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    [QUOTE=C Mart;4382828]Join me in "The Jets Need to Draft Mark Barron in the 1st Round Club"...It's free! :D[/QUOTE] Sign me up as a charter member :)

    Barron looks like a great fit, he is decent value at 16, fills a massive hole in the center of the Jets D, and is probably the only rookie starting safety in the draft

    San Francisco just used it's franchise tag on safety Dashon Goldson ($6.2 million)
    Oakland just used it's franchise tag on safety Tyvon Branch ($6.2 million)

    so maybe it is a valuable position :rolleyes:

    Last year we had to watch that final Tebow TD drive (Smith's shoes are still in Denver) a Cruz 99 yard TD on 3rd and 17 and a few other 4Q gems that may have been avoided with a starting caliber safety

    Sometimes the simple answer is the best: "Red Barron provides air support for Revis Island" :yes:


    Heath Miller recovered from pre-draft hernia surgery and has been just fine (too bad the Jets selected Justin Miller)
    Last edited by Ohio State NY Jets fan; 03-03-2012 at 01:48 PM.

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    [QUOTE=Ohio State NY Jets fan;4382897]Sign me up as a charter member :)

    Barron looks like a great fit, he is decent value at 16, fills a massive hole in the center of the Jets D, and is probably the only rookie starting safety in the draft

    San Francisco just used it's franchise tag on safety Dashon Goldson ($6.2 million)
    Oakland just used it's franchise tag on safety Tyvon Branch ($6.2 million)

    so maybe it is a valuable position :rolleyes:

    Last year we had to watch that final Tebow TD drive (Smith's shoes are still in Denver) a Cruz 99 yard TD on 3rd and 17 and a few other 4Q gems that may have been avoided with a starting caliber safety

    Sometimes the simple answer is the best: "Red Barron provides air support for Revis Island" :yes:


    Heath Miller recovered from pre-draft hernia surgery and has been just fine (too bad the Jets selected Justin Miller)[/QUOTE]

    Red Barron?? Okay Snoppy. :)

    Agree with you 100%. Btw, I remember when we didn't take Heath Miller. Talk about being pissed. :steamin:

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    [QUOTE=jetssjumets;4382942]Red Barron?? Okay Snoppy. :)

    Agree with you 100%. Btw, I remember when we didn't take Heath Miller. Talk about being pissed. :steamin:[/QUOTE] LOL, yea guess I should slow down on the suds, it may be a bit early but it is after noon :beers:

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    I like the Barron kid ... Barron AND Landry ??


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    [QUOTE=Dunnie;4382980]I like the Barron kid ... Barron AND Landry ??


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    No on Landry. While he is a hard hitter and plays physical, he is terrible in pass coverage and he is often injured. We need a safety that can play on the field not miss chunks of games at a time due to nagging injuries. Pass.

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    Barron is not the only starting caliber safety in the draft. I like Martin and Ileoka size and playmaking ability more, anyway. The first round value at safety is very rare.... Reed and Polamaleau, notwithstanding, who were picked later in the first. Barron was just one player on a very good defense, Martin and Ileoka stood out more on their respective defenses, and had to make up for more overall deficiencies, in my opinion. The Jets can get a very serviceable guy in FA, then draft a safety in the 3rd or 4th round, and be better off. Landry is ridiculously overrated, a liability in coverage, injury prone, and his one saving grace.... being a "big hitter", is the one thing the Jets already have in Smith..... not an upgrade, and too expensive.

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    This Mark Barron stuff has got to stop.

    He's very overrated on this board. He's not the type of safety we need. He's strong and physical, is a good run stopper, but he isn't great on coverage.

    Dude is a bigger, more athletic version of Jim Leonhard. That's not the type of Safety we need. We need a ballhawking saftey, who excels in coverage.

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    [QUOTE=King P;4383037]This Mark Barron stuff has got to stop.

    He's very overrated on this board. He's not the type of safety we need. He's strong and physical, is a good run stopper, but he isn't great on coverage.

    Dude is a bigger, more athletic version of Jim Leonhard. That's not the type of Safety we need. We need a ballhawking saftey, who excels in coverage.[/QUOTE]

    This is a paragraph taken from the article CMart posted earlier today on Barron. I think the quote is attributable to Todd McShay:

    [I]“[B]He is physical. He will come up and hit you[/B],” McShay said. “[B]The thing about Barron is there is no aspect of the game that he doesn’t do well[/B]. He’s not the best cover safety, if you will. He has some limitations in terms of man-to-man, [B][U]but he can cover the tight end[/U][/B]. He has good range in terms of being back. In being the high man in the three-safety or three-defensive-backs look, he comes up and is physical against the run. He can play in the box.[/I]

    Please pay particular attention to the bolded points in the quote. Sounds to me exactly what the Jets need especailly covering the TE (we play NE twice/yr; hopefully, 3). In addition, he comes from a solid football program. Those kids on Bama can ball.

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    [QUOTE=King P;4383037]This Mark Barron stuff has got to stop.

    He's very overrated on this board. He's not the type of safety we need. He's strong and physical, is a good run stopper, but he isn't great on coverage.

    Dude is a bigger, more athletic version of Jim Leonhard. That's not the type of Safety we need. We need a ballhawking saftey, who excels in coverage.[/QUOTE]


    Exactly, check out some film on Martin (OSU) and Ileoka (BSU). THEY are the type of safety the Jets need. Don't let team accomplishments blind you to the fact that these guys can play.

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    [QUOTE=jetssjumets;4383046]This is a paragraph taken from the article CMart posted earlier today on Barron. I think the quote is attributable to Todd McShay:

    [I]“[B]He is physical. He will come up and hit you[/B],” McShay said. “[B]The thing about Barron is there is no aspect of the game that he doesn’t do well[/B]. He’s not the best cover safety, if you will. He has some limitations in terms of man-to-man, [B][U]but he can cover the tight end[/U][/B]. He has good range in terms of being back. In being the high man in the three-safety or three-defensive-backs look, he comes up and is physical against the run. He can play in the box.[/I]

    Please pay particular attention to the bolded points in the quote. Sounds to me exactly what the Jets need especailly covering the TE (we play NE twice/yr; hopefully, 3). In addition, he comes from a solid football program. Those kids on Bama can ball.[/QUOTE]
    I've watched plenty of Alabama games. Barron's coverage skills are average at best. He was helped out by having Lester (who has very good cover skills) with him in the backfield. He benefitted from Alabama's system. If I have to watch Barron cover Gronkowski, I'm gonna be pulling my hair out.

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    [QUOTE=jetssjumets;4383046]This is a paragraph taken from the article CMart posted earlier today on Barron. I think the quote is attributable to Todd McShay:

    [I]“[B]He is physical. He will come up and hit you[/B],” McShay said. “[B]The thing about Barron is there is no aspect of the game that he doesn’t do well[/B]. He’s not the best cover safety, if you will. He has some limitations in terms of man-to-man, [B][U]but he can cover the tight end[/U][/B]. He has good range in terms of being back. In being the high man in the three-safety or three-defensive-backs look, he comes up and is physical against the run. He can play in the box.[/I]

    Please pay particular attention to the bolded points in the quote. Sounds to me exactly what the Jets need especailly covering the TE (we play NE twice/yr; hopefully, 3). In addition, he comes from a solid football program. Those kids on Bama can ball.[/QUOTE]


    I have watched him, and I don't see him covering tight ends well, except when his front seven is already in the opposing team's backfield. Big shocker, an ESPN employee thinks that an SEC guy is great.... I don't buy into any ESPN assessment..... they ALL toe the company line.
    What do you base the "Bama kids can ball" on? Again, taking team accomplishments and contributing it to individuals.

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    The type of Safety that we need!

    Thomas DeCoud, The Type We Need!
    by David_Wyatt on Mar 3, 2012 2:40 PM EST

    I've heard a lot of talk over the past few months about this free agent safety class, the pining for a Michael Griffin or Laron Landry but apart from one person on twitter, nobody has mentioned Atlanta Falcons free agent safety Thomas DeCoud. I have absolutely no idea why, he ticks all the boxes. He is young (26), a free agent, a player coming off a productive season (86 tackles, 4 interceptions, 6 passes defended) won't command a ton of money and is a three year starter.

    Oh did I mention that he specialises in being a cover safety, that's his forte. He's known as more of a centre fielder. As a 3 year starter he has 8 interceptions and four forced fumbles. He is not a polished article of course, he can be known to go for a big hit instead of wrapping up, he can take some bad angles to the football and he drops some interceptions that he should be bringing in. However he doesn't do any of the bad things as much as he covers opposing players getting into positions to make a play on the football.

    I think the bottom line is that Thomas DeCoud has been improving every year with the Falcons, to a point where he had a better year in 2011 than Michael Griffin. We have safeties who can come up and play in the box and stop the run, we desperately need a safety who can make some plays on the ball in safety. A physical guy who has good size (6-2, 195lb's) who has upside.

    I remember DeCoud coming out of California in 2008, he was known as a developmental player who would only improve with reps. A cover guy first and foremost who could cover tight ends and running backs coming out in the flat. He will miss some tackles because he wants to put you down and will always go for that knockout blow but if he keeps improving in the manner he has he can be a real asset in 2012 and beyond, especially for a team that needs a cover safety.

    Michael Griffin gets the attention as a former first round guy and a name, and don't get me wrong I wouldn't say no to bringing him in. Laron Landry is a good football player, but better in the box than out in coverage, and again as a former first round pick and a name he is getting a lot of attention. Atlanta just tagged Grimes so DeCoud will hit free agency. I would love to bring him in.

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    [QUOTE=jetssjumets;4382891]Thanks. Reaffirming why, if I am the Jets, I take him at 16. So the question begs to be asked given the information you just posted. If he is still on the board at #13, if you are the Jets, do you move up and grab him like we did with Revis? Or, wait and see if he falls to us at 16?[/QUOTE]

    Dude calm down on Barron, dude might be a good player in the NFL, but he couldn't hold Revis' jock, he is also overrated because of the lack of talent at S in this draft, if he came out next season he wouldn't even be considered to be in the top 5 at the Safety position. If the Jets trade up to get Barron the whole front office should be fired on the spot, if they take him at 16 they should also be fired, if they want Barron they better trade back.

    The guys biggest weakness is man coverage, hmmmm what does Rex like to do? He is a SS, the Jets need a FS, they can get away with keeping Smith, and signing Leohnard at SS, either draft a FS in round 3, or sign a 1 year rental at FA. Then next year go all in at FS in the 2013 draft, and get 1 of those 3 studs coming out.

    Tony Jefferson OU
    TJ McDonald USC
    Tyron Mathieu LSU (some predict he will be a S in the NFL)
    Robert Lester Alabama
    Eric Reid LSU
    Baccari Rambo Georgia
    Ray Ray Armstromg Miami (serious off field issues, but talent is off the charts)
    Matt Elam Florida


    Barron would have a tough time getting drafted in the 2nd round against next seasons draft class IMO. So just wait one more season to draft a S high.

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    [QUOTE=Laxman;4383047]Exactly, check out some film on Martin (OSU) and Ileoka (BSU). THEY are the type of safety the Jets need. Don't let team accomplishments blind you to the fact that these guys can play.[/QUOTE]

    According to Tony Pauline Ileoka had a bad workout at the combine. Mayock labeled this draft class as brutal for S but still rates Barron with a 1st round grade. He also liked Harrison smith.

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    [QUOTE=C Mart;4383192]According to Tony Pauline Ileoka had a bad workout at the combine. Mayock labeled this draft class as brutal for S but still rates Barron with a 1st round grade. He also liked Harrison smith.[/QUOTE]

    I am onboard with Barron and TRACY WILSON in our secondary next year. Wilson came to us after the supplemental draft and he could have been a second round pick in this draft if he stayed in school. We must upgrade this position(s). I also think that between RICKY SAPP and MAYBIN our passrush will take on a new look. The secondary will be that much better with a great passrush! We can do it!

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    [QUOTE=Kentucky Jet;4383200]I am onboard with Barron and TRACY WILSON in our secondary next year. Wilson came to us after the supplemental draft and he could have been a second round pick in this draft if he stayed in school. We must upgrade this position(s). I also think that between RICKY SAPP and MAYBIN our passrush will take on a new look. The secondary will be that much better with a great passrush! We can do it![/QUOTE]

    And OLB McClellin in the 2nd round. Read up on him. He's perfect for the Jets D.

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    I like the kids mentioned Barron, Landry. The other safety that intrigues me is the the one out of Notre Dame, name just slipped my min (Smith). Could be good against the TE.

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    Just got back from running round town lookin for tires for the SUV gotta wait till monday or next weekend, but this topic is very intresting I've seen this
    kid Barron play a few times last season, and the uninamous decisions seems to be Mark Barron as the next Jet safety if available at 16..

    I am in on the Barron to the Jets talk then...if available

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    I think it is time to consider Cromarte at FS.

    His skills at CB have declined and with his height and long arms he could improve the S position overall. He also would help more at S against gronkowski than at CB.

    Leonard is DONE. We cant rely on the (very) little guy anymore - sadly. His best years are definitely behond him and he should be groomed at a DB coach very soon.

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    [QUOTE=Schroy48;4383251]I think it is time to consider Cromarte at FS.

    His skills at CB have declined and with his height and long arms he could improve the S position overall. He also would help more at S against gronkowski than at CB.

    Leonard is DONE. We cant rely on the (very) little guy anymore - sadly. His best years are definitely behond him and he should be groomed at a DB coach very soon.[/QUOTE]

    ????? Cromartie is a stellar cover corner. One of the best in the league.


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