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    [QUOTE=neevsmazda07;4363113]they want sharia to spread all over the world khan... all the way to our doorsteps.... :steamin:[/QUOTE]

    I disagree with the Iran = Darth Vader stuff.

    I think:


    Iran wants to be a regional superpower.

    Iran wants the Persian people to be the leaders of Islam.

    Iran wants Shia Muslims to be the leaders of the Islamic world.

    Iran wants a nuclear weapon because neither Iraq nor Afghanistan (Iran's neighbors) had a nuclear weapon and when the USA and NATO decided to invade and over throw their governments. Iraq and Afghanistan’s old leaders had to sit by and take it in the kiester. The lesson for Iraq was obvious: have a nuke and you’ll remain in power.

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    Hmmmm... Nothing on the attack on the Israeli embassy van?

    Everyone should be paying very close attention in the coming weeks...

    If Israel feels they have even a little latitude to call an attack on Iran 'retaliation' they'll go for it...

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    [QUOTE=AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite;4368284]Hmmmm... Nothing on the attack on the Israeli embassy van?

    Everyone should be paying very close attention in the coming weeks...

    If Israel feels they have even a little latitude to call an attack on Iran 'retaliation' they'll go for it...[/QUOTE]

    Israel can do what the want, leave the U.S out of it.

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4367604]Please point out the irrational actions that Islamic Republic of Iran have committed.[/QUOTE]

    I agree there was nothing irrational about taking over the US embassy and holding our embassy staff hostage to steal a populist revolution. There was nothing irrational about the recent attack and kidnappings at the British embassy or the return of the staff when they realized their blunder. There was nothing irrational about the purge that's gone on inside Iran after the uprising after the elections. The torture, murder and outright disapearance of people who were demonstrating their democratic rights in a "democratic" State was a rational response to a State under threat.

    These are rationally evil people running the regime with long range missles and the clear headed rational to use them if they think it in their interest.

    If they were simply irrational religous nut jobs that would be enough to keep them from getting nukes. The fact that they are very rational makes it a national imperative to keep them from getting nukes.
    Last edited by Winstonbiggs; 02-13-2012 at 03:22 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4367604]Please point out the irrational actions that Islamic Republic of Iran have committed.[/QUOTE]

    [url]http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/[/url]

    [b][BAYATOLLAH: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL
    Iran lays out legal case for genocidal attack against 'cancerous tumor'

    The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.

    The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.

    Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove “this corrupting material. It is a “‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.”

    The article, written by Alireza Forghani, an analyst and a strategy specialist in Khamenei’s camp, now is being run on most state-owned sites, including the Revolutionary Guards’ Fars News Agency, showing that the regime endorses this doctrine.
    Because Israel is going to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, Iran is justified in launching a pre-emptive, cataclysmic attack against the Jewish state, the doctrine argues.

    On Friday, in a major speech at prayers, Khamenei announced that Iran will support any nation or group that attacks the “cancerous tumor” of Israel. Though his statement was seen by some in the West as fluff, there is substance behind it.

    Iran’s Defense Ministry announced this weekend that it test-fired an advanced two-stage, solid-fuel ballistic missile and boasted about successfully putting a new satellite into orbit, reminding the West that its engineers have mastered the technology for intercontinental ballistic missiles even as the Islamic state pushes its nuclear weapons program.

    The commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Brig. Gen. Seyyed Mehdi Farahi, stated in August that the Safir missile, which is capable of transporting a satellite into space, can easily be launched parallel to the earth’s orbit, which will transform it into an intercontinental ballistic missile. Western analysts didn’t believe this would happen until 2015. Historically, orbiting a satellite is the criterion for crediting a nation with ICBM capability.

    Forghani details the Islamic duty of jihad as laid out in the Quran for the sake of Allah and states that “primary jihad,” according to some Shiite jurists, can only occur when the Hidden Imam, the Shiites’ 12th Imam Mahdi, returns. Shiites believe Mahdi’’s return will usher in Armageddon.

    In the absence of the hidden Imam, Forghani says, “defensive jihad” could certainly take place when Islam is threatened, and Muslims must defend Islam and kill their enemies. To justify such action, Alef quotes the Shiites’ first imam, Ali, who stated “Waging war against the enemies with whom war is inevitable and there is a strong possibility that in near future they will attack Muslims is a must and the duty of Muslims.” In this regard, Ayatollah Khamenei has issued a fatwa in which he has even authorized carrying out primary jihad in the age of the absence of the Hidden imam under the authorization of Vali Faghih.

    The article then quotes the Quran (Albaghara 2:191-193): “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers] … and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”

    It is the duty for all Muslims to participate in this defensive jihad, Forghani says. A fatwa by the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini made it clear that any political domination by infidels over Muslims authorizes Muslims to defend Islam by all means. Iran now has the ICBM means to deliver destruction on Israel and soon will have nuclear warheads for those missiles.

    In order to attack Iran, the article says, Israel needs the approval and assistance of America, and under the current passive climate in the United States, the opportunity must not be lost to wipe out Israel before it attacks Iran.

    Under this pre-emptive defensive doctrine, several Ground Zero points of Israel must be destroyed and its people annihilated. Forghani cites the last census by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics that shows Israel has a population of 7.5 million citizens of which a majority of 5.7 million are Jewish. Then it breaks down the districts with the highest concentration of Jewish people, indicating that three cities, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa, contain over 60 percent of the Jewish population that Iran could target with its Shahab 3 ballistic missiles, killing all its inhabitants.

    Forghani suggests that Iran’s Sejil missile, which is a two-stage rocket with a trajectory and speed that make it impossible to intercept, should target such Israeli facilities as: the Rafael nuclear plant, which is the main nuclear engineering center of Israel; the Eilun nuclear plant; another Israeli reactor in Nebrin; and the Dimona reactor in the nuclear research center in Neqeb, the most critical nuclear reactor in Israel because it produces 90 percent enriched uranium for Israel’s nuclear weapons.

    Other targets, according to the article, include airports and air force bases such as the Sedot Mikha Air Base, which contains Jericho ballistic missiles and is located southwest of the Tel Nof Air Base, where aircraft equipped with nuclear weapons are based. Secondary targets include power plants, sewage treatment facilities, energy resources, and transportation and communication infrastructures.

    Finally, Forghani says, Shahab 3 and Ghadr missiles can target urban settlements until the Israelis are wiped out.

    Forghani claims that Israel could be destroyed in less than nine minutes and that Khamenei, as utmost authority, the Velayete Faghih (Islamic Jurist), also believes that Israel and America not only must be defeated but annihilated.

    The radicals ruling Iran today not only posses over 1,000 ballistic missiles but are on the verge of ICBM delivery and have sufficient enriched uranium for six nuclear bombs even as they continue to highly enrich uranium despite four sets of U.N. sanctions.

    WND previously reported when Iran was warning of a coming great event.

    The Iranian secret documentary “The Coming Is Upon Us” clearly indicates that these radicals believe the destruction of Israel will trigger the coming of the last Islamic Messiah and that even Jesus Christ, who will convert to Islam, will act as Mahdi’s deputy, praying to Allah as he stands behind the 12th Imam.

    Reza Kahlili is a pseudonym for a former CIA operative in Iran’s Revolutionary Guard and author of the award-winning book, “A Time to Betray.” He is a senior fellow with EMPact America and teaches at the U.S. Department of Defense’s Joint Counterintelligence Training Academy.


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    Rational people... Very rational people.. :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;4369447][url]http://www.wnd.com/2012/02/ayatollah-kill-all-jews-annihilate-israel/[/url]

    [b][BAYATOLLAH: KILL ALL JEWS, ANNIHILATE ISRAEL
    Iran lays out legal case for genocidal attack against 'cancerous tumor'

    The Iranian government, through a website proxy, has laid out the legal and religious justification for the destruction of Israel and the slaughter of its people.

    The doctrine includes wiping out Israeli assets and Jewish people worldwide.

    Calling Israel a danger to Islam, the conservative website Alef, with ties to Iran’s supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said the opportunity must not be lost to remove “this corrupting material. It is a “‘jurisprudential justification” to kill all the Jews and annihilate Israel, and in that, the Islamic government of Iran must take the helm.”

    The article, written by Alireza Forghani, an analyst and a strategy specialist in Khamenei’s camp, now is being run on most state-owned sites, including the Revolutionary Guards’ Fars News Agency, showing that the regime endorses this doctrine.
    Because Israel is going to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities, Iran is justified in launching a pre-emptive, cataclysmic attack against the Jewish state, the doctrine argues.

    On Friday, in a major speech at prayers, Khamenei announced that Iran will support any nation or group that attacks the “cancerous tumor” of Israel. Though his statement was seen by some in the West as fluff, there is substance behind it.

    Iran’s Defense Ministry announced this weekend that it test-fired an advanced two-stage, solid-fuel ballistic missile and boasted about successfully putting a new satellite into orbit, reminding the West that its engineers have mastered the technology for intercontinental ballistic missiles even as the Islamic state pushes its nuclear weapons program.

    The commander of the Revolutionary Guards, Brig. Gen. Seyyed Mehdi Farahi, stated in August that the Safir missile, which is capable of transporting a satellite into space, can easily be launched parallel to the earth’s orbit, which will transform it into an intercontinental ballistic missile. Western analysts didn’t believe this would happen until 2015. Historically, orbiting a satellite is the criterion for crediting a nation with ICBM capability.

    Forghani details the Islamic duty of jihad as laid out in the Quran for the sake of Allah and states that “primary jihad,” according to some Shiite jurists, can only occur when the Hidden Imam, the Shiites’ 12th Imam Mahdi, returns. Shiites believe Mahdi’’s return will usher in Armageddon.

    In the absence of the hidden Imam, Forghani says, “defensive jihad” could certainly take place when Islam is threatened, and Muslims must defend Islam and kill their enemies. To justify such action, Alef quotes the Shiites’ first imam, Ali, who stated “Waging war against the enemies with whom war is inevitable and there is a strong possibility that in near future they will attack Muslims is a must and the duty of Muslims.” In this regard, Ayatollah Khamenei has issued a fatwa in which he has even authorized carrying out primary jihad in the age of the absence of the Hidden imam under the authorization of Vali Faghih.

    The article then quotes the Quran (Albaghara 2:191-193): “And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers] … and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah.”

    It is the duty for all Muslims to participate in this defensive jihad, Forghani says. A fatwa by the late Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini made it clear that any political domination by infidels over Muslims authorizes Muslims to defend Islam by all means. Iran now has the ICBM means to deliver destruction on Israel and soon will have nuclear warheads for those missiles.

    In order to attack Iran, the article says, Israel needs the approval and assistance of America, and under the current passive climate in the United States, the opportunity must not be lost to wipe out Israel before it attacks Iran.

    Under this pre-emptive defensive doctrine, several Ground Zero points of Israel must be destroyed and its people annihilated. Forghani cites the last census by the Israel Central Bureau of Statistics that shows Israel has a population of 7.5 million citizens of which a majority of 5.7 million are Jewish. Then it breaks down the districts with the highest concentration of Jewish people, indicating that three cities, Tel Aviv, Jerusalem and Haifa, contain over 60 percent of the Jewish population that Iran could target with its Shahab 3 ballistic missiles, killing all its inhabitants.

    Forghani suggests that Iran’s Sejil missile, which is a two-stage rocket with a trajectory and speed that make it impossible to intercept, should target such Israeli facilities as: the Rafael nuclear plant, which is the main nuclear engineering center of Israel; the Eilun nuclear plant; another Israeli reactor in Nebrin; and the Dimona reactor in the nuclear research center in Neqeb, the most critical nuclear reactor in Israel because it produces 90 percent enriched uranium for Israel’s nuclear weapons.

    Other targets, according to the article, include airports and air force bases such as the Sedot Mikha Air Base, which contains Jericho ballistic missiles and is located southwest of the Tel Nof Air Base, where aircraft equipped with nuclear weapons are based. Secondary targets include power plants, sewage treatment facilities, energy resources, and transportation and communication infrastructures.

    Finally, Forghani says, Shahab 3 and Ghadr missiles can target urban settlements until the Israelis are wiped out.

    Forghani claims that Israel could be destroyed in less than nine minutes and that Khamenei, as utmost authority, the Velayete Faghih (Islamic Jurist), also believes that Israel and America not only must be defeated but annihilated.

    The radicals ruling Iran today not only posses over 1,000 ballistic missiles but are on the verge of ICBM delivery and have sufficient enriched uranium for six nuclear bombs even as they continue to highly enrich uranium despite four sets of U.N. sanctions.

    WND previously reported when Iran was warning of a coming great event.

    The Iranian secret documentary “The Coming Is Upon Us” clearly indicates that these radicals believe the destruction of Israel will trigger the coming of the last Islamic Messiah and that even Jesus Christ, who will convert to Islam, will act as Mahdi’s deputy, praying to Allah as he stands behind the 12th Imam.

    Reza Kahlili is a pseudonym for a former CIA operative in Iran’s Revolutionary Guard and author of the award-winning book, “A Time to Betray.” He is a senior fellow with EMPact America and teaches at the U.S. Department of Defense’s Joint Counterintelligence Training Academy.


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    Rational people... Very rational people.. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    If writing and printing a bloodthirsty, racist, small minded document is an irrational [B]act[/B]... what does that make you?

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4369455]If writing and printing a bloodthirsty, racist, small minded document is an irrational [B]act[/B]... what does that make you?[/QUOTE]

    You're right, these are decent peaceful people that only write and print all Jews should be annihilated. Let them have their nukes....

    Get your head out of your @ss......

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;4369675]You're right, these are decent peaceful people that only write and print all Jews should be annihilated. Let them have their nukes....

    Get your head out of your @ss......[/QUOTE]

    Strange that people cant differentiate between a bunch of schmucks posting on a message board and bloodthirsty rants coming from a GOVERNMENT on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons. This is why it is so difficult to have intelligent conversations with liberals. The Ayatolla that put this stuff put is the Supreme LEADER of Iran.

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    If the Obama admin does end up finding a way to have SWIFT block Iranian transactions and gas prices soar, are our liberal friends okay with that?

    Of course they are... Go green and stop complaining dummy :rolleyes:

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    [QUOTE=chiefst2000;4369689]Strange that people cant differentiate between a bunch of schmucks posting on a message board and bloodthirsty rants coming from a GOVERNMENT on the verge of acquiring nuclear weapons. This is why it is so difficult to have intelligent conversations with liberals. The Ayatolla that put this stuff put is the Supreme LEADER of Iran.[/QUOTE]

    Iran is bad = Dean can be a insane racists

    Got it

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4369832]Iran is bad = Dean can be a insane racists

    Got it[/QUOTE]

    Thats what your buddy Buster indicated in his post. I'm just pointing out how silly that comparison is.

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    Anyone who thinks that this dog does not to be put down is nuts. I have a terrible feeling about this, as we cannot afford (in so many ways) another war, yet we actually, finally have a deserving country.

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4367608]It is so freaking awesome that you know and understand the deepest desires of 75 million Iranians.
    How many times have you been there?[/QUOTE]


    They have clearly expressed themselves through their various mouthpieces. They have done NOTHING - the people that is.
    That is why I compare them very closely to the Germans - a counrty I have visited (starting over 40 years ago) and did have an opportunity to converse with people - they knew, acknowledged and supported the actions of the Third Reich. The Iranians, if anything, are more radical than the Germans.
    And you have visited Iran how many times for your wimpy attitude towards their wonderful and innocent and peace loving citizens?

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    [QUOTE=Equilibrium;4367016]All neutron warheads, officially known as Enhanced Radiation Weapons, were retired from the US arsenal by about 1992.[/QUOTE]
    Dammit! Check eBay, man! :mad:

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    [QUOTE=Buster;4369455]If writing and printing a bloodthirsty, racist, small minded document is an irrational [B]act[/B]... what does that make you?[/QUOTE]
    GO back in your hole; and I'm a Lindsay Democrat. You are insane; the good folk of Iran are sitting ducks; the leaders are the ones pulling all these tricks and rattling the sabers. Those leaders need to go. The Iranians of means need to show some balls and start leaving that place. Let those hooded cowards face their own music.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4369832]Iran is bad = Dean can be a insane racists

    Got it[/QUOTE]

    I'm a racist?

    LMFAO.

    Tell that to my black employees...

    Everyone is treated equally by me, no one is treated with kid gloves because of race, gender or religion....

    cr726= Clown..

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;4369984]I'm a racist?

    LMFAO.

    Tell that to my black employees...[/QUOTE]

    Oh.

    So you have black people working for you? That makes everything better :P;)

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    Sure right after I talk to all of your black friends. :rolleyes:

    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;4369984]I'm a racist?

    LMFAO.

    Tell that to my black employees...

    Everyone is treated equally by me, no one is treated with kid gloves because of race, gender or religion....

    cr726= Clown..[/QUOTE]

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    [QUOTE=palmetto defender;4369941] [Germany,] a counrty I have visited (starting over 40 years ago) and did have an opportunity to converse with people - they knew, acknowledged and supported the actions of the Third Reich. [/QUOTE]

    Wait, what? That sounds mental, but please elaborate.

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4370257]Sure right after I talk to all of your black friends. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

    The point wasn't that have black employees numb nuts.

    The point was ask any minority that actually knows me how big of a racist I am....

    You know nothing about me so STFU.....

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