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    PFF's Jets Team Needs 2012

    I like the Anthony Collins suggestion as a RT replacement. OLB, I'm hoping we address through the draft.[QUOTE=ProFootballFocus]The Jets were one of the more disappointing teams in 2011. After two straight championship game losses, they failed to make the playoffs. Within their division the Patriots made it to another Super Bowl, and the Dolphins look like an up and coming team. In order for the Jets to keep up they will either need some players to have some dramatic improvement, or they’ll need to bring in some new players.

    New York has shown no problems in the past bringing in talent from other teams, as seven of their projected 22 starters have played elsewhere as well as a number of other role players. Now the only question is if they upgrade the positions that need upgrading. They have publicly showed support in the players that are weak points of the team. If they are being honest then these positions won’t be upgraded. However they could be deceiving the media like teams often do, in which we could see a somewhat different Jets team in 2012.

    [B]Primary Need: Quarterback[/B]

    Over the last few years there have been a handful of quarterbacks that start day one and work out well for the franchise. Mark Sanchez hasn’t exactly been one of those quarterbacks. He’s gotten a little bit of a pass his first two seasons because in the playoffs he has had a +5.3 overall rating. However, in his first two regular seasons he had a -31.8 overall rating. You would expect some improvement by year three, but when he was under pressure in 2011 he completed just 36.1% of his passes for 3.4 yards per attempt. Only one quarterback had a worse overall rating in 2011, and if they don’t bring in someone to replace him, he could at least use some competition.

    While rumors have been floating around with various free agent quarterbacks possibly ending up in New York, one name that comes to mind is David Garrard. The Jets don’t look like a team that is rebuilding, remaining a franchise that wants to win now. Most of the other free agent quarterbacks are either younger, or just not as good as Garrard was in the past. In 2010 he had an Accuracy Percentage of 74.6, and it would probably be higher with the Jets players surrounding him than what Jacksonville had. Of course, the looming prospect of Peyton Manning becoming free, having him in New York would make the league a lot more interesting.

    [B]Secondary Need: Right Tackle[/B]

    The Jets have been known in recent years for having one of the better offensive lines for good reason. Nick Mangold (+26.0) has been the most consistent center over the last four years, and Brandon Moore (+5.4) accomplished the rare feat of going an entire season without allowing a sack or hit. D’Brickashaw Ferguson (+1.5) only once in a while has a poor game pass protecting. The only problem is Damien Woody was one of the top right tackles in the game, and his replacement, Wayne Hunter (-31.1), allowed 11 sacks, 11 hits and 32 pressures.

    If the members of Pro Football Focus were general managers of various NFL teams, then Anthony Collins of the Bengals would become a rich man this offseason. He is clearly the most intriguing talent at the right tackle position in free agency. For the last three years he has been sitting behind Andrew Whitworth and Andre Smith on the Bengals depth chart, so in 2011 he played significant time in just three games. During that time he only allowed one pressure, which included holding Chris Long who led the league in overall pressure this year to one of his worst pass rushing games of the season. He would be able to greatly improve the Jets offensive line and make whoever is playing quarterback’s life a lot easier.

    [B]Tertiary Need: Outside Linebacker[/B]

    In 2010, the Jets top rated pass rushers of Shaun Ellis and Trevor Pryce were firmly in the twilight of their successful careers. Neither player was on the roster in 2011 as the team sought to get younger at the position. Their leader in sacks was Bryan Thomas, who had an odd stat line of eight sacks, zero hits and 14 pressures. He missed most of 2011 with a torn Achilles tendon, will be 33 by next season and is an unrestricted free agent. If they lose him, then they also lose his run stopping skills, and only Aaron Maybin (+4.6) was a viable pass rusher in 2011.

    While some rumors have linked Jarrett Johnson (+19.2) to the Jets, a younger player that would also make an interesting fit is Manny Lawson (+10.6). In the middle of the 2009 season, he developed into a strong pass rusher in the 49ers 3-4 defense, which continued into 2010. In 2010 he has a Pass Rushing Productivity of 10.2, which is significantly higher than Calvin Pace’s 7.1 last year. In 2011 he joined the Bengals, and as a 4-3 strong side linebacker he ended up with a +8.0 run defense rating. He would fit nicely across from Maybin on passing downs rushing the quarterback as well as playing across from Pace on run downs.[/QUOTE]

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    Nice read. Never heard of Anthony Collins. Anyone know about him?

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    4th round pick out of Kansas in 2008. 6'5", 315. He is essentially blocked in Cincy because Andrew Whitworth is one of the 5 best OTs in football and Andre Smith was their 6th overall pick in 09.

    In 378 snaps the past 2 years at RT, he hasn't given up a sack or hit on the QB, and only 4 pressures.

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    I stopped reading after primary need listed as qb.

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    [QUOTE=NYJ37/12;4384374]I stopped reading after primary need listed as qb.[/QUOTE]

    Here here.

    I'd still reverse OLB and RT, although the rt the author mentions is intriguing. If he can be had in the third, I'd love to see us go best available pass rush in the first, best available wr/safety in the second, best available rt/wr/s in the third, etc etc.

    Qb as first priority is ridiculous. Even as a stop gap, Sanchez wouldn't make it first priority.

    Goofy.

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    The Jets have a LOT of needs, more than the team wanted to admit over the last few years. Starting QB is not one of them at this point. They must either get a decent backup capable of playing in this league or go for the homerun in Manning (unlikely).

    The needs include:

    RT - Dumb decisions to keep hunter, the guy sucks and if you suck as a starter you are no good as a backup. They have to address in FA or draft a guy that can play RT.

    RB - LT is gone and over the last few years he made a lot of big plays for the team. Greene needs to be pushed, Powell is probably not the answer, McKnight can be a 3rd down back.

    WR - Burress is probably gone, they have to sign a cheap vet and or draft a WR or two.

    TE - Mulligan we all know was hot garbage last year. Later round pick on a blocking TE

    OLB - Maybin, another teams cast off showed how helpful a pass rush from olb is for this team. I don't care if a guy is a one trick pony we need another pass rusher at olb.

    Safety - Leonard is older, injured and possibly done. Smith is horrendous. The Jets need at least 2 new safeties next year via the draft or via FA.

    Kicking game - The jets have had a merry go round the last number of years in the kicking game. Time to draft some thunder footed kicker or other.

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    he rips Sanchez for having a poor accuracy and ypa while under pressure. hes entitled to his opinion. but then he the he says how hunter was terrible. does he not see the connection between two? hopefully fixing the rt will help.

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    If this Collins guy is good, I'd be down to sign him. We need to upgrade at RT, I really hope the Jets aren't serious about Hunter and Ducasse being the guys next yaer.

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    [QUOTE=Play2Win;4384419]he rips Sanchez for having a poor accuracy and ypa while under pressure. hes entitled to his opinion. but then he the he says how hunter was terrible. does he not see the connection between two? hopefully fixing the rt will help.[/QUOTE]

    You seem to miss the point. Every QB faces some pressure. Sanchez faced very little pressure his first two years thanks to one of the top OLs in the league, and about league-average amount last year.

    The problem is that Sanchez is one of the worst QBs in the league when pressured. That was mitigated in 2009 and 2010 by having an OL that gave up very few pressures, and can be mitigated again by improved RT play. But Sanchez, like every QB, will still face some pressure, and he needs to improve his terrible play in those situations.

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    [QUOTE=ozu;4384327]

    [B]Primary Need: Quarterback[/B]


    [/QUOTE]

    :eek:

    Hope Stokes doesn't read this thread.

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    [QUOTE=Play2Win;4384419]he rips Sanchez for having a poor accuracy and ypa while under pressure. hes entitled to his opinion. but then he the he says how hunter was terrible. does he not see the connection between two? hopefully fixing the rt will help.[/QUOTE]To an extent, but there are quite a few QBs in the league who faced way more pressure on the QB with significantly better results.

    It should be noted that last year, with the OL playing at a top 3 level, Sanchez had a completion percentage of 35.5% and a QB rating of 51.9 while under pressure. Maybe he just can't handle it.

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    primary need at QB? lol.. what is point of reading any further....

    I have a qb who had already beaten P.Manning and T.Brady on road in the playoffs.. now all of a sudden QB is primary need.

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    [QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4384432]:eek:

    Hope Stokes doesn't read this thread.[/QUOTE]

    Deek.

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    ... rt, olb, and s are the primary, secondary, and tertiary needs of this team ...











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    [QUOTE=ozu;4384445]

    To an extent, but there are quite a few QBs in the league who faced way more pressure on the QB with significantly better results.

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    Who?

    Just curious.

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    [QUOTE=JStokes;4384488]Who?

    Just curious.

    _[/QUOTE]


    Sacked
    [B]1. Alex Smith · SFO 44[/B]
    2. Tarvaris Jackson · SEA 42
    3. Blaine Gabbert · JAX 40
    [B]Ben Roethlisberger* · PIT 40[/B]
    5. Mark Sanchez · NYJ 39
    6. Sam Bradford · STL 36
    Matt Moore · MIA 36
    [B]Aaron Rodgers*+ · GNB 36[/B]
    [B]Tony Romo · DAL 36
    Matthew Stafford · DET 36[/B]

    They did OK. I dunno, the MVP had 3 fewer sacks than Sanchez.
    Last edited by ASG0531; 03-05-2012 at 12:30 PM.

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    [QUOTE=ASG0531;4384496]Sacked
    [B]1. Alex Smith · SFO 44[/B]
    2. Tarvaris Jackson · SEA 42
    3. Blaine Gabbert · JAX 40
    [B]Ben Roethlisberger* · PIT 40[/B]
    5. Mark Sanchez · NYJ 39
    6. Sam Bradford · STL 36
    Matt Moore · MIA 36
    [B]Aaron Rodgers*+ · GNB 36[/B]
    [B]Tony Romo · DAL 36
    Matthew Stafford · DET 36[/B]

    They did OK. I dunno, the MVP had 3 fewer sacks than Sanchez.[/QUOTE]

    Those are sacks. Is there a stat for "pressure"?

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    [QUOTE=PatsFanTX;4384432]:eek:

    Hope Stokes doesn't read this thread.[/QUOTE]

    That’s what I was thinking too.

    Surprised he didn't proclaim him to be a Sanchez hater and then give him the proverbial GFY.

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    [QUOTE=JStokes;4384488]Who?

    Just curious.

    _[/QUOTE]Despite Hunter being terrible, Sanchez had a relatively low percentage of dropback being pressured, along with a very high percentage of actually being sacked. When he was pressured he was horribly inaccurate.

    TA - Thrown Away
    HAT - Hit As Thrown

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    [QUOTE=Monsterxman;4384503]That’s what I was thinking too.

    Surprised he didn't proclaim him to be a Sanchez hater and then give him the proverbial GFY.[/QUOTE]

    Stop.

    Tex and I understand each other.

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