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    Teaching us WHAT to think.....

    [B][SIZE="4"]How Republicans are being taught to talk about Occupy Wall Street[/SIZE][/B]

    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-being-taught-talk-occupy-wall-street-133707949.html[/url]

    LANDO, Fla. -- The Republican Governors Association met this week in Florida to give GOP state executives a chance to rejuvenate, strategize and team-build. But during a plenary session on Wednesday, one question kept coming up: How can Republicans do a better job of talking about Occupy Wall Street?
    "I'm so scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I'm frightened to death," said Frank Luntz, a Republican strategist and one of the nation's foremost experts on crafting the perfect political message. "They're having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism."
    Luntz offered tips on how Republicans could discuss the grievances of the Occupiers, and help the governors better handle all these new questions from constituents about "income inequality" and "paying your fair share."
    Yahoo News sat in on the session, and counted 10 do's and don'ts from Luntz covering how Republicans should fight back by changing the way they discuss the movement.
    [B]1. Don't say 'capitalism.'[/B]
    "I'm trying to get that word removed and we're replacing it with either 'economic freedom' or 'free market,' " Luntz said. "The public . . . still prefers capitalism to socialism, but they think capitalism is immoral. And if we're seen as defenders of quote, Wall Street, end quote, we've got a problem."
    [B]2. Don't say that the government 'taxes the rich.' [/B]
    Instead, tell them that the government 'takes from the rich.'
    "If you talk about raising taxes on the rich," the public responds favorably, Luntz cautioned. But "if you talk about government taking the money from hardworking Americans, the public says no. Taxing, the public will say yes."
    [B]3. Republicans should forget about winning the battle over the 'middle class.' [/B]Call them 'hardworking taxpayers.'
    "They cannot win if the fight is on hardworking taxpayers. We can say we defend the 'middle class' and the public will say, I'm not sure about that. But defending 'hardworking taxpayers' and Republicans have the advantage."
    [B]4. Don't talk about 'jobs.' Talk about 'careers.'[/B]
    "Everyone in this room talks about 'jobs,'" Luntz said. "Watch this."
    He then asked everyone to raise their hand if they want a "job." Few hands went up. Then he asked who wants a "career." Almost every hand was raised.
    "So why are we talking about jobs?"
    [B]5. Don't say 'government spending.' Call it 'waste.'[/B]
    "It's not about 'government spending.' It's about 'waste.' That's what makes people angry."
    [B]6. Don't ever say you're willing to 'compromise.'[/B]
    "If you talk about 'compromise,' they'll say you're selling out. Your side doesn't want you to 'compromise.' What you use in that to replace it with is 'cooperation.' It means the same thing. But cooperation means you stick to your principles but still get the job done. Compromise says that you're selling out those principles."
    [B]7. The three most important words you can say to an Occupier:[/B] 'I get it.'
    "First off, here are three words for you all: 'I get it.' . . . 'I get that you're angry. I get that you've seen inequality. I get that you want to fix the system."
    Then, he instructed, offer Republican solutions to the problem.
    [B]8. Out: 'Entrepreneur.' In: 'Job creator.'[/B]
    Use the phrases "small business owners" and "job creators" instead of "entrepreneurs" and "innovators."
    [B]9. Don't ever ask anyone to 'sacrifice.'[/B]
    "There isn't an American today in November of 2011 who doesn't think they've already sacrificed. If you tell them you want them to 'sacrifice,' they're going to be be pretty angry at you. You talk about how 'we're all in this together.' We either succeed together or we fail together."
    [B]10. Always blame Washington.[/B]
    Tell them, "You shouldn't be occupying Wall Street, you should be occupying Washington. You should occupy the White House because it's the policies over the past few years that have created this problem."
    BONUS:
    Don't say 'bonus!'
    Luntz advised that if they give their employees an income boost during the holiday season, they should never refer to it as a "bonus."
    "If you give out a bonus at a time of financial hardship, you're going to make people angry. It's 'pay for performance.'"

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    dont call it retiring at 85, call it extended career opportunity enhancement

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    IJF, you're a history teacher, right?

    I would love to sit in on one of your classes and just marinate in the irony.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4259613]You shouldn't be occupying Wall Street, you should be occupying Washington.[/QUOTE]

    Well at least they got one thing right.

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4259616]IJF, you're a history teacher, right?

    I would love to sit in on one of your classes and just marinate in the irony.[/QUOTE]

    off duty ;)

    Teaching is like acting; you put on a show. They actually thought I was a Bush supporter during the run up to the 2004 election! :eek:

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4259615]dont call it retiring at 85, call it extended career opportunity enhancement[/QUOTE]

    Or call it working forever to pay for the ridiculously early retirement and bloated pensions and lifetime benefits of union employees.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4259631]

    Teaching is like acting; you put on a show. [/QUOTE]

    Well, that make me feel [I]so[/I] much better. :D

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    [QUOTE=shakin318;4259632]Or call it working forever to pay for the ridiculously early retirement and bloated pensions and lifetime benefits of union employees.[/QUOTE]

    Unfair...they retire in their 50's with full benefits for life. If Greece and Italy can do it, why can't the US civil service screw its country too.;)

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4259655]Unfair...they retire in their 50's with full benefits for life. If Greece and Italy can do it, why can't the US civil service screw its country too.;)[/QUOTE]

    Great point. I think its much more reasonable for them to work until their into their 70s and then they can spend whats left of their "golden years" wondering if they will need to get yet another job because they don't get enough money due to the fact that the politicians used the pension money that they paid into for private investment. Then they can die. ;)
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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4259664]Great point. I think its much more reasonable for them to work until their into their 70s and then they can spend whats left of their "golden years" wondering if they will need to get yet another job because they don't get enough money due to the fact that the politicians used the pension money that they paid into for private investment. Then they can die. ;)[/QUOTE]

    Right, and once they die the government can swoop in and collect what's left of their earnings.

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4259616]IJF, you're a history teacher, right?

    I would love to sit in on one of your classes and just marinate in the irony.[/QUOTE]

    It's not a toupee, it's hair replenishment.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4259664]Great point. I think its much more reasonable for them to work until their into their 70s and then they can spend whats left of their "golden years" wondering if they will need to get yet another job because they don't get enough money due to the fact that the politicians used the pension money that they paid into for private investment. Then they can die. ;)[/QUOTE]

    or they can do like private sector employees. They can save in their 401K and retire as soon as they can, based on what THEY saved and planned for.

    Too much to ask for from the civil service government fed mind though....

    Life is tough for those of us not living off the public.;)

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    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4259616]IJF, you're a history teacher, right?

    I would love to sit in on one of your classes and just marinate in the irony.[/QUOTE]

    Lol, +1 on that.

    I especially love #1 on the list.

    Because Liber....I mean Progressi....er, I mean Sociali......er, I mean Communis......er, I mean Social Democr.......hmmm, what ARE left-leaners to be called these days.

    Well, whatever they're called, it's not any less disingenuous than #1 on the list.

    P.S. I like Capitalism.;)

    [QUOTE=Bonhomme Richard;4259678]Right, and once they die the government can swoop in and collect what's left of their earnings.[/QUOTE]

    Remember, the money you are paid are NOT "your earnings". It's Government Revenue, spending they call it, that they in their kindness chose to allow you keep.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4259613][B][SIZE="4"]How Republicans are being taught to talk about Occupy Wall Street[/SIZE][/B]

    [url]http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/republicans-being-taught-talk-occupy-wall-street-133707949.html[/url]

    LANDO, Fla. -- The Republican Governors Association met this week in Florida to give GOP state executives a chance to rejuvenate, strategize and team-build. But during a plenary session on Wednesday, one question kept coming up: How can Republicans do a better job of talking about Occupy Wall Street?
    "I'm so scared of this anti-Wall Street effort. I'm frightened to death," said Frank Luntz, a Republican strategist and one of the nation's foremost experts on crafting the perfect political message. "They're having an impact on what the American people think of capitalism."
    Luntz offered tips on how Republicans could discuss the grievances of the Occupiers, and help the governors better handle all these new questions from constituents about "income inequality" and "paying your fair share."
    Yahoo News sat in on the session, and counted 10 do's and don'ts from Luntz covering how Republicans should fight back by changing the way they discuss the movement.
    [B]1. Don't say 'capitalism.'[/B]
    "I'm trying to get that word removed and we're replacing it with either 'economic freedom' or 'free market,' " Luntz said. "The public . . . still prefers capitalism to socialism, but they think capitalism is immoral. And if we're seen as defenders of quote, Wall Street, end quote, we've got a problem."
    [B]2. Don't say that the government 'taxes the rich.' [/B]
    Instead, tell them that the government 'takes from the rich.'
    "If you talk about raising taxes on the rich," the public responds favorably, Luntz cautioned. But "if you talk about government taking the money from hardworking Americans, the public says no. Taxing, the public will say yes."
    [B]3. Republicans should forget about winning the battle over the 'middle class.' [/B]Call them 'hardworking taxpayers.'
    "They cannot win if the fight is on hardworking taxpayers. We can say we defend the 'middle class' and the public will say, I'm not sure about that. But defending 'hardworking taxpayers' and Republicans have the advantage."
    [B]4. Don't talk about 'jobs.' Talk about 'careers.'[/B]
    "Everyone in this room talks about 'jobs,'" Luntz said. "Watch this."
    He then asked everyone to raise their hand if they want a "job." Few hands went up. Then he asked who wants a "career." Almost every hand was raised.
    "So why are we talking about jobs?"
    [B]5. Don't say 'government spending.' Call it 'waste.'[/B]
    "It's not about 'government spending.' It's about 'waste.' That's what makes people angry."
    [B]6. Don't ever say you're willing to 'compromise.'[/B]
    "If you talk about 'compromise,' they'll say you're selling out. Your side doesn't want you to 'compromise.' What you use in that to replace it with is 'cooperation.' It means the same thing. But cooperation means you stick to your principles but still get the job done. Compromise says that you're selling out those principles."
    [B]7. The three most important words you can say to an Occupier:[/B] 'I get it.'
    "First off, here are three words for you all: 'I get it.' . . . 'I get that you're angry. I get that you've seen inequality. I get that you want to fix the system."
    Then, he instructed, offer Republican solutions to the problem.
    [B]8. Out: 'Entrepreneur.' In: 'Job creator.'[/B]
    Use the phrases "small business owners" and "job creators" instead of "entrepreneurs" and "innovators."
    [B]9. Don't ever ask anyone to 'sacrifice.'[/B]
    "There isn't an American today in November of 2011 who doesn't think they've already sacrificed. If you tell them you want them to 'sacrifice,' they're going to be be pretty angry at you. You talk about how 'we're all in this together.' We either succeed together or we fail together."
    [B]10. Always blame Washington.[/B]
    Tell them, "You shouldn't be occupying Wall Street, you should be occupying Washington. You should occupy the White House because it's the policies over the past few years that have created this problem."
    BONUS:
    Don't say 'bonus!'
    Luntz advised that if they give their employees an income boost during the holiday season, they should never refer to it as a "bonus."
    "If you give out a bonus at a time of financial hardship, you're going to make people angry. It's 'pay for performance.'"[/QUOTE]

    so what's the point of the post? Republicans are evil? This is a page out of Schumer's handbook.

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    It's not Pro-Death, it's "Pro-Choice"

    It's not charity, it's "an entitlement"

    It's not sodomy, it's "a civil union"

    It's not "the theory of evolution", it's just "evolution"

    It's not "illegal immigrant", it's "undocumented worker"

    It's not "global warming", it's "climate change"

    It's not indoctrination, it's "our educational system"

    They're not "ingrates with nothing bettter to do", they're "occupiers"

    Hey, I think I'm getting the hang of this . . .;)
    Last edited by OCCH; 12-02-2011 at 06:45 AM.

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    [QUOTE=quantum;4259871]so what's the point of the post? [B]Republicans are evil? [/B]This is a page out of Schumer's handbook.[/QUOTE]

    I posted it because it is a very revealing and surprisingly candid look inside of how the average American is manipulated day in and day out. You can absolutely insert a similar article from a democratic pollster and get similar results.

    The point is that if people are not interested in thinking for themselves someone else will gladly do it for them.
    Last edited by intelligentjetsfan; 12-02-2011 at 07:10 AM.

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4259921]I posted it because it is a very revealing and surprisingly candid look inside of how the average American is manipulated day in and day out. You can absolutely insert a similar article from a democratic pollster and get similar results.

    The point is that if people are not interested in thinking for themselves someone else will gladly do it for them.[/QUOTE]

    Liberal indoctrination takes place from 1st grade to college by our liberal education department. PLEASE.........

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    [QUOTE=OCCH;4259912]It's not "the theory of evolution", it's just "evolution"
    [/QUOTE]

    it's not the theory of gravity it's just gravity

    the GOP is excellent at word play. This has been the case for years. This is why they can get Sonny Bono to Congress. they provide a word list to their politicians and everyone sticks to it. I envy their discipline. Listen to 10 different democrats it's all their own special interests and nothing coherant.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4259939]Liberal indoctrination takes place from 1st grade to college by our liberal education department. PLEASE.........[/QUOTE]

    Thats why its up to YOU to turn on Rush and Sean as much as possible. Make sure Fox News is on the television with consistency and have a copy of the Wall Street Journal on the table at all times.

    ITS up to you to stop the liberal lies and propaganda......by tuning into the lies and propaganda of the far-right. :yes:

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    [QUOTE=intelligentjetsfan;4259953]Thats why its up to YOU to turn on Rush and Sean as much as possible. Make sure Fox News is on the television with consistency and have a copy of the Wall Street Journal on the table at all times.

    ITS up to you to stop the liberal lies and propaganda......by tuning into the lies and propaganda of the far-right. :yes:[/QUOTE]

    I dont listen to either...... I think RUSH is funny but I dont listen during the day as I have a job and I wouldn't watch hannity if he were the only thing on. Hannity and Beck are the worst thing that has happened to the conservative movement IMO.

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