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Thread: Anyone thinks that Mike DeVito is replacable?!

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    [QUOTE=SONNY WERBLIN;4299818]DeVito plays DT in the 3-4 where his central role is to occupy blockers in aid of stopping the run. This is something he is very good at. That said he is no threat as a pass rusher and he doesn't have the athletic ability to make impact plays. But he is a great role player. While in the long term Ellis will likely be a NT, he does have the athletic ability to play all over the D-line. Hoepfully, he will improve greatly with a full off-season of coaching and can tak a lot of the snaps as DT. A starting D line of Ellis, Bo, and MoWilk would be formidable and a rotation that includes DeVito, Pit, and Dixon would be deeper than most any team.

    Ellis is the key. If he starts to fulfill his potential next year I sincerely believe the Jets D is an above average FS (free agency) and a pass rushing OLB (1st draft pick) away from being a top D so long as Rex resumes his role in playcalling with Pettine from year 1.


    Disclosure: I do have a soft spot of DeVito as he is the grandson of my HS coach.[/QUOTE]

    Good post and perfectly said. We really need Ellis to develop as we really do not have another true NT on the roster. MTV has not shown enough yet to conisder him a real heir to Bo once he starts to decline. Sure, he is a young what, 32 years old but you'll never know when the double teams take their real toll on your 3-4 NT.

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    [QUOTE=ROPE;4299714]I think the ENTIRE defense is replaceable. With the exception of Revis and maybe David Harris. Not a very talented bunch. I would package 2 D-linemen to a ream for a 2nd round pick...thoughts?[/QUOTE]

    Why? Wilkerson is an up and comer...Dixon plays well when he is in the game..And Pouha played near pro bowl level this season.

    The D needs young, athletic, speed guys at OLB and S..

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    I think he has already been replaced. I keep looking at the cap and thinking he is going to be a can cut or traded. I'd be all for trading him to say SF for one of their BU S. Dixon looked better then him and Pit is OK. I think if we want Pouha back we need to cut Devito. I have a feeling Pouha will not be back and that scares me a little.

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    Marcus Dixon comes in on passing downs and provides a better pass rush, I think Dixon has had a good year for us and showed that hes a player.

    Rex said he likes 2 NT types on the field, Mike Devito is basically a NT. Devito is not a issue for this team, he is good at what hes meant for. What we need is to get better at OLB, we need a legit pass rusher.

    I really wish we could have gotten Aldon Smith, 14 sacks as a rookie.

    If we can get a OLB that can pressure the QB, a quality safety that can cover, and maybe a replacement for Bart Scott who has been declining our defense could be elite. I would like to see Kenrick Ellis step up his game next year, I will give him a pass for this season since hes a rookie and played at a small school, was a 3rd round pick. But its important that he develops into a starting NT, he has all the talent to do it he just needs to improve his technique and become consistent.
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    [QUOTE=k.Rhodes25;4299854]Marcus Dixon comes in on passing downs and provides a better pass rush, I think Dixon has had a good year for us and showed that hes a player.

    Rex said he likes 2 NT types on the field, Mike Devito is basically a NT. Devito is not a issue for this team, he is good at what hes meant for. What we need is to get better at OLB, we need a legit pass rusher.

    I really wish we could have gotten Aldon Smith, 14 sacks as a rookie.

    If we can get a OLB that can pressure the QB, a quality safety that can cover, and maybe a replacement for Bart Scott who has been declining our defense could be elite. I would like to see Kenrick Ellis step up his game next year, I will give him a pass for this season since hes a rookie and played at a small school, was a 3rd round pick. But its important that he develops into a starting NT, he has all the talent to do it he just needs to improve his technique and become consistent.[/QUOTE]

    This guy gets it.

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    [QUOTE=Dreamers;4299848]I think he has already been replaced. I keep looking at the cap and thinking he is going to be a can cut or traded. I'd be all for trading him to say SF for one of their BU S. Dixon looked better then him and Pit is OK. I think if we want Pouha back we need to cut Devito. I have a feeling Pouha will not be back and that scares me a little.[/QUOTE]

    We could just try to sign Dashon Goldson, he is a free agent...

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    [QUOTE=Dreamers;4299848]I think he has already been replaced. I keep looking at the cap and thinking he is going to be a can cut or traded. I'd be all for trading him to say SF for one of their BU S. Dixon looked better then him and Pit is OK. I think if we want Pouha back we need to cut Devito. [B] I have a feeling Pouha will not be back and that scares me a little[/B].[/QUOTE]


    I wonder what the cap figure is for franchising Pouha? Not saying he is a franchise NT but it would keep him for another year to help ease Ellis into taking over at NT (and seeing if he is a player)....That is of course if the Jets can't come to terms with Pouha on a long-term deal....

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    Wow. Devito is a good player, in fact the defensive line as a whole is deep and talented, don't see any reason why we would dismantle it.

    The linebackers....that is the position that needs an infusion of youth and talent.

  9. #29
    [QUOTE=Flaming Mo;4299839]I think people misunderstand me, I'm not calling for DeVito to be canned nor do I say he did a bad job for us. Far from that, he is a very good player and has been a stalwart of our defense in the past few years.

    But considering how far our defense has been away this year from really being a top defense, our own expectations or where we need it to be considering our philosophy than you have to evaluate everyone not named David Harris or Darrelle Revis. Right now we got too many guys in the starting eleven that only help us against the run and are useless against the pass or better said they are a liabiity. Pouha is a must as he is the NT and anchor up front and he can easily be subbed in passing situations. But when we also sub out DeVito, Bart Scott and maybe even someone like McIntyre or Westerman, than this is just way too much. Communication suffers and opponents can gameplan against that.

    DeVito is cheap and he will be here, no question. But looking at how well Wilkerson did this year without a real camp and how he was able to really be on the field every freaking snap makes you think about the fact that we dress to many specialists right now.

    In the end the defense should do much better if we finally get a three down backer opposite of Pace and fix our safety problems. But not even giving it a thought that we could do better than DeVito, I dont know, it would be blind to our problems. We need speed and athletisism in the front seven more than anything. Again, DeVito is propably here to stay but we could do better with a more complete player.

    BTW we mainly ran a four man front this year in run situations. Westerman was standing up and Mo, Pouha, DeVito and Pace had their hand in the ground. Time to get someone opposite of Pace so we can go to the bear look more often and really use the value of a 3-4 defense which is that you can have multiple rushers from the outside and that you can exchange the OLB who really goes upfield. Right now our defense is getting easier and easier to read.[/QUOTE]

    you don't find players of wilkerson's caliber (size/athleticism) very often, much less at the end of rd 1. he's rare.

    that said, take a look at devito's workout numbers.....they're better than most players of similar make.

    devito's been playing hurt, but he's the two years prior he was one of our top two best DL...

    BTW - in our defense it isn't the DL that generate the pass rush or set the edge usually. Usually it is the OLB that does either of those things.

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    DeVito is great against the run and he's cheap. Keep the guy.

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    [QUOTE=JB1089;4299718]It's ridiculous how undervalued Pouha and Devito are around here.[/QUOTE]

    Priorities. We have a good rotation of players right now, with Ellis not even in the mix. However, Pouha is 32 and looking for a big contract. Devito will command $2.8 million this year, with '0' cap hit if cut. Pouha made $2.4 million this year, and is probably going to be looking for a 4-5 year deal that will pay him at least $3 million a season.

    Unless the cap is going WAY up, the Jets will be looking at what to do here; possibly even cutting DeVito AND not resigning Pouha and bringing in a guy (ala Howard Green) who can hold the fort for a year at a cheaper price. It will also mean Pitoitua, Ellis, Teveseau, and even Gilbert getting WAY more time.

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    [QUOTE=CanadaSteve;4300019]Priorities. We have a good rotation of players right now, with Ellis not even in the mix. However, Pouha is 32 and looking for a big contract. Devito will command $2.8 million this year, with '0' cap hit if cut. Pouha made $2.4 million this year, and is probably going to be looking for a 4-5 year deal that will pay him at least $3 million a season.

    Unless the cap is going WAY up, the Jets will be looking at what to do here; possibly even cutting DeVito AND not resigning Pouha and bringing in a guy (ala Howard Green) who can hold the fort for a year at a cheaper price. It will also mean Pitoitua, Ellis, Teveseau, and even [B]Gilbert [/B]getting WAY more time.[/QUOTE]

    You might be right..But too bad Gilbert is now on the Bills...They signed him off the Jets PS a couple of weeks ago.:D

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    [QUOTE=Salz;4299987]DeVito is great against the run and he's cheap. Keep the guy.[/QUOTE]

    Hasn't shown this year and he is not cheap.

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    [QUOTE=Dreamers;4300085]Hasn't shown this year and he is not cheap.[/QUOTE]

    He's had knee problems most of this season..Basically playing on 1 leg..The Jets could restructure his deal...

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    [QUOTE=C Mart;4300087]He's had knee problems most of this season..Basically playing on 1 leg..The Jets could restructure his deal...[/QUOTE]

    They already have his replacement and he was never all that good I dont see why they'd do that. Yeah that is what I want a below average DL with knee problems signed long term.

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    [QUOTE=Dreamers;4300092]They already have his replacement and he was never all that good I dont see why they'd do that. Yeah that is what I want a below average DL with knee problems signed long term.[/QUOTE]

    Sorry, I guess I should have clarified alittle more..Reportedly, these aren't career or performance knee problems that an off-season can't solve...And when I said restructure I didn't say long-term.

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    Let's see:

    2 new safeties
    2 new olbs
    1 new TE
    1 new WR (Maybe 2 if the jets had balls)
    1 new OT
    1 new punter
    1 new place kicker
    1 new OC

    Then comes any worry about upgrading Devito or DE in general.

  18. #38
    [QUOTE=Beerfish;4300107]Let's see:

    2 new safeties
    2 new olbs
    1 new TE
    1 new WR (Maybe 2 if the jets had balls)
    1 new OT
    1 new punter
    1 new place kicker
    1 new OC

    Then comes any worry about upgrading Devito or DE in general.[/QUOTE]

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  19. #39
    Get rid of Tevaseu and make Ellis a starter.

  20. #40
    sure he's replaceable...but he's a great value for what he costs...i see no reason to replace him.

    besides, dline is the absolute least of our concerns.

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