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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    Timeline of United States military operations
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ary_operations

    Arab-Israeli Wars (1948-Present)
    http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html

    Peep these inks vice the LOL and then refute the data. Funny how the people that trumpet war the loudest, don't put themselves up to do battle.

    If war is such a LOL, send your family. I will gladly reach into my rifle collection to assist.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism

    With peaceful neighbors like these, who needs enemies?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    Timeline of United States military operations
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ary_operations

    Arab-Israeli Wars (1948-Present)
    http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html

    Peep these inks vice the LOL and then refute the data. Funny how the people that trumpet war the loudest, don't put themselves up to do battle.

    If war is such a LOL, send your family. I will gladly reach into my rifle collection to assist.
    As for your links:

    1948 - started by the Arab states

    Israeli War of Independence/ "al-Nakba" (The Disaster) (1948-1949)--Upon independence, Israel was invaded by the armies of six Arab nations: Egypt, Syria, Transjordan (later Jordan), Lebanon, Iraq and Saudi Arabia. In addition, local Arab Palestinian forces also fought the Jewish Israelis.
    1967: Egypt commits an act of war before Israel fires a shot

    1972:

    In a surprise attack launched on the Jewish Yom Kippur holiday (the dates also fell on the Muslim Ramadan holiday), Egypt and Syria attacked Israel. Despite aid from Iraq, the Arab forces failed to defeat Israel.
    1982: Israel goes into Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from the PLO's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon

    1991: Israel sits out the Gulf War and is nevertheless attacked by Iraq

    2006: Israel invades Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from Hezbollah's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon

    2008: Israel invades Gaza after repeated cross border attacks from Hamas (the elected government in Gaza).

    Yep, damn those Israeli aggressors. It all started when the Israelis hit back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    Timeline of United States military operations
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timelin...ary_operations

    Arab-Israeli Wars (1948-Present)
    http://www.historyguy.com/arab_israeli_wars.html

    Peep these inks vice the LOL and then refute the data. Funny how the people that trumpet war the loudest, don't put themselves up to do battle.

    If war is such a LOL, send your family. I will gladly reach into my rifle collection to assist.
    Not sure what any of this has to do with your "Furthermore, Iran has been for the last 100 years a peaceful neighbor."

    Iran was controlled by the Shah through 1979. The Shah was friendly to both the USA and Israel. Since the takeover by the Ayatollas they have funded a proxy war against Israel through their surrogate Hezbollah. They continue to fund and are the Hamas terrorists in the south as well. They have orchestrated attacks against US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as taking hundreds of Americans hostage. You consider that a peaceful neighbor? Then you post a list of wars that took place prior to 1979 as your evidence? Are you serious? There are people here that understand these issues. If you want to speak on a topic with some seriousness you should research the topic before you speak.

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    Quote Originally Posted by quantum View Post
    From what I've read, it was introduced into that network by someone friendly to the West and/or Israel. I'd be willing to bet that the AV signature was released as soon as the Iranians discovered it. I wouldn't worry about it destroying the Innernetz...
    Per the people at Homeland Security, they're very worried indeed. The recipe for how to target our own infrastructure has been laid out for our enemies to exploit. Don't be surprised if some major dam shuts down or an electrical grid... there was real concern that once this methodology was out there it would be a boomerang.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_and_state_terrorism

    With peaceful neighbors like these, who needs enemies?

    "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." JFK 1962.

    Once again your truth is only partially correct. Iran took back their democratically elected gov't that was overthrown in 1953. 22 years of the brutal Shah regime was enough for the Iranians.

    More reason why the USA does not need 'entangling alliances' as Jefferson stated.

    Furthermore, Israel is not a 'peaceful' neighbor as my previously posted link informed some here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiefst2000 View Post
    Not sure what any of this has to do with your "Furthermore, Iran has been for the last 100 years a peaceful neighbor."

    Iran was controlled by the Shah through 1979. The Shah was friendly to both the USA and Israel. Since the takeover by the Ayatollas they have funded a proxy war against Israel through their surrogate Hezbollah. They continue to fund and are the Hamas terrorists in the south as well. They have orchestrated attacks against US troops in Iraq and Afghanistan as well as taking hundreds of Americans hostage. You consider that a peaceful neighbor? Then you post a list of wars that took place prior to 1979 as your evidence? Are you serious? There are people here that understand these issues. If you want to speak on a topic with some seriousness you should research the topic before you speak.
    The Shah was nothing more than a puppet for the USA. His regime was brutal to the Iranian people:

    http://www.angelfire.com/home/iran/savak.html

    If you understood the seriousness of the situation you would gather all of the facts and then post something that people here could learn from. I really don't care what or where the nation is, the USA should not be taking US tax payer dollars and support dictators that the victimized nation(s) do not like.

    Too much downside in that equation.

    As for my seriousness, I spent 6 yeas as a US Marine. I have a degree in engineering and I run my own business. That is a boat load of 'seriousness' right there imo for starters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    As for your links:

    1948 - started by the Arab states

    1967: Egypt commits an act of war before Israel fires a shot

    1972:

    1982: Israel goes into Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from the PLO's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon

    1991: Israel sits out the Gulf War and is nevertheless attacked by Iraq

    2006: Israel invades Lebanon after repeated cross-border attacks from Hezbollah's state-within-a-state in Southern Lebanon

    2008: Israel invades Gaza after repeated cross border attacks from Hamas (the elected government in Gaza).

    Yep, damn those Israeli aggressors. It all started when the Israelis hit back.
    You omitted this part:



    I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Trades View Post
    I think this is the image you are looking for...

    Another proud veteran:

    Lieutenant James Earle Carter, Jr., USN
    http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-14.htm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    You omitted this part:



    I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.
    How did Palestine lose land that it didn't own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysGreenAlwaysWhite View Post
    How did Palestine lose land that it didn't own?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British..._for_Palestine

    Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British..._for_Palestine

    Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?
    Nvm. Not even worth it...

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

    listing any conflict between Israel and Lebanon without taking into account
    the uncountable violations, such as Israeli jets flying all over there air space
    is rather disingenuous. much like reporting of violence by militants is often
    mentioned with the laughable phrase "after a lull in the violence". As if no
    violence against by the colonial power the day before, the week before, and
    the month before does not count. On both sides there are those who want
    peace and those who have zero interest in peace. The problem is the
    people in the drivers seat on both sides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    You omitted this part:



    I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.
    I didn't realize those dirty jews stole the land from the state of Palestine. Their president should be ashamed he let it happen. Wait, who was the President of the State of Palestine in 1946? I wiki'd it but the Country of Palestine doesn't show up.

    In all seriousness thank you for your unbiased information from some fabricated jpg from an anti-semitic website called zionism explained. Do you have any information on why the Germans gassed 6 million jews in the Holocaust? Maybe you can go to the Nazi Party website and get us some information. I heard those jews were plotting something so thats why they had to burn. You agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    You omitted this part:



    I do believe that there are some folks out there that would be against the aggressive land grab here.
    LOL again. Palestinians chose war - and lost. Repeatedly. There are consequences to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British..._for_Palestine

    Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?
    If I just bought a house from Mrs. Jetdawgg, did she lose land?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jetdawgg View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British..._for_Palestine

    Just where do you guys get your information from? The neocons?
    Says the guy taking information from sites that blame Israel for 9/11

    Note: your wikipedia link doesn't refer to anything as "Palestinian Land" . . . you may want to read your sources a bit more closely next time

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    Quote Originally Posted by sunmou View Post
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suez_Crisis

    listing any conflict between Israel and Lebanon without taking into account
    the uncountable violations, such as Israeli jets flying all over there air space
    is rather disingenuous. much like reporting of violence by militants is often
    mentioned with the laughable phrase "after a lull in the violence". As if no
    violence against by the colonial power the day before, the week before, and
    the month before does not count. On both sides there are those who want
    peace and those who have zero interest in peace. The problem is the
    people in the drivers seat on both sides.
    Israeli jets were overflying Lebanon when the PLO was lobbing bombs in 82? Overflying Egypt when Nasser ordered Od Bull to pull the Peacekeepers out of the Sinai in 67? Overflying Syria and Egypt in 1972?

    Lebanon, today, has a terrorist organization armed with rockets and missiles sitting in its southern territory. The day Lebanon exercises its sovereignty over south Lebanon by enforcing a monopoly on the use of force is the day Israeli jets can stop overflying the south.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    If I just bought a house from Mrs. Jetdawgg, did she lose land?
    Only because GMC bought the land first...for his new summer home

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winstonbiggs View Post
    If I just bought a house from Mrs. Jetdawgg, did she lose land?
    YES!

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    Quote Originally Posted by doggin94it View Post
    Israeli jets were overflying Lebanon when the PLO was lobbing bombs in 82? Overflying Egypt when Nasser ordered Od Bull to pull the Peacekeepers out of the Sinai in 67? Overflying Syria and Egypt in 1972?

    Lebanon, today, has a terrorist organization armed with rockets and missiles sitting in its southern territory. The day Lebanon exercises its sovereignty over south Lebanon by enforcing a monopoly on the use of force is the day Israeli jets can stop overflying the south.
    You are correct, Israel was not violating Lebanon weekly in 82. I should have been more clear but i posted while stoned, which explains why i would even get into such a misfit argument. I just fail to understand why the United States should attack Iran because some Israeli's (not all) are claiming Iran is making an nuke. I guess war is the health of the state, pax americana.

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