and also let me add that the Affordable Care Act aka Obamacare (which hasn't really kicked in yet) makes it possible for millions of people with pre-existing conditions to get healthcare. That's a positive change and the repeal folks could never get it removed. People actually like not being screwed by insurance companies.
This is where I think the gov't should offer something (for a price). If you have a pre-existing condition, you can get "basic" gov't care, or pay whatever you have to on your own. It wouldn't be nearly as comprehensive as private care would -- you might have to wait for years like in other countries. But it would still make more sense than "forcing" a private corporation to do something that's obviously not in their financial best interest . . .
No one opposes tort reform, its just that people who hang on to this as a major tool in reforming our health care system are living in a fantasy land. It will make just a tiny dent in the problem. Again, not opposed to it.
Last edited by kennyo7; 11-23-2011 at 03:57 PM.
Or have you read the opinions and come to a conclusion about the legal merits, bit?
Uh, no. I happen to think the DC Circuit makes a good argument for why the mandate is constitutional (and why the Constitution needs amending . . . though as I spend more time on it, I'm starting to see holes in that argument), but if the mandate gets struck down, it will be struck down on the theory that "not purchasing health insurance" is not an act of commerce and that Congress cannot require people to engage in acts of commerce.if the supreme court repeals the ACA everything can fall. no need to buy insurance for your car anymore.
Purchasing a car, on the other hand, is an act of commerce. So the Congress can certainly require insurance as a requirement before buying a car.
But you're also forgetting that Congress doesn't actually mandate auto insurance - states do. And state legislative ability isn't "restrained" by the scope of the commerce clause. More, driving is a privilege, and the State is well within its constitutional rights to say "you may not drive an uninsured vehicle"
But other than that, it was an excellent point, bit
By almost any responsible way of measuring, our health care system is severely lacking in many key areas. Some of these issues can be explained away, but the sum of the whole is damning. So while the most indoctrinated will continue to spew what they are programmed to say (we have the best health care system in the world!!!) most responsible Americans know that we need to fix the system.
But the devil is in the details and fair-minded Americans can disagree on how to change it. However, the people who want to continue to kick the can down the road, due to political expediency or just sticking their head in the sand, are shameful.
Capitalism is a wonderful thing. Greed is not. Work hard to enjoy the finer things; everyone is not entitled to drive a fancy car or live in a mansion. But I will welcome a debate with any of my JI friends who say all Americans should not be allowed access to affordable health care. Reasonable health care should not be a perk for the affluent or even the employed. There are many decent, honest and hard working Americans who want to work but cannot due to the economy. Do people game the system? Without question. But reasonable health care should not be part of the "game" it is a human right. A child that gets cancer (as an example) should not be denied long term health care simply because he or she was born into a family that does not have the resources to go to a decent doctor or afford the medical bills.
And lets save the tired and false argument that there is not enough money to make the system work. If we stopped sending billions to deposed dictators, sending billions in tax money to private companies to build roads and bridges in the middle east or using that tax money for private companies to build weapons so they can sell them to other countries (and then use those same weapons against us some day), we could afford to give decent health care to all Americans. In the current system we simply fail to do that.
Everyone is not entitled to a lexus or an expensive mansion. That should be a reward for being innovative and working hard. Getting proper care should when you are sick should be something that all Americans should be entitled to.
Last edited by intelligentjetsfan; 11-24-2011 at 06:27 AM.
People need to take better care of themselves and their children, parents and grandparents. I suspect that will change the infant mortality and longevity rates substantially more than additional government reform of our health care system.
Every person is going to die who enters the health care systema so will every person who doesn't. Much of our longevity and over all health has little to do with the system.
We probably should have a basic National health care package with people being able to buy private insurance above the basic plan. Without people taking more responsability for their own general health I don't see that we will get a huge statistical improvement. Most of the statistical anomaly may be related to culture as much as system.
Last edited by Winstonbiggs; 11-24-2011 at 07:04 AM.
Congress, civil servants etc... basically have terrific healthcare for life...why change anything? But if health care was like auto insurance, EVERYONE would see the problem.
Someone wants insurance? Fill out this form...and we will file it w/o looking at it all that much. But we will be happy to collect your premium payments. But wait? What's this? After 4 years, you want to file a claim? Let's take a closer look at your application.
Holy cow! You got sick as a child? Claim denied...and no, we will NOT refund you your payments. How would we make money then? The only way to make money is to collect more in premiums than we pay out and the best way to pay out less is to deny people.