 2 jobs: hit and blitz. the corners cover. I don't think Rex will draft a safety high this year. maybe next when great players like Eric Reid are available. BUt i don't think it's a priority for this defense.[/QUOTE]

    So what did Ed Reed do in Baltimore?! A little more than blitz and hit in case you missed it. The thing is, Rex thought he could get by with what we have and that clearly hasnt been the case. Smith has been attacked by opposing offenses all season long and with every game, it gets more apparent for our upcoming opponents that he is the one weak link in our secondary that stands out.

    Someone said something very true earlier in this thread, we have to many specialists on our defense. Westerman and Maybin are only good against the pass (hell, they even put McIntyre in on run downs), Bart Scott as he is getting older always goes out in passing situations, both our safeties are run stoppers, neither Pouha or DeVito bring anything to the table against the pass... You can survive with maybe one or two guys like that (like your NT or another lineman) but if you have to substitute half your defense, you will get in trouble.

    Like it or not, this defense has to be upgraded at key positions or we will continue to suffer in that regard. Defense will always be a strong point of this season and in order to make it work we need a dominant defense, one that can stop the opposition when needed. Again though, I not disagree with you when you say our offense has major issues. We have our needs clearly in front of us though - WR, S, a complete OLB and maybe another TE... other than that this team from an age and depth standpoint looks really solid on paper...

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    [QUOTE=Beerfish;4234259]Then we will lose to smart teams like the Pats for the next 10 years. I guess Ed Reed is a blitz and hit safety?

    Utter nonsense. [/QUOTE]

    well he beat the Pats a couple times already. again the safety is not why they lost. they lost because of their own mistakes. like 3 dropped intereceptions and Aaron Maybin bouncing off of Brady's legs.

    bringing up Ed Reed in the safety discussion is like bringing up Tom Brady in the QB discussion. He's an outlier, and you can't get him on the open market.

    Obviously Rex will use an Ed reed but he doesn't seek out these players and every indication is that he wants a certain type of safety for his defense.

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    [QUOTE=Goodfellaz;4234246]Yea, which could account for at most 40 yards of the 154 yds receiving the TEs had. That leaves 10 catches for 114 yards outside the red zone - safety coverage is a huge problem for this D.[/QUOTE]

    It has been for three years.

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    [QUOTE=Flaming Mo;4234321]
    Again though, I not disagree with you when you say our offense has major issues. .[/QUOTE]

    it's not just the offense either. you can't miss 20 yard FGs and muff punt returns and beat the Pats. Every unit has to play well, the Jets didn't play particularly well in any phase of the game. Im willing to chalk up last week as a bad game rather than plan out how they can fire every player and coach that made a mistake.

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    [QUOTE=drsamuel84;4234050]I've said it on another thread and I'll say it here. Safety should be our number 1 priority going into the draft. Sure we need a Wayne Hunter replacement and we still need a pass rush but not having a legit cover safety has killed us multiple times this season. We have 2 safetys now who are exactly the same, good tacklers, terrible in coverage.[/QUOTE]


    Considering that Rex maneuvered his first free agency opportunity after the loss to the Colts in the AFCCG specifically to defeat what he considered his primary obstacle to the SB (Peyton Manning) it's strange that he has sat on shoring up the weaknesses that prevent the Jets from beating the Pats. Bellichick adjusted his offensive scheme away from deep threat WR types to TE's knowing that the Jets strength is their CB's, why hasn't Rex countered?

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4234333]it's not just the offense either. you can't miss 20 yard FGs and muff punt returns and beat the Pats. Every unit has to play well, the Jets didn't play particularly well in any phase of the game. Im willing to chalk up last week as a bad game rather than plan out how they can fire every player and coach that made a mistake.[/QUOTE]

    Special teams were one of my biggest problems of that game aswell. The unit has been great all year and we bank on them as a huge advantage over any opponent. Too bad they let us down...

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    [QUOTE=bitonti;4234323]well he beat the Pats a couple times already. again the safety is not why they lost. they lost because of their own mistakes. like 3 dropped intereceptions and Aaron Maybin bouncing off of Brady's legs.

    bringing up Ed Reed in the safety discussion is like bringing up Tom Brady in the QB discussion. He's an outlier, and you can't get him on the open market.

    Obviously Rex will use an Ed reed but he doesn't seek out these players and every indication is that he wants a certain type of safety for his defense.[/QUOTE]

    look, the defense has to be customized to the team and the gameplan...and having Eric Smith starting probably means you need to blitz and play a lot of run support and what not...fine...but there is a fundamental issue here...when it is required to put a coverage safety out there...we dont have a good one (pool?)...leonard is too small and smith cant cover...its that simple...its not just the pats game...its every game! what was the first thing people said when we were playing Jax? thank god Lewis is out...and this goes on and on...

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    [QUOTE=K-Met57;4234401]look, the defense has to be customized to the team and the gameplan...and having Eric Smith starting probably means you need to blitz and play a lot of run support and what not...fine...but there is a fundamental issue here...when it is required to put a coverage safety out there...we dont have a good one (pool?)...leonard is too small and smith cant cover...its that simple...its not just the pats game...its every game! what was the first thing people said when we were playing Jax? thank god Lewis is out...and this goes on and on...[/QUOTE]

    btw...you can probably make your safeties look a lot better with a pass rush...but we dont got that either... :)

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    [QUOTE=Bearded_Achilles;4234262]kerry rhodes sucks..hes not the answer[/QUOTE]

    There is no answer in the form of a player for guys like Gronkowski and Jermicheal Finley. The only way to stop them is with a great scheme.

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    Smith and Leonhard and just awful in coverage! Rhodes definitely didn't hit like a Mack truck but at least he could cover a freakn TE! :mad:[/QUOTE]

    Agree 100%, Smith and Leonhard good football players, good guys, just cant cover..I'll take Kerry's speed and range over Smith's big hit ability, and Leonhard's heart..

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    [QUOTE=Goodfellaz;4234246]Yea, which could account for at most 40 yards of the 154 yds receiving the TEs had. That leaves 10 catches for 114 yards outside the red zone - safety coverage is a huge problem for this D.[/QUOTE]

    Right, but you're missing the point. Giving up 114 yards to 2 TEs isn't really a problem per se. Not being able to stop either the run or pass or get the defense rested when it mattered was. Like I said, in the first game, it was Welker with those yards and they took care of the TEs for the most part. This game, they shut down Welker and the WRs for the most part and pretty much chose to let the TEs be the one to "beat them." As others have pointed out, the way they had the defense set up, no safety would be able to cover that athletic of a TE. Most of the time, the D makes it work because three is a combination of pass rush, different defense packages, and not Tom Brady throwing the ball. Most QBs aren't going to hit the one player the defense doesn't cover as well.

    Do the Jets suck at covering TEs and have not great coverage safties? yes, of course. Is that what killed the defense against the Pats? No.

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    [QUOTE=SDJETS;4234518]Right, but you're missing the point. Giving up 114 yards to 2 TEs isn't really a problem per se. Not being able to stop either the run or pass or get the defense rested when it mattered was. Like I said, in the first game, it was Welker with those yards and they took care of the TEs for the most part. This game, they shut down Welker and the WRs for the most part and pretty much chose to let the TEs be the one to "beat them." As others have pointed out, the way they had the defense set up, no safety would be able to cover that athletic of a TE. Most of the time, the D makes it work because three is a combination of pass rush, different defense packages, and not Tom Brady throwing the ball. Most QBs aren't going to hit the one player the defense doesn't cover as well.

    Do the Jets suck at covering TEs and have not great coverage safties? yes, of course. Is that what killed the defense against the Pats? No.[/QUOTE]

    I think the idea with forcing the offense to go through one player is that they will have average success but not crazy success? The problem with Smith is that he wasn't just getting beaten by Gronk sometimes, he was getting destroyed all the time.

    I do, however, agree with you that we need a defense that can cover both the run and the pass. Against good balanced offenses, the specialized defenses won't cut it. Especially when they run the hurry up.

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    [QUOTE=jets80;4234457]Agree 100%, Smith and Leonhard good football players, good guys, just cant cover..I'll take Kerry's speed and range over Smith's big hit ability, and Leonhard's heart..[/QUOTE]

    agreed. unless you somehow land a hybrid LB whose great in coverage



    EDIT: Not sure why i highlighted your comment..meant to someone elses

    disagree..kerry rhodes is all flash...how many times does he have to get burned in coverage before we say hes not a good cover safety...the same story in Arzona..there's #25 10 yards back getting burned.

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    [QUOTE=DDNYjets;4234412]There is no answer in the form of a player for guys like Gronkowski and Jermicheal Finley. The only way to stop them is with a great scheme.[/QUOTE]

    agree...how come dustin keller wasnt in a majority of the game..i saw #82 in more than #81...another case of schotty outthinking himself instead of lining up and playing?

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    draft a S and an OLB...honestly...everything else will take care of itself.

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    Here is the plan.

    Bills cut Brad Smith for salary cap purposes. We sign him and play him at safety.

    Edelman played D on Sunday. McKnight played D. Scott Frost played D.

    Brad Smith can play safety, better than Eric Smith.

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