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    Guns Are Good For You

    Another gun thread.

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    [B]A record of more than 1.5 million background checks for customers looking to purchase a firearm were requested by gun dealers to the National Instant Background Check (NICS) system last December. [/B]About one-third of these occurred during the six weeks before Christmas. They had previously recorded a 49% rise in background checks during the week before President Obama was elected in 2008 compared with the same week one year earlier.
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    Whereas gun control proponents often argue that having a gun put people at risk because a criminal will take it away and use it against them, it seems the reality is more often to be the reverse situation. The Cato data contains only 11 stories out of 4,699 where a criminal took a gun away from a defender, but 277 where the intended victim disarmed the bad guy, although the authors acknowledge that these event reports may be printed more frequently due to newsworthiness.

    Still, it should also be remembered that the threatened party often has more motivation to fight back than a criminal hoping for an easy score. There were 25 news reports where armed rape attack victims ultimately got the upper hand, and 65 where this occurred in carjacking attempts.

    Then there is the argument that more private gun ownership will lead to more accidents because the average citizen isnít sufficiently trained to use a weapon defensively. While gun accidents do occur, the Cato study indicates that they are the most overstated risks. There were 535 accidental firearms deaths in 2006 within a population of almost 300 million people. Although every lost life is tragic, the proportion is not particularly startling.

    [B]On the other hand, Newsweek has reported that law-abiding American citizens using guns in self-defense during 2003 shot and killed two and one-half times as many criminals as police did, and with fewer than one-fifth as many incidents as police where an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal (2% versus 11%).
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    Finally, on the subject of public safety, just how well have gun bans worked in other countries? Take the number of home break-ins while residents are present as an indication. In Canada and Britain, both with tough gun-control laws, nearly half of all burglaries occur when residents are present. But in the U.S. where many households are armed, only about 13% happen when someone is home.
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    Read more. [url]http://www.forbes.com/sites/larrybell/2012/02/21/disarming-the-myths-promoted-by-the-gun-control-lobby/[/url]

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    Why do people feel the need to require law abiding, sane, US citizens to have permission to own fire arms, in places like NY, NJ, DC, Chicago?

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    [QUOTE=gunnails;4374888]Why do people feel the need to require law abiding, sane, US citizens to have permission to own fire arms, in places like NY, NJ, DC, Chicago?[/QUOTE]

    really???? You must see the logic as to why DC, NYC Chicago do not allow firearms.

    Not sure what the law is in suburban NY,NJ but cities ordinances against guns I see clearly and I carry.

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    [QUOTE=southparkcpa;4374908]really???? You must see the logic as to why DC, NYC Chicago do not allow firearms.

    Not sure what the law is in suburban NY,NJ but cities ordinances against guns I see clearly and I carry.[/QUOTE]

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    It is my view that if you are not a convicted felon, crazy, or a non US citizen then you should have unfettered access to firearms.

    What harm is there in having an armed law abiding populace.

    Why can I carry openly here in OR, yet not be trusted to do the same in Atlantic City?

    And DC, NY,NJ, and Chicago do allow firearms, they do put up road blocks to owning them such as registration and permits, and they do have discretion on who they will issue these too.

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    Gun manufacturers LOVE anti-gun laws.


    Why?


    Because it means their product sell for 300% on the black market.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4375043]Gun manufacturers LOVE anti-gun laws.


    Why?


    Because it means their product sell for 300% on the black market.[/QUOTE]

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    The manufacturers sell on the black market?
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    [QUOTE=gunnails;4374932]========================================

    It is my view that if you are not a convicted felon, crazy, or a non US citizen then you should have unfettered access to firearms.

    What harm is there in having an armed law abiding populace.

    Why can I carry openly here in OR, yet not be trusted to do the same in Atlantic City?

    And DC, NY,NJ, and Chicago do allow firearms, they do put up road blocks to owning them such as registration and permits, and they do have discretion on who they will issue these too.[/QUOTE]

    States rights issue..but I have no strong opinions here but I absolutely respect NYC and DC 's right to forbid gun carry. BTW...you CAN have a gun in your home in DC just not in public.

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    [QUOTE=gunnails;4374888]Why do people feel the need to require law abiding, sane, US citizens to have permission to own fire arms, in places like NY, NJ, DC, Chicago?[/QUOTE]

    I think people that aren't felons or crazy should have the right to buy a gun but you need a permit/license program to be able to figure out who the felons and crazy people are don't you?

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4375043]Gun manufacturers LOVE anti-gun laws.


    Why?


    Because it means their product sell for 300% on the black market.[/QUOTE]

    Criminals love anti-gun laws.


    Why?

    Because no one else has a gun to protect themselves.....

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    [QUOTE=gunnails;4375104]========================================
    The manufacturers sell on the black market?[/QUOTE]

    Too funny.

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    [QUOTE=gunnails;4374932]========================================

    It is my view that if you are not a convicted felon, crazy, or a non US citizen then you should have unfettered access to firearms.

    What harm is there in having an armed law abiding populace.

    Why can I carry openly here in OR, yet not be trusted to do the same in Atlantic City?

    And DC, NY,NJ, and Chicago do allow firearms, they do put up road blocks to owning them such as registration and permits, and they do have discretion on who they will issue these too.[/QUOTE]


    this is the one thing i love about living in florida... i can have almost any civilian issued firearm and still be able to protect my family/ property with the "castle" law... :yes:

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;4375380]Criminals love anti-gun laws.


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    Because no one else has a gun to protect themselves.....[/QUOTE]

    Gun and ammo manufactures loved the rightwinger gut nuts who wanted to believe Obama was going to take away all the guns. Remember that? :yes:

    [url]http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2008/11/08/ammunition-price-increases-bad-and-getting-worse/[/url]

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    [QUOTE=DeanPatsFan;4375380]Criminals love anti-gun laws.


    Why?

    Because no one else has a gun to protect themselves.....[/QUOTE]

    That and they compensate for tiny peens at a much lower cost than a Hummer H2 :yes:

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    [QUOTE=cr726;4376054]Gun and ammo manufactures loved the rightwinger gut nuts who wanted to believe Obama was going to take away all the guns. Remember that? :yes:

    [url]http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2008/11/08/ammunition-price-increases-bad-and-getting-worse/[/url][/QUOTE]

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    Gun rights have expanded under Obama, thanks to Obama we now have the right to carry in national parks.

    But there was and still is a perception of many in the gun community that he would limit gun rights, which resulted in ammunition hoarding and increased gun sales right before he took office.

    Guns are holding there value, not so much hunting rifles, but shotguns, handguns, and any rifle that looks tacticool are selling on the used market for nearly as much as new ones.

    Saiga a Russian gun manufacturer who makes an AK style shotgun were temporarily banned from import by the ATFE, they were originally selling for around $450, but because of the temporary ban the prices shot up to nearly$2000. People panic.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4376074]That and they compensate for tiny peens at a much lower cost than a Hummer H2 :yes:[/QUOTE]

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    I think there is some truth to your statement, then again there a million self defense success a year also. Guns are good.


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    A widely-known study conducted by Gary Kleck and Marc Gertz in the 1990s found that there were somewhere between 830,000 and 2.45 million U.S. defensive gun uses annually. A National Crime Victimization Study (NCVS) which asked victims if they had used a gun in self-defense found that about 108,000 each year had done so. A big problem with the NCVS line of survey reasoning, however, is that it only includes those uses where a citizen kills a criminal, not when one is only wounded, is held by the intended victim until police arrive, or when brandishing a gun caused a criminal to flee.
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    Granted not all gun owners are real bright.


    [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUacUmhI7U4&feature=youtu.be[/url]

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    Guns are good..

    [IMG]http://www.veteranstoday.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/BrassSweeper-640x410.jpg[/IMG]
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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4376074]That and they compensate for tiny peens at a much lower cost than a Hummer H2 :yes:[/QUOTE]

    LOL...you can't seriously think gun owners own guns for that reason bro. I have a mossberg .20 gage home protector for 3 reasons and 3 reasons only: my wife, my son, and my other son.

    Now, I'm not saying I wouldn't welcome another inch or so on the schween, but the gun is simply for plugging sorryass threatening lowlifes, and nothing more.

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    [QUOTE=PlumberKhan;4376074]That and they compensate for tiny peens at a much lower cost than a Hummer H2 :yes:[/QUOTE]

    Do you know how many women own guns?

    I don't know, maybe they compensate for a flat chest at a much lower cost than a Miata......

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    [QUOTE=shakin318;4376105]LOL...you can't seriously think gun owners own guns for that reason bro.[/QUOTE]

    I don't. I was being facetious. :P

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