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Thread: ESPN Kay: "Ferguson regressed & got Sanchez KILLED/Ducasse is a BUST"

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    Name 7 left tackles better than Brick.

    Name 7 TE's better than Keller.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unchartedm0nkey View Post
    Dustin Keller was ever a top 10 TE?

    Amazing what wrong routes, stone hands, and incredible stupidity on the football field can do for a guy these days.
    You forgot soft cause he goes down on incidental contact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Name 7 left tackles better than Brick.

    Name 7 TE's better than Keller.
    OT

    Jake Long
    Demetrius Bell
    Oher
    Joe Thomas
    Duane Brown
    Marcus McNeil
    Ryan Clady

    That's just in the AFC

    TE would be even easier cause Keller would have to improve to be the #3 TE on the Pats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcola View Post
    OT

    Jake Long
    Demetrius Bell
    Oher
    Joe Thomas
    Duane Brown
    Marcus McNeil
    Ryan Clady

    That's just in the AFC

    TE would be even easier cause Keller would have to improve to be the #3 TE on the Pats.
    Awesome.

    This gives you the chance to start rooting for those teams.

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    And there in lies the problemwith the Jets

    We have 2 players on our roster worthy of their draft status and their contracts.Those being Mangold and Revis.All the others are flawed players the Jets FO and fans rate higher than they are worth.

    Ferguson _ A one dimentional pass blocker who can't run block or handle stunts to save his life.

    Sanchez _ A midget adequate arm system QB who can't read defenses or have the ability to go through his progressions.

    Keller _ one dimentional pass catching TE with decent but speed who can't block his way out of a paper bag.

    Harris _ A solid run defender with little to no ability in coverage .

    Holmes _ A malcontent pothead with an ability to make the difficult catch but screw up the routine.

    These are our stars who carry the majority of our salary cap.

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    This was a bad year for the o-line it all started when Woodey retired and continued in training camp when Turner went down, our little bit of depth on the o-line went down. Then Mangold went down. I really like Mr. T. But he deserves some of the criticism for the o-line and not getting a pass rusher. He spent way to much time romanticizing Asomugha

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Name 7 left tackles better than Brick.

    Name 7 TE's better than Keller.
    While I agree that Brick is a top 5 LT in the NFL, I can name off the top of my head those better than Keller:

    Witten
    Gates
    Graham
    Winslow
    Gonzalez
    Gronkowski
    Hernandez
    Vernon Davis
    Pettigrew

    Again, Schitty wasn't using Keller right at all, but it doesn't excuse the inconsistency and mental breakdowns that Keller goes through weekly.

    He CAN be a top 5 TE, but he's far from it at this point. Let's be objective here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PlumberKhan View Post
    Awesome.

    This gives you the chance to start rooting for those teams.
    Not being honest with yourself when looking at this team sets you up for major disappointment.

    It's obvious our FO over-valued our roster and look at what happened. The FO needs to look at every position. Thinking Ferguson is a Pro Bowl tackle sets up Sanchez, Greene, and the whole offense for failure.

    That said, we have bigger issues than Ferguson. But the staff needs to get more out of him than we got in 2011.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcola View Post
    That said, we have bigger issues than Ferguson. But the staff needs to get more out of him than we got in 2011.
    I wholeheartedly agree

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    8 sacks 7 hits 22 pressures

    for comparison last year

    2 sacks 9 hits 16 pressures

    definitely a down year for him but he has played much better. Also if you actually look at his stats he has been a very good run blocker as well. Top 5 LT who had a down year.

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    Over rated LT. Can't run block for crap and has really played like crap this season.

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    D'Brick was really bad this season, but he's been our most consistent player for a few years and should get a pass

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMo View Post
    8 sacks 7 hits 22 pressures

    for comparison last year

    2 sacks 9 hits 16 pressures

    definitely a down year for him but he has played much better. Also if you actually look at his stats he has been a very good run blocker as well. Top 5 LT who had a down year.
    Good accurate post

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tinstar View Post
    We have 2 players on our roster worthy of their draft status and their contracts.Those being Mangold and Revis.All the others are flawed players the Jets FO and fans rate higher than they are worth.

    Ferguson _ A one dimentional pass blocker who can't run block or handle stunts to save his life.

    Sanchez _ A midget adequate arm system QB who can't read defenses or have the ability to go through his progressions.

    Keller _ one dimentional pass catching TE with decent but speed who can't block his way out of a paper bag.

    Harris _ A solid run defender with little to no ability in coverage .

    Holmes _ A malcontent pothead with an ability to make the difficult catch but screw up the routine.

    These are our stars who carry the majority of our salary cap.
    Yep u pretty much hit the nail on the head with this post!

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    Keller was a product of the NY Hype Machine. There is no way he is even a top 10 Tight end in the NFL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pcola View Post
    OT

    Jake Long
    Demetrius Bell
    Oher
    Joe Thomas
    Duane Brown
    Marcus McNeil
    Ryan Clady

    That's just in the AFC
    Thomas is very good
    Brown is good
    Long hurt
    McNeil hurt
    Clady average
    Bell sucks

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    The entire O line regressed. Slauson was banged up but was pretty steady, Moore has his worse year as a Jet and got no push in the run game, Brick got beat a bunch and consistently made terrible reads in picking up blitzes (he wasn't his usual self which cost us, Mangold was steady but far from dominant like the past couple of years, and we all know about Wayne Hunter.

    I wouldn't say Keller regressed. He hardly got the opportunities and teams generally bumped him at the line and always helped out on him. I know great TE's get around that but a guy like Gronk has Hernandez on the other side along with Welker and Woodhead coming out of the backfield in passing situations. They forced our receivers to beat em after the first couple of weeks since it was obvious on tape we sucked. Keller hardly regressed. Its hard for him to have any serious impact when he's either getting the ball with 2 guys draped on him or he's the check down guy. Everytime he got out in space and got the ball near him he generally made a play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bitonti View Post
    Thomas is very good
    Brown is good
    Long hurt
    McNeil hurt
    Clady average
    Bell sucks
    hurt or not, still better

    maybe not right now because they are hurt, but Brick isnt doing anything right now either

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    Not forgiving Hunter and Brick totally but the sack stats in general are extremely shady. If Mark breaks the pocket and runs into a pass rusher that goes down as a sack for Brick. If he holds the ball for 5 seconds that's a sack when the ball should have been out in 2.

    as with everything in the NFL

    IT all goes back to Sanchez

    Other Teams blitz Mark cause he doesn't beat the blitz.

    Until Mark can stand up to a 6 or 7 man rush and find the open man with accuracy, the league will bring extra rushers.

    Look at tom Brady he will throw it over the head of a blitzer, to the open man. Every single time.

    With Mark, chances are they will get a sack, Int, fumble or batted pass. So other teams blitz. ALOT.

    In general this fan base is in denial. Every other team looks at Mark and sees a very limited, vulnerable player. We look at Mark and it's everyone else's fault. It's the LT, the RT, the blocking TE, the coordinator.

    this is the NFL it's all about the QB. every year they make more rule changes and make it more about the QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sanchise View Post
    hurt or not, still better

    maybe not right now because they are hurt, but Brick isnt doing anything right now either
    well he's not injured and that's something. McNeil came into this league with bad injuries and his career is going to be short b/c of it. He's not better by DBrick by any measure. Brick will play for 15 years or more like Lomas Brown.

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