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Thread: Anyone thinks that Mike DeVito is replacable?!

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    Anyone thinks that Mike DeVito is replacable?!

    Thinking about fixing our pass rush problems what has Mike DeVito done recently to warrant a starting job?!? I know he is a premium run stuffer but absolutely USELESS against the pass. He is good at one thing and I just think that we have to think about getting two way players that can play both against the pass and the run. Muhammad Wilkerson is the perfect example.

    I like DeVito, he is a great story and has been a stud for us in recent years. But I think it is debatable if Pouha AND DeVito aren't too much pure run stuffers. We have to substitute too much, teams can get us into bad packages etc.

    Just a food for thought...

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    He's far from irreplaceable - very few players on the Jets (or any team) truly are.

    But in terms of priorities, we have a lot more issues to deal with first. With the cap position as it is you need to have guys like DeVito on the team - solid, dependable starters that don't cost the earth. And anyway, our pass rush should primarily come from the LB position, not the DE, so guys like Pace are really the ones that need to be looked at more in terms of production. (Thomas would be another but, with his injury and age, I figure he's gone anyway).

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    I think the ENTIRE defense is replaceable. With the exception of Revis and maybe David Harris. Not a very talented bunch. I would package 2 D-linemen to a ream for a 2nd round pick...thoughts?

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    [QUOTE=ROPE;4299714]I think the ENTIRE defense is replaceable. With the exception of Revis and maybe David Harris. Not a very talented bunch. I would package 2 D-linemen to a ream for a 2nd round pick...thoughts?[/QUOTE]

    NO.

    we have a good DL Rotation right now

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    [QUOTE=ROPE;4299714]I think the ENTIRE defense is replaceable. With the exception of Revis and maybe David Harris. Not a very talented bunch. I would package 2 D-linemen to a ream for a 2nd round pick...thoughts?[/QUOTE]

    I don't think there's any need to shake it up on the DL right now ... we've got a lot of guys who can be here for a long time that aren't costing a lot, good depth.

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    It's ridiculous how undervalued Pouha and Devito are around here.

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    I think Devito is replaceable with players currently on the roster. I would not mind seeing Pitoitua or Dixon getting a shot at starting next year.

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    [QUOTE=ROPE;4299714]I think the ENTIRE defense is replaceable. With the exception of Revis and maybe David Harris. Not a very talented bunch. I would package 2 D-linemen to a ream for a 2nd round pick...thoughts?[/QUOTE]

    +1
    We really lack any kind of team speed in the front 7. All of those guys are replaceable.

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    It's clear how little we know about our own team, and just the game of football in general.

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    [QUOTE=JamesR;4299711]He's far from irreplaceable - very few players on the Jets (or any team) truly are.

    But in terms of priorities, we have a lot more issues to deal with first. With the cap position as it is you need to have guys like DeVito on the team - solid, dependable starters that don't cost the earth. And anyway, our pass rush should primarily come from the LB position, not the DE, so guys like Pace are really the ones that need to be looked at more in terms of production. (Thomas would be another but, with his injury and age, I figure he's gone anyway).[/QUOTE]

    You are exactly on point here. The Jets need to upgrade their LBs and safeties as the first order of business on the defense.

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    Believe it or not but Dixon's playin better than Devito right now.

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    why no love for devito? how many teams actually have 3 or 4 pass rushers on their dline? not many. and don't forget containment within the pocket can be just as valuable as getting to the qb. who should get credit for sacks? the guy who actually sacks to qb or the guys who occupy the blockers to create pressure lanes?

    obviously devito isn't so great that he can't be replaced but right now the jets need other players and other positions filled.

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    You are a little late to the party. I have been saying this for the better part of a month.

    Devito has been injured while guys like Ellis, Pouha, MTV, Dixon, and Wilk have all filled in admirably. Mainly Dixon.

    I think Devito has been a stout DT/DE for the Jets but lets face it this team still has never recovered from Jenkins. It takes two guys, to do what he did by himself. That is what has hurt the pass rush the most. Shame on Rex and Tanny for not fixing problem sooner.

    IMO it will purely be a $$$$ decision. Have to weigh his salary vs. where that money could be spent elsewhere.

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    I think DeVito is a good player to have on the team. Great role player who can start when needed, works hard, never complains in public. With that work ethic, a good person to have around younger players.

    How many star pass rushing 3-4 DE's do you see running around the league right now? He is a hard working, great for depth, plays hurts, can start if he has to player, not too expensive player.

    Why would you dump him?

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    DeVito is exactly the type of player Rex wants in his front 7. He puts a premium on size and strength over speed and agility. Unfortunately that leaves us vulnerable to teams with a lot of speed on offense. I don't expect this to change much so long as Rex is here.

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    I like Mike but youth and speed will always prevail in the end. You don't can him until you get a young man his size who is faster and coachable.

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    Our defensive scheme calls for our DE's to set the edge. Move the blocking lineman into the backfield, thereby redirecting the running back back into the middle of the defensive line. Back into the teeth of the defense.

    This is something that the Jets have been very hit or miss on all season. Wilkerson has been to blame at times due to his youth and inexperience. Devito also had some injury problems which caused him to be a little less than his normal effective self.

    So I really have a problem with the underlying assumption is this thread contending that the Jets do a good job stopping the run. The fact is, they have slipped substantially in their ability to stop the run. That needs to improve.

    But I tend to agree with the thread author here also. I'm not indicting Mike Devito here. I think he is a great player. My favorite player on the team. I love the underdog story and he embodies that. The problem is, that he really isn't a pass rushing threat. Wilkerson is a little better at rushing the passer but certainly not what we were hoping for.

    My take on this says why wouldn't you want the best of both worlds? If we pick players through the draft and FA that end up being both good run defenders and decent pass rushers, isn't that the best of both worlds? Isn't that what every HC should strive to have?

    So my solution would have Devito go back to second string and we bring in a multi talented DE. A guy that can blow up the guy in front of him and get to the QB or RB very quickly. A guy that gets consistent penetration into the backfield thereby disrupting the offensive rhythm.

    To some respects, you could say we really miss Kris Jenkins to that end of things. Jenkins would always get penetration into the backfield. Not only that but he would also get about 4 to 6 sacks per full season that he played. Pouha has had an excellent season, certainly pro bowl worthy. But I doubt he'll ever become the kind of multi talented player that Jenkins was.

    The problem is as far as I am concerned that the Jets lack a pass rush. It's the same problem they've had for years now. So I would be all for adding a DE, preferably, along with a linebacker that can be every down players. Players that can create consistent problems for the offense and their passing game.

    Remember the Giants back in 1986? That team had a linebacker leading the league in sacks (Lawrence Taylor) and a DE (Leonard Marshall) that was second on the team in sacks. That team easily had enough pass rush.

    The point I'm making is I would prefer to have a player in both the linebacker corp and the DLine that can consistently get after the QB. With our corners playing as well as they have this season (despite the lack of a serious pass rush), can you imagine how good our defense would be if we did get after the QB?

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    I still that DeVito has a little upside, he has been fighting a knee injury all year.

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    DeVito plays DT in the 3-4 where his central role is to occupy blockers in aid of stopping the run. This is something he is very good at. That said he is no threat as a pass rusher and he doesn't have the athletic ability to make impact plays. But he is a great role player. While in the long term Ellis will likely be a NT, he does have the athletic ability to play all over the D-line. Hoepfully, he will improve greatly with a full off-season of coaching and can tak a lot of the snaps as DT. A starting D line of Ellis, Bo, and MoWilk would be formidable and a rotation that includes DeVito, Pit, and Dixon would be deeper than most any team.

    Ellis is the key. If he starts to fulfill his potential next year I sincerely believe the Jets D is an above average FS (free agency) and a pass rushing OLB (1st draft pick) away from being a top D so long as Rex resumes his role in playcalling with Pettine from year 1.


    Disclosure: I do have a soft spot of DeVito as he is the grandson of my HS coach.

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    I think people misunderstand me, I'm not calling for DeVito to be canned nor do I say he did a bad job for us. Far from that, he is a very good player and has been a stalwart of our defense in the past few years.

    But considering how far our defense has been away this year from really being a top defense, our own expectations or where we need it to be considering our philosophy than you have to evaluate everyone not named David Harris or Darrelle Revis. Right now we got too many guys in the starting eleven that only help us against the run and are useless against the pass or better said they are a liabiity. Pouha is a must as he is the NT and anchor up front and he can easily be subbed in passing situations. But when we also sub out DeVito, Bart Scott and maybe even someone like McIntyre or Westerman, than this is just way too much. Communication suffers and opponents can gameplan against that.

    DeVito is cheap and he will be here, no question. But looking at how well Wilkerson did this year without a real camp and how he was able to really be on the field every freaking snap makes you think about the fact that we dress to many specialists right now.

    In the end the defense should do much better if we finally get a three down backer opposite of Pace and fix our safety problems. But not even giving it a thought that we could do better than DeVito, I dont know, it would be blind to our problems. We need speed and athletisism in the front seven more than anything. Again, DeVito is propably here to stay but we could do better with a more complete player.

    BTW we mainly ran a four man front this year in run situations. Westerman was standing up and Mo, Pouha, DeVito and Pace had their hand in the ground. Time to get someone opposite of Pace so we can go to the bear look more often and really use the value of a 3-4 defense which is that you can have multiple rushers from the outside and that you can exchange the OLB who really goes upfield. Right now our defense is getting easier and easier to read.

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