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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4462152]I don't get why you care that he panders to essentially right wing electorate in the primaries? He actually has a moderate record as Gov of MA that should be very comforting to a guy like you.

    Did you really care when Obama jerked off the left with his promise to close Gitmo and stop torture and rendition? Does any lib give a crap that he ran on no mandates for Health Insurance?[/QUOTE]

    I don't see Romneys record n Massachussets as moderate. It was common sense fiscal conservative. He lowered their taxes, reduced spending, balanced their budget, and left the state with billions in a rainy day fund. He followed the Heritage Foundation's conservative outline for healthcare reform. He had police officers checking in to residency status of anyone arrested to see if they were in the country illegally. Where is the wishy washy moderate being described by the folks on the board?

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    [QUOTE=brady's a catcher;4462122]Wow, so many candidates in between you could have chosen. ;)

    And just in my "voting" lifetime, Mondale, Dukakis, Dole, Kerry and MCain were all worse candidates/less electable than Romney.

    I think Obama will still win but I think it'll be closer than I would have guessed 3-4 months ago. Romney has some momentum, he could catch up if the economy flat-lines or worse....[/QUOTE]

    It's easy to say he's better than the previous losing candidates.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4462058]. The only people prospering under Obama are the CEO's of companies like Solyndra that took DOE money and paid themselves exorbitant salaries on their way to bankrupting their companies.

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    DOE money ie taxpayers money.

    We don't call Obama "the looter" for nothing. :yes:

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    [QUOTE=brady's a catcher;4462122]I think Obama will still win but I think it'll be closer than I would have guessed 3-4 months ago. Romney has some momentum, he could catch up if the economy flat-lines or worse....[/QUOTE]

    I think Obama is going to get squashed like the cockroach that he is. :yes:

    The only states it will be close are the states where he can get away with fraud.

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    [QUOTE=adb280z;4462398]It's easy to say [B]he's better than the previous losing candidates[/B].[/QUOTE]

    Except not everyone feels that way.

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    [QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4462137]It's things like this that get Romney classified as a 'flip-flopper'...

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    'I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose.'
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    'I never really called myself pro-choice.'



    He isn't really flip-flopping on most of these issues out there... He's clarifying his position...

    Sure, you'll find some, as you will with most politicians, except for the ones who would rather not comment, vote present, etc...

    It's a non issue though... Obama literally flip-flopped on his entire campaign platform... Comparing the two is moot, if you feel 'flip-flopping' to be an issue...

    One guy has done it on the biggest stage there is... If you want to bring up one, the other guy did it more and impacted this country in a far greater way...[/QUOTE]

    I don't see those as flip-flopping: he doesn't see himself as pro-choice, but since its the law, he will protect/defend abortion. What's the problem? :dunno:

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4462031]The econonmy isn't ticking decidely up or down and don't be surprised if we have a slow patch the fed will step in again with QE3 and we get a year end rally that will decisively kill Romney. [/QUOTE]
    We're long passed that scenario.

    QE isn't happening, just as it shouldn't. Not only would it not be wise, but it wouldn't jumpstart anything. Unemployment or non-employment figures are gigantic and the housing market across the country is abominable - worse now than anytime it's been in our generation.

    There's no need for anybody to root for this economy to tank - we are tanked.

    Obama has done nothing to fix it, just made it worse by prolonging it with wet blanket policies.

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    [QUOTE=MnJetFan;4462193]Obama had nothing but bumper stickers to run on. Now its forward over the cliff! You just go ahead over the cliff you are entitled to it![/QUOTE]

    Obama is tying Romney to the R leader-less Congress and all of the policies that Mr. Boehner has failed upon. I don't understand that you cannot see that the T party that voted in the current congress is absent of voice and will.

    They no longer make the MSM. It appears to me that they did not even die with their boots on. Look at the ratings of congress.

    Romney has no FP experience much like Obama lacked when he ran in '08. Obama selected a VP who did and also had appeal to many other D constituents. Do you really think that Romney can choose Rubio? Christie?

    Romney will have to do something drastic to win over the Ron Paul conservatives. Do not over look Dr. Paul as a VP choice due to his strong delegate showing.

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4462213]I don't see Romneys record n Massachussets as moderate. It was common sense fiscal conservative. He lowered their taxes, reduced spending, balanced their budget, and left the state with billions in a rainy day fund. He followed the Heritage Foundation's conservative outline for healthcare reform. He had police officers checking in to residency status of anyone arrested to see if they were in the country illegally. Where is the wishy washy moderate being described by the folks on the board?[/QUOTE]

    Spending as a percentage of MA GDP went up during Romney's tenure. The health care law assumptions were completely wrong with cost over runs in the billions of dollars putting MA in a huge budgetary hole.

    MA fees were increased across the board and corporate taxes were raised. Nothing wrong with that it had to be done but don't act like this guy is a tax cutter and spend thrift. He raised taxes and fees and he signed a health care bill that had bad projections and has put MA in a huge budgetary hole which by the way extended health benifits to illegals.

    Nothing wrong with anything he did but lets not pretend he was slashing spending and not raising revenue.

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    [QUOTE=quantum;4462490]I don't see those as flip-flopping: he doesn't see himself as pro-choice, but since its the law, he will protect/defend abortion. What's the problem? :dunno:[/QUOTE]

    This is basically what I was driving at in the example given, possibly poorly phrased...

    There are others just like it, others he truly flipped on and most he's stuck by...

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    Lets not forget the Muslim Brotherhood. They make Hamas look clean. Egypt,
    Lybia and possibly Syria.

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    [QUOTE=Winstonbiggs;4462514]Spending as a percentage of MA GDP went up during Romney's tenure. The health care law assumptions were completely wrong with cost over runs in the billions of dollars putting MA in a huge budgetary hole.

    MA fees were increased across the board and corporate taxes were raised. Nothing wrong with that it had to be done but don't act like this guy is a tax cutter and spend thrift. He raised taxes and fees and he signed a health care bill that had bad projections and has put MA in a huge budgetary hole which by the way extended health benifits to illegals.

    Nothing wrong with anything he did but lets not pretend he was slashing spending and not raising revenue.[/QUOTE]

    Massachusetts was 3 billion in the hole when he took over. He left there with a balanced budget and a rainy day fund. They has a 5.3 percent flat tax rate when he took over. He lowered it to 5%. They did increase fees for some services. He also found savings by consolidating programs that were repetitive.

    [url]http://www.aboutmittromney.com/taxes.htm[/url]

    Here are some of the details on the fees he raised:

    WHAT WAS DONE: (Fee hikes)
    “Here's the approximate numbers:

    “$240 million -- Romney's fee hikes on targeted services like highway billboards, multiple copies of driver's licenses, bar exams, etc
    “$260 million -- Fee hikes that were passed prior to Romney's first year in office, yet did not take effect until Romney was in office
    “$150 million -- Romney closed corporate tax loopholes

    “Add all three up, and there's your $650 million, which usually gets rounded to $700 million. Of course, Romney's contribution is only $400 million. Closing the corporate tax loopholes are simply enforcing existing tax code as it was intended...to call this a tax hike is like calling it a sentencing when you send an escaped convict back to prison. See, numerous banks that did some real estate as part of their business were claiming to be "real estate lenders" as their primary business and were thereby qualifying for a major tax shelter. Romney knew this was a false claim and called them to task on it. Simple enforcement.

    “The $240 million of fee hikes that Romney approved were more than offset by various TAX CUTS he implemented...in other words, better than a "revenue neutral" shift of taxes to service fees, which any conservative should like. The service fees were generally in line with national and local inflationary trends, as well as making the prices more reflective of the actual costs. Fees generally make accounting in government more transparent, as you can see where the money is going...and there's really no good reason to subsidize a service cost below its market value anyway.

    “Here's the link for Romney's tax cuts, the biggest of which was his reversal of the $250 million retroactive capital gains tax in 2005.”
    alabamaforromney.blogspot.com - Fees vs. Taxes - Jan 13, 2008

    WHAT WAS SAID: (Fee hikes)
    “Fees and taxes have increased more than $700 million a year under Governor Mitt Romney and Lieutenant Governor Kerry Healey, a leading budget specialist said yesterday. Michael J. Widmer — president of the Massachusetts Taxpayers Foundation, which closely tracks state finances — said the state has raised roughly $740 million to $750 million per year by increasing fees and corporate taxes gained from what the Romney administration describes as ‘closing loopholes.’ ”
    Boston Globe - Analyst puts increase of fees, taxes at $700m - Sep 27, 2006

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    Obama will likely win again because sadly, America has finally turned a corner in the worst of ways. More Americans would rather [B]get [/B]stuff(jobs, healthcare, higher education, handouts) than [B]earn[/B] stuff.

    More people than not in the last generation wouldn't take welfare, food stamps, free medical, etc even when they were desperate because they were too proud and wanted to earn it all. Even at most jobs, the number of people who watch the clock and do as little as possible far outweigh those who look to do more to get ahead.

    Most adults worked two jobs and didn't have to have a new car so they could save and accumulate the 20% downpayment required to get a mortgage on a home. People worked their way through college and wouldn't even think about taking off 4-6 years on borrowed money just to go to school.

    There are still people like that, but they are becoming a minority. And the liberals play right in the wheelhouse of this new American cross section.

    They turn the JFK line "ask not what your country can do for you" on it's head and say "you aren't smart enough to decide for yourself, we'll take care of you" and people are content with it because it is easier than working hard and being responsible for their own actions.

    [climbing off soapbox]

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled program

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    [QUOTE=Piper;4463795]Obama will likely win again because sadly, America has finally turned a corner in the worst of ways. More Americans would rather [B]get [/B]stuff(jobs, healthcare, higher education, handouts) than [B]earn[/B] stuff.
    [/QUOTE]

    There you go again...blaming America.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4464273]There you go again...blaming America.[/QUOTE]

    Actually, Americans.

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    [QUOTE=Piper;4463795]Obama will likely win again because sadly, America has finally turned a corner in the worst of ways. More Americans would rather [B]get [/B]stuff(jobs, healthcare, higher education, handouts) than [B]earn[/B] stuff.

    More people than not in the last generation wouldn't take welfare, food stamps, free medical, etc even when they were desperate because they were too proud and wanted to earn it all. Even at most jobs, the number of people who watch the clock and do as little as possible far outweigh those who look to do more to get ahead.

    Most adults worked two jobs and didn't have to have a new car so they could save and accumulate the 20% downpayment required to get a mortgage on a home. People worked their way through college and wouldn't even think about taking off 4-6 years on borrowed money just to go to school.

    There are still people like that, but they are becoming a minority. And the liberals play right in the wheelhouse of this new American cross section.

    They turn the JFK line "ask not what your country can do for you" on it's head and say "you aren't smart enough to decide for yourself, we'll take care of you" and people are content with it because it is easier than working hard and being responsible for their own actions.

    [climbing off soapbox]

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled program[/QUOTE]

    +100000000 I worked for the state of Florida processing food stamp apps. The number of 16- 20 year olds applying is ridiculous. I ended up changing occupations partly due to the incessant whining of how it's not fair that their parents income was counted (when they live at home with parents). This is the mind set of the future of America. Don't even get me started on the fact that Illegal alien's income doesn't count when determining benefits.

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    "U.S. debt has surpassed 100 percent of GDP"

    Barry is the first and only president that can say that.

    [IMG]http://static.thepeoplescube.com/images/Medal_Order_of_Obama_160.gif[/IMG]

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    [QUOTE=Piper;4463795]Obama will likely win again because sadly, America has finally turned a corner in the worst of ways. More Americans would rather [B]get [/B]stuff(jobs, healthcare, higher education, handouts) than [B]earn[/B] stuff.

    More people than not in the last generation wouldn't take welfare, food stamps, free medical, etc even when they were desperate because they were too proud and wanted to earn it all. Even at most jobs, the number of people who watch the clock and do as little as possible far outweigh those who look to do more to get ahead.

    Most adults worked two jobs and didn't have to have a new car so they could save and accumulate the 20% downpayment required to get a mortgage on a home. People worked their way through college and wouldn't even think about taking off 4-6 years on borrowed money just to go to school.

    There are still people like that, but they are becoming a minority. And the liberals play right in the wheelhouse of this new American cross section.

    They turn the JFK line "ask not what your country can do for you" on it's head and say "you aren't smart enough to decide for yourself, we'll take care of you" and people are content with it because it is easier than working hard and being responsible for their own actions.

    [climbing off soapbox]

    I now return you to your regularly scheduled program[/QUOTE]

    [B][I]Never[/I][/B] give up.

    Don't let the welfare trash you see up in upstate NY (or whatever town it is PK lives in) discourage you.

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    [QUOTE=CraigFL;4465213]+100000000 I worked for the state of Florida processing food stamp apps. The number of 16- 20 year olds applying is ridiculous. I ended up changing occupations partly due to the incessant whining of how it's not fair that their parents income was counted (when they live at home with parents). This is the mind set of the future of America. Don't even get me started on the fact that Illegal alien's income doesn't count when determining benefits.[/QUOTE]

    If it was that bad why is Eric Holder demanding Florida to stop removing dead people and Mexicans from the voter registration rolls?

    We got these leftist scumbags on the ropes, don't sweat it.

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